What a great course this will be!!! We were only out there for a couple of hours of work but I cannot wait to see it completed and used. Gonna be a great place to take the OMB's down a notch or two, if we can keep them from swimming and leaving. :D

and if you guys thought Gary Duke did a great job before...check out the guy with a chainsaw :D

Saturday was full of help and alot of faces I have never seen. It is great to have all these different levels of players coming together to install a course that we can all use. What a piece of land!!!

First of all I would like to thank all of the people that have come out and donated their time to help and get this course in the ground. It was pretty amazing to look around Saturday and see that many people out there working. I would also like to point out the fact that the City of Cedar Hill has to be the best around, not only have they been more than willing to bring equipment out for us, but they also came out this weekend and put in around 100 man hours on the course..........talk about support :D.

We had a small work day yesterday (6 people) and got allot done in that time. Several of us will be back out tomorrow and Thursday around 11 if anyone has a few hours to give it would be greatly appreciated. I can't wait to get these courses finished and actually playable :cool:.

Jason - did you get your walkie talkie back?

How much will be left for next Saturday ?

Will the baskets be in by then ?

Maybe a half workday and a round for those that helped out ?

For anyone that has not seen the progress out at this land is in for a big suprise... Brian L and Jason have put in alot of time and effort into this project and it is all paying off. I was overwelmed with the effort that so many people have put in to get this thing done. The courses are going to be awsome!!! I didn't think we had enough tight golf hear in the metroplex until Z-Boaz came around and this is going to make Z-boaz look wide open in some parts... I am excited to get another world class course in the DFW area... Thanks to Brian, Jason and everyone else that had a hand in helping out...

How much will be left for next Saturday ?

Will the baskets be in by then ?

Maybe a half workday and a round for those that helped out ?



Gary, we had been planning this and you beat us to it. We are planning to work for a few hours and then play a cash-only mini. For those that work two hours prior to the start of the mini (around 2 or 3PM), entry will be half price. I'll try to get back today with the cost of it. Work has been a pain in the rear and really getting in the way of disc golf.

By the time we play on Saturday, there will be 18 baskets in the ground.

Brian

Boom Boom, I'm in :D

How's the budget going, do we need to put part of the entry toward a course fund ?

How's the budget going, do we need to put part of the entry toward a course fund ?



Yes. Part of the entry will go into the course fund for amenities.

Brian

woohoo, work saturday morning, whoop up on duke saturday afternoon :Dlife is sweet and then you get cedar hill.

How much will be left for next Saturday ?

Will the baskets be in by then ?

Maybe a half workday and a round for those that helped out ?



Gary, we had been planning this and you beat us to it. We are planning to work for a few hours and then play a cash-only mini. For those that work two hours prior to the start of the mini (around 2 or 3PM), entry will be half price. I'll try to get back today with the cost of it. Work has been a pain in the rear and really getting in the way of disc golf.

By the time we play on Saturday, there will be 18 baskets in the ground.

Brian



OK. I'm leaning towards $5 and $10 entries to the cash mini this weekend. $5 if you work for 2 hours and $10 if you don't. This way, the people that dont have time to help work the course can still help.

Brian

Here's the deal...........come out and donate a few hours of your time and you pay $5 for the mini (18 holes, but no guarantees that it will be the actual course layout), show up for the mini and pay $10. For everyone registered $5 will go to payout, if you did not work on the course and want to play............thanks for donating that extra $5 to the Cedar Hill course fund ;)

that's right 5 dollars to the course and the rest will be going to pinkie :D

What do you mean no guarantee that it will be the actual course lay out?

Why would you set up baskets that are not going to be the actual lay out?

:confused: :(

It just depends on what sleeves are set........I believe the whole front course has all of the sleeves in currently, but I'm not 100% positive. If not we have a choice of using a hole or 2 from the back course and it will still flow smoothly.

man already a controversy :D

No, just a question.

:D

Here's the deal...........come out and donate a few hours of your time and you pay $5 for the mini (18 holes, but no guarantees that it will be the actual course layout), show up for the mini and pay $10. For everyone registered $5 will go to payout, if you did not work on the course and want to play............thanks for donating that extra $5 to the Cedar Hill course fund ;)



Sweet! I hope i can make it out for the afternoon round. I'll have to ask Mrs.Hero :( I might even be able to talk "Sugar" into "coming out :D." That course kicked his A.S.S. on Aug.7th, so he might be hard tp convience.

It just depends on what sleeves are set........I believe the whole front course has all of the sleeves in currently, but I'm not 100% positive. If not we have a choice of using a hole or 2 from the back course and it will still flow smoothly.



At lease one sleeve is set for every hole on the front course. A few have alternates in place. Almost every hole on the back side has a sleeve set. Off hand I can think of only two holes that need the sleeves still.

We will plan on playing the front course tomorrow. This will give us three water shots, some tough natural fairways and a couple of nasty tree holes to deal with. :D

What time is best for everyone. 2 or 3 PM?

Brian

The earlier the better, Brian... 1:00 would even work - we show up at 8:00, work for 3-4 hours, go grab lunch, and then play an awesome round of DG at 1:00pm

And Murphy? Don't come following me in here, whining about starting at 8:00am on a Saturday, complaining about how yer hungover after a late night of poker and all... WAAAAHHH! :p :D

Ryan, no one but Jason or myself would ever be there by 8:00. We'll aim for a 2:00 start. Come out earlier and work off some of your entry.

Brian

I guess a 2:00pm start will have to work, what with all the mama's boys who have to sleep late. :eek: :D

What time are you planning on being there, Brian? Jason?

I just talked to Jason. He will be there by 9. I'll be there around 8:30 or so. The city will drop off our supplies between those two times.

See you out there.

Brian

He wanders out for one day and complains about the start time of the guys that are there all the time. :cool:

yea i already jumped on that on the std thread :D

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See y'all in the morning.

Don't worry about me Bam Bam...I showed up last week...not my fault I actually like to do something on Friday besides sit on my arse :p

Thanks for another update Brian...can't wait to see atleast one full 18 and take some shots at it.

Paging Ray Murray - if you come out there tomorrow please bring my disc you picked up in San Saba...Thanks!!

has it been wet or muddy out there since the rain?

that was a joke right :D

No, I haven't been out there for about a month. But I remember some low areas.

So do I need to bring my cleats?

let's see, rain thurs. and frid, dirt everywhere which my guess is mud by now = cleats. let me know if i can be of anymore assistance

no need to be a smart *****.

z-boaz was not muddy at all today with all that rain.

:p

just trying to be of service :D

first mini out there today. the course is great period. hey where are the scores at jason :Dfigured since it was the first mini out there you would post em :D

I tried to pay via titledisc but it wasn't on there :D...wish it would have worked out that we made it there, but I am sure we will see more and more of Cedar Hill.

Brian - how soon will this course be open for play all the time? Before the Big Show?

first mini out there today. the course is great period. hey where are the scores at jason :Dfigured since it was the first mini out there you would post em :D



Actually it was the 2nd mini out there. The 1st mini was singles, on a slightly different layout, and it was run during World's on Aug.7th.

Yesterday we did draw doubles. My-Hero and Shawn Cobb tied with D.Jowers and M.Hazeltine with a -9 for 1st place. MARY McGOUGH and Rob Canadian shot -8 for 3rd.

Rob C. is one of the best doubles golfers in the metroplex. (except when he goes to San Saba) :o:D

Was that supposed to be a complement?

The course turned out **** good a little bit easier than was described, but the second course looks like par is going to be a good score.

Any idea when the baskets are going in on the second course?


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Brian I was on my way Saturday when I did not get ahold of you I turned around and played the mini at Crowley! Sorry for the mix up. I am availible all week to help if anyone will be out there.

I just want to say THANK YOU to the 20 people that showed up and worked Saturday, the 27 people that played :cool:and tell all of you about a little situation that unfolded in front of me today (which I still cannot believe happened :confused:).

When I pulled into the gate this morning Brian was right inside of the gate looking at a few holes and the City was there dropping of golf carts for us to use. We just put in 18 baskets yesterday and Brian was excited about the fact that we already had people out to play the course, he mentioned the fact that one of them (I won't mention the name........I have respect for the guy and really don't want to trash him, but by the time I finish this story you'll see why I'm upset with him) was a local TD in the area that I knew so I went to say hello. We talked some and he asked if alchohol was legal in the park, I told him it wasn't so keep it out of sight and have fun. My day, at this point, looked great :D. Brian and I went out and started getting distances on the holes, Mace showed up and went to work on all of the low hanging branches with a pole saw, and I was very happy to see 18 baskets at Lorch Park :D. About an hour an half later Mace pulls up in one of the carts with said person (I'll call him Herman to make this easier) to tell us Herman has locked his keys in his car and needs to run home to get his spare, so please don't lock the gate..........not a problem.

This is where things started going south in a hurry .

Brian and I finished measuring holes, Mace knocked out a bunch of trimming and we all talked for a bit in the parking lot before Mace left (we won't talk about me almost killing Brian and I in the Gator ;)). Brian and I were waiting for Herman to come back out and retrieve his ride when the City showed up to pick up the carts, as we're helping to get the carts on the trailer a truck starts coming down the drive.............thought it was Herman coming back.................NO.........worse (but only at this point). The parking lot out there isn't barricaded yet so you can just drive straight into the park, which is why we still have to lock the gate. This guy is trying to head straight out into the park :mad:so I stop him and ask if I can help him, (keep in mind a City employee is right there with us) he says "Is this where the Disc Golf course is?", I say yes and he says he just wanted to check it out, so is it OK if he drives out there :eek:..............This got a quick NO..........he persisted so Brian told him that the course wasn't actually open yet and he left. Now at this point I thought the day couldn't possibly get worse. I mean we just had a guy try to drive right into the park in front of one of the City employees, that was obviously a Disc Golfer.........how much more could go wrong??????????????


Right after this the City is about to leave and asks about the other car that's left, Brian informs him that it's a golfer who locked his keys in his car and he should be back shortly. The City guy wanted to make sure he could get into his car and make it out without getting stuck, so he stayed.






This is where everything goes REALLY wrong :mad:.

Herman and his buddies pull up...........Herman gets out of the back seat and almost falls due to his drunk state, then can't get his key into the door lock..................in the meantime Herman's buddy has gotten out of the driver's seat and proceeded to start urinating in the middle of a wide open field (I'm in my car trying to warm up watching all of this unfold..........poor Brian is standing with the City employee, who's watching all of this), Herman gets his car unlocked...........finds his cooler and comes out with three beers............he keeps one, sets the other in the driver's seat of his buddies car (who's still pissing in front of God and everybody) and then tries to give the other to the City Employee :confused: :mad:.






I still cannot believe the last 30 minutes out there today............Thanks to a few [*****] Brian and I had a hard time enjoying the first 24 hours of this course being in the ground.

I was so shocked as all of this was going on (as was Brian) that I still don't know what to say...........I had 2 million things to say as it was happening and couldn't get them out of my mouth. The sad thing is I really don't think anything I said could have done any good in this situation :(.

What a day.

Thanks to everyone that has helped get this going all along the way. I really do appreciate it.

Reminder (for everyone's sake but directed to "Herman" and friends..), alcohol is not permitted in this nature preserve. Please exercise caution when you see a city employee standing there. Also, I'm sure it comes as no surprise to anyone that people do relieve themselves in the woods. Please do actually go into the woods to do this, again, especially when you see a city employee standing there. These are the types of actions that cause damage in to us in the minds of the city and county.

"Herman" - in case you feel that any information provided here is not an accurate description of yesterdays events, you are free to call me for a reminder.

To everyone else, the remainder of the baskets should all be in the ground by Saturday afternoon. I'd like to run another draw doubles at 3:00 PM on the other 18. Same format as this last Saturday. Come and help for a few hours and pay $5. Show up to play and pay $10.

Thanks again to everyone helping to keep this a positive experience for the city and county.

Brian

I kept telling you to not let Toolen know where the park was, but you wouldn't listen!!! :eek: J/K Terry...you know that I love you.
Well it didn't take long for the A/H's to try and trash a good thing. I think that we need to start policeing ourselfs in order for things like this to not happen again.
BTW, The course that we played on Saturday is great! Can't wait for the back course to be finished.

willy couldn't of said it better. police ourselves, sometimes peer pressure can be amazing.

I'm sure everyone already knows this, but it bears repeating... alcohol is not the only thing that is not permitted in the park.

Which park, you ask? ANY PARK

At Brian Lamoreaux's request, I have edited the remainder of this post out, which unfortunately, renders it effectively pointless. Sad...

Look guys (and gals), you know what you should and shouldn't do on the course, so just don't do it. Stop taking something as beautiful as Lorch Park, or any other park for that matter, and turning them into a negative thing.

Shame on you "Herman!" You know better!!!!!

The way the story started I thought Jason was going to say that a basket or two, or NINE came up missing. I was about to go ApeSh1t!

That is exactly what I was thinking too. phew!

let's be carefull what we post on this thread. i wouldn't be surprised if people at the at the city look on here a time or two. checking on comments about the course they have invested in.

let's be carefull what we post on this thread. i wouldn't be surprised if people at the at the city look on here a time or two. checking on comments about the course they have invested in.



My thoughts exactly. They know about PDGA.com.

Exactly what I was thinking. Why else would anyone want to drive a truck out on the course when there is a visible parking lot. Did anyone happen to note the liscence plate, just for safe measures?

I'm gonna try to make it out this Saturday, weather permitting.

let's be carefull what we post on this thread. i wouldn't be surprised if people at the at the city look on here a time or two. checking on comments about the course they have invested in.

I have a better idea... let's not be doing anything out at the park that the city would become concerned about, in the first place. Then, we wouldn't have to worry about what we posted in here, right?

I have a better idea... let's not be doing anything out at the park that the city would become concerned about, in the first place. Then, we wouldn't have to worry about what we posted in here, right?



::sarcasm on::

That makes too much sense.

Glad to see the course broken in so quickly.

::sarcasm off::

This also goes back to the basic argument. Is it better to ignore it and hope no one notices, or bring attention to it and hope it disappears.

It's posted about because there are those offended enough by the activity to think it deserves more attention. It is not considered acceptable by a growing number of players even at the least organized of events.

i'm not disputing you or bam bam, just thinking maybe this particular thread let's be careful. maybe something should have been said at the mini where you have everyones attention.

That's a seemingly good idea, Frank, except that talking sense to someone who is "feeling groovy" at the moment is wasted effort.

It's simple. If it's illegal, it's not welcome in Cedar Hill.

Brian

How about singles after the work this saturday?

:)

I took some pictures yesterday at Cedar Hill. I dont know how to post them. If anyone knows how to post pictures on this thread I will email them to you so you can do so!

There are idiots in every bunch. Let's hope they know that and remember that... If you don't know any idiots, worry.....

ce

Send them to [email protected] I'll try to get them up tonight.

There are idiots in every bunch. Let's hope they know that and remember that... If you don't know any idiots, worry.....

ce




LOL!!!! nice one :D

Since I will be out defending the Nation* this weekend ;) someone has to throw a disc in the pond for me :D(not one of mine, one of your own. Nothing special, just something to keep my Roc company)

3 more drills and y'all will never get a break from me.
Enjoy the new course! Some of that blood dripping off the vines out there is mine!

*At least I am doin' my share to keep the drunks off the course this weekend :o

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How far are those carrys over the water?

I'm not sure, didn't have a measuring device. Brian should know.

Hole 8 is the longest tee to green, but the bailout is there all along the left. My guess is about 350' to the pin, about 250' straight line across the water, but you can play the hole completely over dry land.

Hole 9 is about 200', it's just intimidating.

Hole 17 is probably less than 300' to the basket, just over 200' to clear the water.

Anyone with accurate measurements please correct these estimates.

Here are the measurements for those holes as found with a laser range finder.

Hole 8 - Pad to basket was right at 299' to 300'. It plays a little longer than that. I wonder if the laser range finder hit the trees in front of the basket. I'm going to measure that hole again. Either hit the hole through the trees or go around, over the water.

Hole 9 - Pad to basket is 195' to the short. 312' to the long. The picture shows the short basket. If you look behind the basket to the right, you can kind of see the clearing for the long pin. There is a bail-out route if you need to use it.

Hole 17 - Pad to basket is 248'. The long pin is 339' straight up the hill from the short pin. Again, if you can't make that throw, you can stay to the right all the way around the pond.

Brian

Thumber, thumber, thumber.... :)

Thanks guys.

Brian (and others), great job getting this done. Those look great. I assume the trees will "green out" come Spring?

Thumber, thumber, thumber

Chicken, chicken, chicken :D

Actually, once you see the holes in person, Bender, you'll figure out that you don't need to go over the top on them... the three water holes pictured are actually some of the easier holes on the course.

I assume the trees will "green out" come Spring?




Sure......if that's what you want to call it. Like i've said before, i've had to CRAWL to lies out there.

"Green out"......more like "Becomes JAIL." :D

Enjoy it!

I think I remember seeing you do that last year on what is now hole 10 (I think) on the "Beaver" course. Into the shule on the left side... had to lay streched-out on your stomach to throw a two-finger down the fairway. Must have taken at least two minutes to get to your disc.

What memories of the course already, eh? :D

I think I remember seeing you do that last year on what is now hole 10 (I think) on the "Beaver" course. Into the shule on the left side... had to lay streched-out on your stomach to throw a two-finger down the fairway. Must have taken at least two minutes to get to your disc.

What memories of the course already, eh? :D



Ah.....yes.....that was me. Thanks for the memories. I still have a few poison ivy scars on my big belly from that exact moment! :D

Yes... a very good reminder that the ONLY place to be on that course is in the fairway. :D

Brian, I am curious about cement tees already installed? I plan to practice there after this weekend. Looking forward to this new courses! :D

I can answer this one for ya, Brian.

No, there are no concrete teepads at Cedar Hill, yet. Brian is wanting the course to be played several months first, and then with input from players, he will decide on the best locations for permanent teepads.

So Brian, how'd I do? :D

Joey, they will not have tee pads installed until around October... They will probably tweek the holes and move some of the tee pads before it is all said in done. They want to wait to put in concrete until they are for sure about placements...

Is the course open for casual play?

yea...saturday after you work for a few hours. :D

I meant during the week. My Saturdays are kinda sketchy most of the time.

I'm sure that the front 18 is open for play right now.

I think the second 18 is going in this sat.

The baskets might be in the ground, but the gate has to remain locked when the crew is not working. At least until the parks dept gets something around the parking lot and road to keep vehicles off the course.

I hope Dixon knew that before he went out there today.

We were under the impresion that it was open to casual play.

I guess you could park outside the gate, being that the course is right there.

:eek:

That is acceptable. From what I understand, the park is open to foot traffic as is, just not to vehicular traffic until there is some kind of barrier around the parking lot.

Are they going to put a gate in at the bottom of the road?

Seems that they would need to do somthing like that so that they, Brian, could get back there to work on the course.

Ryan and Pepper are correct. The pads will not be installed for several months yet. I want to make sure they go exactly were we need and want them.

Joey, the front 18 is in. All baskets and each tee is marked with stakes. This Saturday I will be writing the hole number and distance on each set of stakes on the box.

The city is stalling me on our discussions regarding the gate and fencing around the parking lot. It seems the idea we all liked is now not a good one. Our plan was to use telephone pole and cable method like at Lake Lewisville. Well, it seems that someone recently, like within the last two months, got themselves decapitated on one of those and now we can't do that. A new plan has to be finalized. Until then, the gate up top will be closed unless I or the city open it. People can park by the gate or a little farther down the road at the "official" Lester Lorch Preserve parking lot that they built last year. Some how I will get this worked out with the city. I hope this is why they want to talk to me. I have been summond to the parks offices later next week for a meeting with a couple of the big boys and girls. At least I hope it is this and not anything else.

This Saturday we need help installing the remaining baskets, tweaking some of the growth on a couple of fairways and digging and setting two final sleeves for Macemans event.

Who is up for the final work day? :D

Huge thanks to everyone that has helped so far. It really does mean a great deal to me.

Brian

Alright, I'm home sick and going back watching Dawn of the Dead. It's actually a pretty decent movie.

You should check out Shaun of the Dead too. It is hilarious after you watch Dawn.

I am going to make this one if I have to stay the night at the park to be there! Lately something always comes up to keep me away! I will also be there for the mini. Any tool you need me to bring in particular? Let me know I also have a kayak if you need to get in the pond to do some work.

Morbid curiosity.

How do you manage to get decapitated on a cable 18"s off the ground?

Driving under the wire in a vet!

Thanks, Gary, I was wondering that too, but was afraid to ask. I guess it could have been a toddler, or perhaps someone on one of those new micro mini bikes that are illegal everywhere for that very reason, or perhaps a go-cart. I do know that when you are out after dark and run into those wires, they can cut the skin pretty bad. Don's had that happen at Lewisville.

They were probably trying to do the limbo.

Did a couple of internet searches, can't even find a hoax site with that kind of story.

Just a thought not a fact!

Herman is a pritty good guy. Maybe one of Hermans legs had gone to sleep while being cramped in the back seat of the car he was in.Maybe that is why he fell.If you don't know for a fact that Herman was drunk then you shouldn't post thigs like this. SLANDER CAN BE A NASTY THING.

i was at lake lewisville one time with ty sadler. he was sitting on one of the post by hole 8 when someone backed over the cable then pulled forward. ty didn't see it but when that cable snapped and came zinging by his head, trust me if it had made contact with any part of his body,that part would have been removed. the guy never even stopped. so it can happen.

i think jason knows a drunk when he sees one. no slander involved here when he's relaying an observation with no names.

I think that the urination in front of a group of city officials says it all no matter who we are talking about.

If he/she was offended by what Jason posted then he/she should defend themselves and their actions.

and someone urinating in front of the people that are allowing us to have this course :mad:

Just treat the place like the amazing piece of disc golf land it is, and remember that we are going to mostly be the only people out there.

Accountability to all the golfers out there will be important..Teach the newbies where the trash cans are, keep the cig. butts in your bag and tread lightly.

Sad to hear a bizzarre cable accident in our society messed up putting up a simple barrier...but they have to use the CYA method..

I vote for a mote Brian...with boat passage only or maybe Himing could loan us his helicopter or jet ( see old tx10 threads) :D

Keep it up gang...this is DFW's newest GEM!!!

if we haven't lost it already guess brian can let us know after the meeting.

SLANDER CAN BE A NASTY THING.

True, anonymous poster... slander can be a "pritty" nasty thing, indeed. But I didn't hear anything being said about "Herman" that could be injurious to his reputation, did you?

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, to be sure... please just try to make it a fairly educated one from now on, k?

Herman is a pritty good guy. Maybe one of Hermans legs had gone to sleep while being cramped in the back seat of the car he was in.Maybe that is why he fell.If you don't know for a fact that Herman was drunk then you shouldn't post thigs like this. SLANDER CAN BE A NASTY THING.



Okay gutless goat sucker. Lets get one thing straight that nobody else pointed out yet. SLANDER is spoken words. Libel is the term you are looking for. Get some them der learnin for you be talkin dat crap.

I am sure there is a guy named Herman with a bum leg out there somewhere and his feelings are probably hurt real bad. LOL!

Herman is a pritty good guy. Maybe one of Hermans legs had gone to sleep while being cramped in the back seat of the car he was in.Maybe that is why he fell.If you don't know for a fact that Herman was drunk then you shouldn't post thigs like this. SLANDER CAN BE A NASTY THING.



Rasta Mon, whoever you are, were you there that day? Can you defend offering the parks employee a beer while dropping one in the seat of the driver as he was relieving himself in front of us all?

And at least when I make a comment on something, people know who I am and how to contact me, unlike some people out here.

Anyway, I�m trying to forget about this and move on. I�d like to a see a great couple of courses put in, for everyone that knows how to behave, to be able to use.

Brian

so brian what's going on tom. work and a mini ?

Brian what kind of tools are we needing to bring to the work day?

I'll be out there bright and early with Jason... I have a date with a couple of trees :DGiggler and Doug Hubbard will be there pretty early to help out as well...

Go easy on those trees, Pepper... you were getting a little carried away with them last weekend. :D

Hey, nobody really needs trees in the fairway as long as there are plenty in the rough.

That's no joke.

I think pepper gets off on whacking those trees down.

:D

Hey, nobody really needs trees in the fairway as long as there are plenty in the rough.


There are no trees in fairways. The trees just give you an option to use the right fairway, left fairway, or center fairway :D I say leave the trees so undecided people don't feel obliged to always go down the middle.

I don't think there is going to be anymore major clearing, I only have two trees in mind that have been bugging me since I first set eyes on them... I now have permission to take them out :Dso timber :DI think we may be clearing a few tee boxes a little back and just basic trimming up. I can't wait to play the back 18...

As far as Herman goes........like I stated the first time, I like the guy and that is why I posted the whole incident the way I did. If he wasn't intoxicated (sorry forgot my breathalyzer that day ), then I apoligize for coming to that conclusion from what I was seeing. That being stated we will definately have to say that him and his buddy definately did not use good judgement that day. Someone stated last night that I drink out there also and that is a fact, but I try to do so discreetly when the City is around. So go ahead and try to throw me under the bus.......it isn't the first time and won't be the last. Everyone who knows me can attest to the fact that I really don' care to win a popularity contest :D. I'll say what is on my mind and if you have a problem with it let me know so we can discuss it. I'm usually pretty reasonable ;).


As far as tools go bring GLOVES, pole saws and loppers.



As far as the Pepper trees go..................we'll look at it yet again when we get there :cool:.

Guess what? All 36 baskets are in the ground! :cool:

Tee pads are marked with stakes and/or marking paint for now.

Still no updates on the parking situation so for now, either park outside of the gate (without blocking it) or use the other parking area just to the East of this entrance and follow the trail down to the pond and start there. I am still working on this with the city.

I can�t begin to thank everyone for all they have done to help get this in the ground in time for Brian Mace�s Big Show next weekend. Without the help, it obviously would never have been done.

After this weekend, I plan on taking a short vacation from clearing and digging (and thinking in general), in another month or two I will start looking at what needs to be changed and focusing more on the exact pad locations and possible alternate pins placements. Keep that in mind while playing this weekend, the design is not final. It is however the most we could do and ensure it was ready for play.

Anyway, again, thank you to everyone that helped.

Regards,
Brian

That second course is awesome, but I would not trust all of the distances on the posts.

Lets hope that the sun comes out this week and dries up those 4 holes on the front 18.

Can we level out that tee pad on hole #6. I've seen just about everybody almost do a face plant on that tee pad.

Awesome course Bro.....Can't wait for the alternate Tee Pads. After those are in, Cedar Hills Course will be one of the TOP courses in Texas....

JD

just keep your gateway opinions to yourself! :DCongrats!

Cedar Hill really is a special place. I must agree with Mr. Gateway, it will be one of Northern Mexico's finest Disc Golf epicenters.

Lol...Thanks bro.. U ROCK.....

I don't know what to do with myself now :p I have 5 top notch courses with in 20 min of my house now with Vet, Z-Boaz, Crowley, and now 2 at Cedar Hill....BOOOM.... :DBoth of the courses out at Cedar Hill are awsome. I can't wait to see some of those fairways in the spring when they start to fill out...

That second course is awesome, but I would not trust all of the distances on the posts.

Can we level out that tee pad on hole #6. I've seen just about everybody almost do a face plant on that tee pad.



Just so everyone knows. The distances were gathered by using a rolling distance counter. The distances were not always measured in a straight line due to the geography of the course. So I will call those distances "unofficial" for know. Eventually, when the real tee signs are ready to be dropped, we will ensure the distances are completely accurate. For now, they should work as a decent tool to assist you.

Ah, hole 6 on the front course, I dont like it either. There will be a slight change to that hole on Saturday. For now, the stakes will stay were they are to avoid potential damage to the new spot before the tournament. Just be careful on that pad for now. This will not be a problem once the pads can go down.

JD - I enjoyed playing that doubles round on your card. Gateway is lucky to have you. Congratulations again!

Brian

I took vacation day on Friday and ventured out of Lewisville and over to Cedar Hill to play the first 18. I was impressed with the course and can�t wait to play the 2nd 18. The county parks inspector (I think that is how she introduced herself) was out there on an inspection and she seemed very enthusiastic about the project. She asked that we (another guy that got their right before me) call her after we played the course and give a review. She followed that up saying that if all went well, there were a few other courses that might be going in the ground but I can�t remember what the locations where. Jeff, don�t know his last name, left her a nice v-mail after the round. My only complaint for the day would have been the drainage issues. The holes in the low lying area around the parking lot catch all the run-off from the hills and leave a pretty muddy situation. Other than that it was great. Those over the water shots are a blast. I parked my drive on hole 8 just beyond the two v�d trees, short and to the right of the basket. Felt great.

I finished 7 over, but was pleased since I�ve only been playing for 3 months now and it was a new course for me. The best tip for anybody who hasn�t played it��stay well within in the fairway. I predict a lot of lost discs once the foliage starts coming into season. That junk is thick. :D

Thank you to everyone that helped make the courses possible. I enjoyed myself and I�m looking forward to playing the 2nd course. I do see these two courses getting even better as more tweaking is done. I also see them getting a lot of respect in the DG community

I took vacation day on Friday and ventured out of Lewisville and over to Cedar Hill to play the first 18. I was impressed with the course and can�t wait to play the 2nd 18. The county parks inspector (I think that is how she introduced herself) was out there on an inspection and she seemed very enthusiastic about the project. She asked that we (another guy that got their right before me) call her after we played the course and give a review. She followed that up saying that if all went well, there were a few other courses that might be going in the ground but I can�t remember what the locations where. Jeff, don�t know his last name, left her a nice v-mail after the round. My only complaint for the day would have been the drainage issues. The holes in the low lying area around the parking lot catch all the run-off from the hills and leave a pretty muddy situation. Other than that it was great. Those over the water shots are a blast. I parked my drive on hole 8 just beyond the two v�d trees, short and to the right of the basket. Felt great.

I finished 7 over, but was pleased since I�ve only been playing for 3 months now and it was a new course for me. The best tip for anybody who hasn�t played it��stay well within in the fairway. I predict a lot of lost discs once the foliage starts coming into season. That junk is thick. :D

Thank you to everyone that helped make the courses possible. I enjoyed myself and I�m looking forward to playing the 2nd course. I do see these two courses getting even better as more tweaking is done. I also see them getting a lot of respect in the DG community



Glad you got to enjoy the course. The other 18 baskets are in and ready to play.

You brought up a couple of things that I�ll try to cover here real quickly.

The person you met was Mary. She is the Park and Open Space Administrator to the Commissioners Court of Dallas County. Simply put, she is the person we need to impress in Dallas to ensure more good things happen. Mary reports directly to the court (read John Wiley Price) where they then decide what is, and is not, possible. Mary has told me the John Wiley Price and the Commissioners Court are happy with what we have done in Cedar Hill so far. The potential for a few additional courses in Dallas County is very real. In fact, I have been to a couple of locations with her to discuss these possibilities already. Now does everyone understand why I didn�t want to rock the boat to much on this first course? We, as a golfing community, had more riding on it than just this one location.

The other point you brought up was the drainage on holes 5, 6, 7 and 12. It can be bad, especially after a few days of rain like we had last week. A resolution will be difficult here. The reason for it is good and bad at the same time. This is a Nature Preserve. That is why this property is so incredible. To combat the drainage issue would involve putting in artificial devices to deflect the water to a different route. At this time, that is not allowed, however, when this all started, disc golf baskets and tee pads were not allowed either. Given some time, I think we will be able to work something out. I hope four holes with some water don�t keep people from playing the entire 36 hole course.

By the way, that junk is really thick when you are trying to cut fairways, tee pads and trails�.

Brian

Thanks for all of the good comments from everyone. You can't imagine how excited Brian and I were to see people actually out playing on these courses we worked so hard on :D.

I understand that the wet conditions on a few holes really sucks. Cedar Hill got a record 13" of rainfall in 1 day last year and that area just hasn't been able to recover yet. I'm positive once it warms up and we get a dry spell that area will get back to normal. Rest assured that Brian and I are working with the city on some ways to improve the drainage there, it just may take a little time to implement whatever solution we come up with.

As far as the courses go......they are just going to get better over time. As ColecatZ stated the shule out there is VERY thick. The first time you get off the fairway and have to climb in there try to imagine taking out a patch of it 250' long and 40' wide and you'll see why allot of the holes are short on the back course (DO Not give me a map and a marker ever again Brian ;)), it took 10 people 2 six hour days to accomplish this :eek:. For now most of the course will be playing either to the short pin placement or from the short pad, that's why there is a long walk between some of the holes now. Enjoy it how it is now and look forward to what it will be in the future :D.

I want to give a huge thanks to all of the people that came out and donated some of their valuable time to help us out, these courses would not be in the ground if it wasn't for you guys :cool:.

I hope I didn't let the cat out of the bag on the other possible courses.

Thanks again for all the hard work, everybody.

Good news, I am playing this weekend at Cedar Hill. Had to switch for the weekend of Z-boaz, but I already have three people that will "maybee" work for me then... I really want to play both but the mighty Z kicks my *ss. I still have a good chance of playing both, I am keeping my fingers crossed :D

good luck Pepper. you making it down for worlds or state DUBS?

a couple of quick comments:

- a big THANK YOU to everyone that made these courses become a reality. especially brian and jason.

- i only have been able to play the back course...very tight...but i can tell these courses are going to be incredible, and cedar hill seems poised to become the flagship of disc golf in north texas.

- about the drainage issues around the parking lot holes...has anyone actually seen this area dry? it seems to me that the springs in the hillsides might be responsible for the continued wetness in the area. unless the water table goes down i dont know if the area will ever dry completely. i'm no hyrdrologist or anything, so i could be completely full of it...

For the 1st 3 or 4 months that Brian and I walked the park that area was bone dry , it has only been that wet since that unreal day of rain last year. We need some warm weather and a 2 month dry spell :(.

It could take a long time for all of that water to drain out of those rocks.

Hey Brian are you still coming out this weekend for the tournement? It looks like rain, just the edge I need!

Cantrell and I are planning on making both right now. Hopefully things don't change...

I just took a "lunch break" and played the back 18! The city is out there cleaning out the spillway up by the road and the water has gone down about 10' from the turtle. It has also dryed up a bit out there! Cant wait till the big show this weekend!

Went out there with Clayton, Andy and Big Hand. We played doubles on the front course. I am loving it out there!

I will be out there first thing in the morning on Friday finishing up on some last minute stuff. If anyone can lend a little time to help spread some mulch I would greatly appreciate it. Then I�m game to play for a while.

Did anyone notice the 80 feet of water-channeling yard edging I put down on hole 6? 20 feet around the basket and 60 feet to protect the area that will be the tee pad this weekend. I hope it helps even a little. I was out there after dark on Tuesday doing that while a raccoon about 30 feet up was pegging me with nuts and stuff.

Please do not block the gate when you come out to play casual rounds. The city called me Tuesday afternoon to give me a hard time because they couldn�t get in the gate to retrieve their trailer in the bottom parking lot. Then I got there and had to carry a bunch of stuff down the hill to work on those water areas. Imagine carrying 80 feet of edging, a shovel and some other hand tools down and then up that hill. It�s OK to park by the gate, just don�t block it. Thanks!

Oh, in case Brian Mace hasn�t mentioned it yet, a friend of mine owns a Pinera Bread restaurant. He will be out there in the mornings taking pre-orders for lunch and then delivering them in between rounds. Take advantage of this and you won�t have to drive back up into town for lunch. :D

Brian

Sorry Brian, wish I could make it but have to work... See you Saturday morning :D

Sorry Brian, wish I could make it but have to work... See you Saturday morning :D



Thats what everybody is saying..... I see how it is :DJ/K

It's all good. You've put in plenty of time. Now you can just play it and enjoy. Thanks for all of your help so far.

Brian

Brian what time will doubles be teeing off???

I haven't put in near enough work compared to Jason and yourself. Just let me know when you guys start working again after the Big Show, and I will be there... I can't wait to play this weekend, should be interesting to see what some of the scores will be like in singles with all of the doubles we have been playing...

Mace will be out for doubles around 2, flex start until around 4:30.

And Pepper don't worry, your chainsaw did more work than any of us :D.

brian what time will you be there tom. i think i can help

I have some stuff on you Mr. Lamoreaux.....but i'll be quiet....that neck hold kind of hurt. :DSome of us are thinking of playing Cedar Hill this saturday instead of making the trek to Waco....interested in joining, or are you headed south?

played there is weekend, both days, the courses are looking great, the city had just mowed..

Lots of vehicles parked along the fence Saturday.

i parked right next to a dead skunk on sunday :confused:

Who told you about it ?

I know you wouldn't notice it on your own. :cool:

LMAO,, hey frank i think dukie said you stink.. :o

I played out there on Sunday too. I was the orange 350z parked with all the cars along the fence. The skunk was an added bonus.

The courses were awesome and while it was my 2nd trip around the first 18, it was my 1st time on the back 18. Deffinatly some tight shots, but hella-fun none the less. My buddy made the comment that if you can get good out there at Cedar Hill, you will play well anywhere.... I have to agree.

Awesome time on the courses. :cool:

Looks like that skunk is getting good and ripe!! KellyBob and I were out there today and the flies were all over that poor skunk. Courses looked very good...ran into the Netzels (sp?)
out there with their baby girl.
On our way back to number 17 on the front course we noticed a couple of young guys pull up to the lake with a canoe in their pickup....we talked to them about the fishing and then left to play the last couple of holes. It was not until we got back to number 2 on the front course that we noticed that the gate was still closed! How they got in with the pickup is still a mystery to me. :cool:

It was not until we got back to number 2 on the front course that we noticed that the gate was still closed!



Is the gate locked on the weekends? and do you need to enter the course from the 1st entrance? and if so...where the heck is the course from there besides West :p enough questions :confused:

You park between the road and the fence at the second entrance.

You start on hole 2 of the Beaver course, play through hole 16 then switch over to hole 1 of the Coyote course. After you play all 18, you pick up the Beaver again at 17 and play through 1. This puts you back at the second gate.

so you want to make sure you have your water and smokes loaded up.

you got that right,, took us 5 hours to play all 36 the other day, now that was around of disc golf..... :D

Where's Lamoreaux? I think i got him in trouble with his significant other........ :o :o :D

Where's Lamoreaux? I think i got him in trouble with his significant other........ :o :o :D



Would that be my wife, or in your dirty little mind, Barry?

What ever John tries to tell anyone regarding the ZBOAZ Skins round at the Big Show last weekend is a lie! :eek:

No Waco for me. Cedar Hill it will be!

Brian

i parked right next to a dead skunk on sunday :confused:



Frank, he was alive when I saw him. What did you do to him? :D

Would that be my wife, or in your dirty little mind, Barry?



Actually, i was talking about your wife. My mind is clear and free of smut, but if you really desire HIM, i'll be happy to give HIM a call on your behalf. :p




What ever John tries to tell anyone regarding the ZBOAZ Skins round at the Big Show last weekend is a lie!




You can't get out of this one. There were far too many peolpe that saw those disturbing actions you two were doing! :o

we need pictures ;) ive also heard rumors of brian and the beavers at c.hill. :Dand the skunk getting her heart broken and then commiting suicide. :D

Maps of the course yet?????

Going to head there Saturday around 10am

adam check with people you know that played the big show there. maps were handed out so maybe someone still has one.

Hey Brian or anyone else that may know. I was talking to a guy (ok it was Jeff), he said he talked to someone from either the City of Dallas or the county and that they were looking at putting 2 or more other courses in Dallas county, including one somewhere in the Trinity Forest. He said he talked to this lady at the Cedar Hill course.

Any one know if there is any truth about this. (I mean I did hear it from Jeff)

All in due time Pizza.............we have a possibility if it doesn't get f'ed up ;). We'll let everyone know when it happens, in the meantime make sure that the Dallas County Parks Board knows how much Cedar Hill is appreciated and it will help the cause :D.

can't wait to help knock down some trees jason :D

Just don't bust your arse again while doing it :D

hey i didn't even lose my smoke :eek:

Maps of the course yet?????

Going to head there Saturday around 10am



I think there will be enough people to follow......

I just got this email from a local golfer today, you may want to pay attention to this:

Wanted to make sure people know that we can�t park on the grass at Cedar Hill anymore. There are signs and a Cedar Hill Police officer said they would begin towing today. Please forward so all will be aware�

I suppose the only option for parking, for now, is to use the other park entrance and walk to the course, correct?

check out brian's post on the other c.h. thread.

....Any one know if there is any truth about this. (I mean I did hear it from Jeff)...



I posted earlier in this thread about meeting some guy named Jeff when I first played out there a few weeks back......and how we were approached by a lady that was out there doing an inspection. She worked for the county I believe (I think Brian posted the info on her a few pages back) and she mentioned a possibility of a few other courses that were being kicked around if this one, Lorch Park, went off well.

We called her and left a voicemail after playing about how much we enjoyed the course. Don't know if that's the same Jeff or not, but he had a retractable stick, some rice cakes, and was super paranoid about snakes, bacteria and leeches in the water. :D

oh, and he was not at much of a loss for words.....at all. :)

I suppose the only option for parking, for now, is to use the other park entrance and walk to the course, correct?



Correct. :(

I will be marking the trail VERY clearly tomorrow morning.

Brian

Clear enough for idiots like me? :o

The whole family might be out tomorrow!

Clear enough for idiots like me? :o

The whole family might be out tomorrow!



Maybe not for people with your sort of special needs but well enough for the common house monkey. :D

Dont worry about tomorrow. The gate will be wide open.

Brian

That was him for sure.