I've been given the OK to do some research to look for baskets to upgrade the local course. Money is certainly an object at this point...there is ZILCH for now, but there are some possibilities from local corporations etc.

I'm going to price new baskets, but I'm also looking for used matching sets.
Anyone know of a club/city/private course that's going to upgrade baskets and wants to sell the old?

Right now it's only 9 holes, but if money can be found, they might go for 18.
search the Course Directory for 63670, there's a website. You'll see the homemade baskets, which do help putting accuracy....but they're getting ugly and just aren't right. It's a good course, and I have plans for 18 that will have a little of everything.

Any help with used basket possibilities is appreciated.

steve

I know that the club price from Innova for DISCatchers is $270 per basket as long as its a club purchasing to donate to park.

As far as used sets, maybe someone knows of a course (and i hate to say this) that got yanked out of the ground.

You could then contact their Parks Dept. and work out a deal.

Ice Bowls typically make between $600 - $1200 per event and then give all that money away to charities. Most Ice Bowls I've read about automatically deduct up to $20 per entry fee and they also hold auctions and fundraising CTP throws and other things in that vein, claiming that giving tons of money to charity is "a good cause".

I'm sure that putting in a new course in KC would be viewed as an even better cause to most players in your area. I'd also be willing to wager that if local clubs or TD's held "Course Development" tournies instead of Ice Bowls, you'd have a full set of baskets in a mere 5 events. If you make them unsanctioned, then you maximize the earning potential by not paying the PDGA a few hundred dollars for a calendar listing.

As a player, I would readily attend an event in which the proceeds went toward a great new course in my area instead of some charity. I think your tournout would be great and you could have new baskets within the next 6 months max.

The key is to divert player investing away from outside charities and back into the sport. www.discgolfscene.com is a superior site for advertising and promoting your events.

Sarah - I respectfully disagree. I think the Ice Bowl charity tournaments are a great way to show civic leaders that disc golfers are community-minded, and not simply self-centered. If the disc golf movement is able to demonstrate that is supportive of good causes like food bank charities, that builds good will with local park administrators and politicians. Buying baskets is not the most difficult part of course development. The more difficult task is to get access to public land to put the baskets on.

I have been a park commissioner for the past eight years in my town. When we make decisions about how to spend money or allocate space we always look at the "citizenship" of the group asking for benefit from public resources. Groups that support local charities as part of their recreation activity are usually looked upon more favorably.

Yes, but Mr Eupher asked the question how to raise money for baskets on a course the city has already given over to disc golf. He is beyond the feel-good fuzzies required to GET the course. It seems logical to me that clubs schmoozle local government by subscribing to the image of 'disc golfers are wonderful citizens, look; they give to charities' until the city acquieses to allocating land for a course. Then you have the next, difficult step: how to raise the money required to update/outfit a new course. Then those fuzzy feel-goods are quite useless. A sound, money-raising tactical plan is required, yet the rizbee respectfully disagrees.

Well, what is your practical money-raising tactical plan? It concerns me that park commissioners such as yourself base your decisions on "Groups that support local charities as part of their recreation activity are usually looked upon more favorably." You do know that socialist liberals value this way of thinking over the great American concept of capitalism, right? If you want to figure out how to make money to build things, ask a capitalist. If you want to figure out how to make people think you are superior because you give away all material wealth to those who do not earn it, ask someone who runs Ice Bowls.

If Mr. Eupher has the land and needs new baskets, Course Development Events should replace Ice Bowls in his area until the new course is completed. Then the clubs can go back to running Ice Bowls to schmoozle local gov't into allocating more land.

Then those fuzzy feel-goods are quite useless.


NEWS FLASH - Sometimes people give to charities because they think its important to help people in need.

Sometimes people play in Ice Bowls to raise money to help people that need help.

While it may sometimes help, people DON'T play in and contribute to Ice Bowls to make their local club look better.

Sometimes people say forget helping the people in need. If disc golfers would only quit helping the people in need and instead put that money towards a new course the disc golf community would be better off.

Fortunately, sometimes people give to charities because the think its important to help people who need help.

I feel fortunate to be part of the Mile High Disc Golf club where we think its a worthy cause to run a huge Ice Bowl (>$75k donated in 5 years) to help people who need help. There are 51 other weeks each year to raise $$ for additional courses.

Or does the disc golf community need all 52 weeks for themselves?

NEWS FLASH: There is a club in Kansas City in need right now and they are asking for help. They need to figure out how to raise money to update their course, and i gave a very practical suggestion on how to do so. Are you really trying to shame Mr. Eupher into not following that gameplan because it might offend your socialist agenda?

NEWS FLASH!

ice bowl tds have socialist agendas! :eyesrolling:

as the esteemed jeffrey lagrassa likes to so frequently claim- "now we've hit another low"

According to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary...

Charity - Main Entry: char�i�ty
Pronunciation: \ˈcher-ə-tē, ˈcha-rə-\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural char�i�ties
Etymology: Middle English charite, from Anglo-French charit�, from Late Latin caritat-, caritas Christian love, from Latin, dearness, from carus dear; akin to Old Irish carae friend, Sanskrit kāma love
Date: 13th century
1 : benevolent goodwill toward or love of humanity
2 a : generosity and helpfulness especially toward the needy or suffering; also : aid given to those in need b : an institution engaged in relief of the poor c : public provision for the relief of the needy
3 a : a gift for public benevolent purposes b : an institution (as a hospital) founded by such a gift
4 : lenient judgment of others

***is not***

Socialism - Main Entry: so�cial�ism
Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1837
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done


I think it's a great idea to hold fundraiser events to collect money for buying baskets, tee pads, tee signs or other course improvements. In fact, I've done just that four times in the last 18 months in order to improve one local course and help pay for a second. But I also feel that raising funds for the hungry or homeless is a good thing for us to do, as disc golfers and as human beings. There's nothing socialist about that.

Helping the needy is "a socialist agenda'?

The scary part is I think you are actually serious.

i was being sarcastic. i've been an ice bowl td for 6 years now.

I recognized the sarcasm.

I was commenting on the first posting of the "socialist agenda" comment in the post above yours.

Good luck with your Ice Bowl this year.

Sara,
I'm not dealing with a KC course, just so you know that. I"m dealing with Ste Genevieve MO (see the zip code in the OP) which has a DG history going back almost 5 years now. All because of lil' ol' me. And I've been in KC until just recently. So, there's not a lot of casual support here. I'm working on that.

I agree that the Ice Bowl needs to be a charitable contribution for something other than course maintenance. The basis for it, from what I gather talking with Rick, was exactly as mentioned, to perform a civic charitble function while promoting the sport. A tournament, yes, and that's in the genesis phase. Still, I'm looking for baskets and funding for them, that's the basis.

I'm really asking if anyone has a line on 9 used baskets of the standard PDGA approved style, even if outdated as in 1 chain layer.

Great discussion though. Sarcasm could be better indicated with smiley...:p

steve

Ahem......we had over 400 players, and raised over $5000 for our local charity at the Kansas City Ice Bowl, and we did it all without a disc throwing tuba player (but the crowd was not happy!).

I would say that I used the ice bowl to reinforce the positive that we make in the community and then use that as leverage with the parks commission. It made sense at that time, and it makes sense daily. You have to have support locally, and what better way to get that support than helping out your community.

Steve, I think that running an event that is like a 50/50 raffle split is probably a good idea for entry to payout on the St. course (of course provided the players from IL can get to the Ferry on time......DOH!) You may also reach out to the guy north of you. Although not many have them, the Titan's are a fine basket, and Dave having that to add to the list of courses might be worth it. Of course you would want to stipluate that he can't alter the design, and you may also want to push the Parks board for 18 (19) baskets as a cheaper option.

Ice Bowls are not fundraising events for disc golf. They are disc golf events that are fund raisers. Everyone wins, and the more people that enjoy themselves, the bigger it gets.

Kansas City's Ice Bowl has gone from ~100 people and raising ~$1000/yr 10 years ago for charity to over 400 and now surpassing the $5000 mark this year. All without Corporate sponsorship.

Its disc golf, we work hard for every penny, and every avenue is explored. Steve try to see if the P&R will let you sell $200 tee signs on the course for the year, get a 5 year sign for $500, 50% off, then find 9 local businesses that will help for starters. Show up at a town hall meeting, and state, I have local businesses contributing $2000, I need $2000 more to complete a great cardio-age-friendly sport, you want to deny me?

Best of luck!

for a hockey fan, Jack, you make sense sometimes...

I have a lot of things to talk to the board about, so tee signs is going to be one. The city administrator has been asked to keep an eye out for grants for rec purposes, too, so that may be a source.

STill, if anyone has a line on used baskets...

hopefully see you at Kan U Dubs, Jack...thanks

steve

Alan, were the Borg Socialist?