According 803.04 you have to re-throw after a foot fault. Will the re-throw count as your first or as your second shot (in case of a foot fault from the tee-box)?

As long as there have been no other foot faults called on that player during the round, the re-throw would be the player's first shot. If there has been a foot fault called on that player previously in the round, it's a one-throw penalty and the next shot would be the third.

This seems wrong, but I can't find clear wording on it.

We know from playing that the first throw is not counted on the first instance of a foot fault. It's basicaly a no-penalty re-throw. The first shot never happened.

The same should apply to the second instance of a foot fault, except that a penalty stroke is added.

The count of the first throw would really be as a practice throw because it did not change your lie. Except that it should have changed your lie and is being redone in accordance with the rules.

803.04(G)
Any throw that involves a validly called and seconded stance violation may not be used by the thrower. Re-throws must be taken from the original lie, prior to subsequent play by others in the group.



The wording for a stance violation is different from the wording for the penalties for OB, Mando, Lost disc, etc. in that the term re-throw is used. Compare to the lost disc penalty: "In all cases the original throw plus one penalty throw shall be counted in the player�s score."

Foot fault is a rethrow (original throw not counted) w/ a one throw penalty (excluding first violation). A foot fault is the only way that I can think of off-hand to card a circle 2.

Definitely not a practice throw by definition. If it was, there would be an instant penalty upon being called. See 803.01B.

First foot fault is a "freebie". Just re-throw and your first throw does not count. Second foot fault within a given round is penalized by requiring you to rethrow as well as count your foot-faulted throw. See 803.04F

A foot fault is the only way that I can think of off-hand to card a circle 2.


Uhhhhh....how about a birdie on a par-3 hole?

Just like how a 3 on a par-4 hole is a circle-3.

Dang regional differences... :p

The wording "re-Throw" stands out to me as well in 803.04 G and is only used elsewhere in 803.07 Interference, specifically <u>intentional interference</u>

If a shot is null in void as soon as a foot fault is called how can the throw be included in the penalty if it is the second time a player has been called for foot fault? It seems a validly called foot fault outside of 10 meters upon seconded would be, loss of initial throw and disc, and 1 throw penalty throwing from original lie, I don't see the connection to the throw being counted as well!

The original throw is not counted in the warning foot fault so why would it now apply to second foot fault? I see the 1-throw penalty addressing the mis-step, and now you re-throw without your first disc choice!

My assumptions may be wrong, and I would be happy to be corrected, however reading through the rules this is the way it seems it would be ruled without any interpretation.

Dang regional differences... :p



We started the sport so the way we score is the CORRECT way :D

"Triple circle 9" whoever heard of such a thing...
:D

We started the sport so the way we score is the CORRECT way :D


Dorks from Oregon started Disc Golf?!?!?! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
j/k :p

A foot fault is the only way that I can think of off-hand to card a circle 2.



:cool::p

So you are re-throwing shot one from the tee without penalty on the first warning, and re-throwing shot one with penalty in the case that you have already been warned ?

So you are re-throwing shot one from the tee without penalty on the first warning, and re-throwing shot one with penalty in the case that you have already been warned ?



That is how I read it, but in either case(warning or second foot fault) you can not retrieve the disc thrown that caused the foot fault before your re-throw, if you retrieve the disc it is another penalty stroke without warning in both cases, regardless of distance of throw.

Ex: Lets say you are teeing off on hole 14 West at Milo McIver State Park during the Beaver State Fling (see Beaver State Fling link in my signature, select courses link&gt;West... hover over tee pad 14W) and you foot fault off the front of the pad and hit the first tree on the left just off the tee pad and the disc flys behind you and lands on the ground by your bag. The foot fault gets seconded and it is your first time so it is a warning, you must immediately re-throw but you can not re-throw the disc that landed by your bag unless you want a one throw penalty. 803.04 H

hint: Notice basket in middle of picture for 14 west tee pad between two large trees with the river behind it and a significant elevation drop, a very cool hole to play!

Sorry about the shameless plug, but the tourney is just about full and I had good pictures for a good description :o

So I guess the overlying penalty is loss of intial choice of disc, which may not seem like a penalty to some but not everyone carries a spare of every disc in their bag and if they do they are probably at different stages of beat-in!