JerryChesterson
Dec 22 2009, 12:38 PM
Hasanyone run a series with a points system? If so, what system did you use?

johnbiscoe
Dec 22 2009, 01:15 PM
Old Dominion Disc Series:
10 events
you must play 5 to qualify, your best 8 count
1 point for playing, 1 point for each person you beat in division
event bonus points as follows:
1st= 7
2nd= 4
3rd= 3
4th=2
5th=1

davidsauls
Dec 22 2009, 05:17 PM
I don't run it, but.....

South Carolina points series gives 50 points for 1st, 45 for 2nd, 40, 36, 32, 29, 26, 24, 22.....

16 events, top 12 scores count

For better or worse, you get just as much winning a lightly-attended event as a big event. Don't know if this is fair or not, but it does give competitors incentive to play in some of the smaller tournaments rather than just stock up points in the biggest.

JerryChesterson
Dec 23 2009, 10:28 AM
Here is what I am thinking about doing ...


Points are awarded at qualifying events as follows:
• 75 points for 1st place in a division
• 50 points for 2nd place in a division
• 40 points for 3rd place in a division
• 30 points for 4th place in a division
• 25 points for 5th place in a division
• 20 points for 6th place in a division
• 15 points for 7th place in a division
• 10 points for 8th place in a division
• 5 points for 9th or 10th place in a division
• 5 points for every player in their division they beat
• 5 points for playing
• 50 points for an Ace during tournament play
• 15 points for leading a division after round

Points are awarded at the Series Finale as follows:
• 150 points for 1st place in a division
• 100 points for 2nd place in a division
• 80 points for 3rd place in a division
• 60 points for 4th place in a division
• 50 points for 5th place in a division
• 40 points for 6th place in a division
• 30 points for 7th place in a division
• 20 points for 8th place in a division
• 10 points for 9th or 10th place in a division
• 10 points for every player in their division they beat
• 10 points for playing
• 100 points for an Ace during tournament play
• 30 points for leading a division after round

Most points wins

davidsauls
Dec 23 2009, 12:00 PM
That'd keep in interesting down to the end. A contender could gain considerable ground in the last event if he won, led wire-to-wire, in a large field, and got an ace.

You could drop the points for playing, since you're getting plenty for everyone you beat, so only the last-place person gets nothing. and he's probably out of the running, anyway. It's a relatively small amount of the total score, and dropping it is one less figure to keep up with.

Martin_Bohn
Dec 23 2009, 01:43 PM
Here is what I am thinking about doing ...


Points are awarded at qualifying events as follows:
• 75 points for 1st place in a division
• 50 points for 2nd place in a division
• 40 points for 3rd place in a division
• 30 points for 4th place in a division
• 25 points for 5th place in a division
• 20 points for 6th place in a division
• 15 points for 7th place in a division
• 10 points for 8th place in a division
• 5 points for 9th or 10th place in a division
• 5 points for every player in their division they beat
• 5 points for playing
• 50 points for an Ace during tournament play
• 15 points for leading a division after round

Points are awarded at the Series Finale as follows:
• 150 points for 1st place in a division
• 100 points for 2nd place in a division
• 80 points for 3rd place in a division
• 60 points for 4th place in a division
• 50 points for 5th place in a division
• 40 points for 6th place in a division
• 30 points for 7th place in a division
• 20 points for 8th place in a division
• 10 points for 9th or 10th place in a division
• 10 points for every player in their division they beat
• 10 points for playing
• 100 points for an Ace during tournament play
• 30 points for leading a division after round

Most points wins

doubling the points for the last tournament is B. f-ing S.!!!! sorry for being a flamer about it but this is what happened to me.... you play every event, you are in first place by a slim to medium margin, you go to the finale and have ONE bad round and you end up not only losing the series but you slide down to like 5th or 6th place. putting emphasis on that one particular day disregards all the other good rounds prior to that day. this is not fair, it only causes bad feelings and resentment.....needless to say i will never enter a series with that set up again.

johnbiscoe
Dec 23 2009, 02:02 PM
doubling the points for the last tournament is B. f-ing S.!!!! sorry for being a flamer about it but this is what happened to me.... you play every event, you are in first place by a slim to medium margin, you go to the finale and have ONE bad round and you end up not only losing the series but you slide down to like 5th or 6th place. putting emphasis on that one particular day disregards all the other good rounds prior to that day. this is not fair, it only causes bad feelings and resentment.....needless to say i will never enter a series with that set up again.

if you knew from the outset that points were doubled for that event you've got no grounds for being upset. on the other hand if they sprung it on you after the whole thing had started you should be ******.

Martin_Bohn
Dec 23 2009, 02:31 PM
i did know about it and argued with them that it wasnt the best system to run. i was stonewalled, and what do you do when its the only game in town? you give it a shot and hope for the best. even if it had happened to another person i would have been angry about the outcome for that person. the bottom line is that there are better formulas you can use which is fair for everyone.

JerryChesterson
Dec 23 2009, 02:57 PM
doubling the points for the last tournament is B. f-ing S.!!!! sorry for being a flamer about it but this is what happened to me.... you play every event, you are in first place by a slim to medium margin, you go to the finale and have ONE bad round and you end up not only losing the series but you slide down to like 5th or 6th place. putting emphasis on that one particular day disregards all the other good rounds prior to that day. this is not fair, it only causes bad feelings and resentment.....needless to say i will never enter a series with that set up again.

Shouldn't the biggest and best tournament of the year be worth more? Also if one round was enough to derail you to 5th then you really didn't have that big of a lead in the first place. I think it says more that the competition was close. I am trying to avoid a situation where someone has the cash wrapped up going into the final. The final should be worth more, there are more and better players, winning it is much harder than winning a qualifier. Of course I don't know your specific situation so maybe it was different.

davidsauls
Dec 23 2009, 05:08 PM
Ask other TDs involved, but I suspect they'll approve of increasing points for the final event. I know I would.

It is, after all, a points series. What's at stake? Big Bucks? USDGC spot?

No matter how you do it---how many events required, how you distribute the points---someone's going to say you did it wrong.

johnbiscoe
Dec 23 2009, 08:22 PM
No matter how you do it---how many events required, how you distribute the points---someone's going to say you did it wrong.

agreed- as long as you state what you're doing beforehand and follow through with it people complaining is just sour grapes.

JerryChesterson
Dec 24 2009, 10:57 AM
Ask other TDs involved, but I suspect they'll approve of increasing points for the final event. I know I would.

It is, after all, a points series. What's at stake? Big Bucks? USDGC spot?

No matter how you do it---how many events required, how you distribute the points---someone's going to say you did it wrong.

This will the be the first year of it so at this point it will likely just be bucks (note not big bucks) at stake. There are 5 qualifiers, if we average 50 a tourney for 5 tourneys at $2 a pop that is $500, plus maybe 100 at the final which adds another $200. So you are looking at $700 on the line. Not too bad. Hopefully the end of the year tourney is big enough this year to make it a USDGC qualifier down the road.

davidsauls
Dec 28 2009, 05:18 PM
If that's one division, winner-take-all, that's enough money to argue about.

Just my two cents, but I was thinking in terms of the points series I'm familiar with, with 12-20 events involved. If you have 5 events and the last one is double points---the equivalent of half the other events---that's a huge weight in the finale. Might be a bit much for some people.