I have been throwing my 172 champion Orc for quite some time now and enjoy its insane distance and accuracy from the box, now i am hearing mixed opinions from other players about the new Pro-Line Orcs...has anyone thrown it yet? how is its flight and stability?

true wondering also. On the same subject who wants to pm me and sell me a solid blue or red orc. said orc must be able to outperform any eagle or banshee.

said orc must be able to outperform any eagle or banshee.



heck yeah!!! :cool:

i may be in the minority, but here's my story...

I throw the Orc as my primary driver... I have two champions in my bag, low-170's and high-160's. I love the feel of the Pro Line plastic, I have a pro leopard that I adore. So I picked up a Pro Orc.

First throw out of the box, I barely nick a tree (the kind of hit that stops a disc but shoots it more sideways than backwards). I get to my disc and it's taco'd. I've never seen *DX* plastic fold off a hit like this, and here's my brand new pro orc with a irreperable bend. Tried throwing it out in the fields afterwards, and unless i threw the disc near 45-degree angle upwards, it had no prayer of coming back from its anhyzer. I got one huge crush out of it, but I couldnt do it again so I think the disc is just damaged beyond consistency.

Took the pro out of my bag, and at this point in time I don't think I'm going to buy another one. :(

This is quite a dilemma...I would say go with the Champion, but the new ones are coming out so flat...I have a couple of early (most likely first, but who knows?) run Champion Orcs that are really domey (they feel like a totally different disc than the new ones) and these are the best. Awesome glide with a considerably straight, teebirdesque fade. I get probably an average of 20-30' more distance, in a straighter flight path than with my flat Champ Orcs. Flat ones are good for wind or when you want low speed fade, but those domey Champions are the best all around distance drivers I've ever thrown. Basically, the Pro-line fly the same as the domey Champion, which is great. However, durability is obviously an issue. If you can't find a domey one, I'd carry a Pro line for open distance, and a champion for every thing else. One last note, when I go down a couple of grams in weight, the new flat Orcs fly more like my heavier domey ones. So try a new Champion Orc that weighs a couple of grams less than you normally prefer and you can get the D and the durability.

Yes Domey Orc and teebird L are great distance discs! Flats are more overstable.. I just dont undrestand why they make differents.. :confused:

I appreciate all of the valuable advice, and have decided upon a 167 pro-line orc for my distance driver...I will probably buy a couple so if I taco one on a tree it wont put a dent in my game :D

i may be in the minority, but here's my story...

I throw the Orc as my primary driver... I have two champions in my bag, low-170's and high-160's. I love the feel of the Pro Line plastic, I have a pro leopard that I adore. So I picked up a Pro Orc.

First throw out of the box, I barely nick a tree (the kind of hit that stops a disc but shoots it more sideways than backwards). I get to my disc and it's taco'd. I've never seen *DX* plastic fold off a hit like this, and here's my brand new pro orc with a irreperable bend. Tried throwing it out in the fields afterwards, and unless i threw the disc near 45-degree angle upwards, it had no prayer of coming back from its anhyzer. I got one huge crush out of it, but I couldnt do it again so I think the disc is just damaged beyond consistency.

Took the pro out of my bag, and at this point in time I don't think I'm going to buy another one. :(



This very same thing happened to me. My first 20 or so throws with it were insanely accurate and long. I was pretty **** excited. But after an errant throw (my fault) off a mammoth evergreen, this disc crapped out. It takes a good bit of hyzer for me to prevent throwing this thing straight into the core of the earth. I love the feel of this Pro Line plastic, I also have a Shark and T-bird in it. But with this course being uber-wooded I don't think I'd buy anymore drivers in Pro as there are many tight shots off the tee. I have yet to try the Champ Orc but if it works it like a brand-spankin new Pro, I'm so there.

Champion ORC'S rule, have yet to try the Pro Line yet, have felt them, they don't feel very good to me.
TThe Pro
Schweb

champion is not near as under stable. pro line are flippy

That is what I hear
so I am steering clear.
Schweb

I absolutely HATE the pro Orc. It's as understable as a DX Valkyrie. The opaque Champion Orc I have is much more stable. Champion is better, but I still won't throw either of them. The Z Crush is a much better disc.

To all that have posted on the Pro-line's lack of durability Innova has changed the blend of the plastic to make it more durable. The newer runs will be made or the new plastic(see question for Dave D thread a while back). Haven't seen any yet though. On a different note...buy a pro line cobra. beautiful disc.

it just seemed to me that innova took the dx plastic and threw all the weight into the rim, leaving a thin yet still translucent top of the disc which doesnt help protect a disc's integrity when it hits a solid object.

At least the champion plastic is, in and of itself, very durable. I don't know, I might give a newer pro line orc a try but first impressions are very hard to overcome. and right now im hard-pressed to come up with a good reason to buy another pro line just because Innova says it "should be better"

I nailed a tree 20' off the tee, and curled in the leading edge of my new Proline Orc. spent the rest of the fairway trying to get the disc flat again. Next was long and open, so I tried it there to see how bad it would flip. To my surprise (and everyone else on my card) it didn't flip. 2 weeks later, I pull it out of my bag to throw, and some of the deformation has returned, and it is flippy. We'll see what happens.

Pro line is crap that won't last. I guess people buy them because maybe they can grip them better or something. I believe the Champion Orcs are the best your gonna get with that particular disc. Orange at that.

Champion: yay! :D
Pro Line: nay.

I have a 165 Pro line that is pretty flippy. But for a weenie arm like myself (ave 325 - 350 ft), I can get some good hyzer flips out of this disc. Definitely have gotten some of my longest drives with it. Also makes a great long range turnover disc. Big arms should probably stay away from this disc and I wouldn't recommend anyone try throwing it with any kind of headwind. I only throw it on long holes with plenty of open space. Champion orcs are much more predictable but so far they are a little too overstable for me to get max distance S-curves without a big anhyzer release.

By the way, I also throw a 171 Pro line Teebird. It is fairly beat up, but still a very versatile and useful disc. If I release it with hyzer and and get decent snap, it will fly long and straight with minimal fade. It is also a good long turnover disc. So far I like my beat version of this disc better than the new Pro TLs because it seems so much faster.

it just seemed to me that innova took the dx plastic and threw all the weight into the rim, leaving a thin yet still translucent top of the disc which doesnt help protect a disc's integrity when it hits a solid object.




FWIW, I thew both a DX Teebird and a Pro Teebird-L off of this hole:

http://www.playdg.com/bryantlake/?h=11

and both drives landed in the parking lot on the right. The Pro disc has minimal scuff damage and the DX looks like I took a cheese grater to a couple of inches worth of the rim. Sure the Pro plastic isn't as durable as the champion, but no one ever claimed it was supposed to be.

champion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep your beat up Pro line Orcs and use them as rollers!

I seen a person roll one at ACTA in Omaha, NE and it rolled forvever.

I tried both and am sticking with the Champions. I like a solid feeling driver.

My .02

PT Woods
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So I am hearing bad reviews for the "older" Pro material, but garublador says the TL is better, has anyone else compared the "old" pro with the "new" pro plastics???

thanks

So I am hearing bad reviews for the "older" Pro material, but garublador says the TL is better, has anyone else compared the "old" pro with the "new" pro plastics???

thanks



I can only account for it's resistance to scuff damage so far. I don't know how well it handles warping from direct object hits. Perhaps that does say something about it's flight, though. ;)

Keep your beat up Pro line Orcs and use them as rollers!

I seen a person roll one at ACTA in Omaha, NE and it rolled forvever.

I tried both and am sticking with the Champions. I like a solid feeling driver.

My .02

PT Woods
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Just curious, who was rolling Pro Orcs?

I posted previously about beating the crap out of my Pro Orc after one tree smack. I've since been able to use it effectively as a roller and long turnover shots (w/ a bit of hyzer). I've gotten serious distance (for me) with these shots. At first I was pretty PO'ed about it but I think I'll keep it in the bag for now.

I am finally starting to throw orcs, and I have 2 pro orcs in my bag. I don't have a champion orc, but I have thrown a few and it didn't seem to fit my grip very well. Somehow the grippier pro plastic makes up for the odd-feeling rim, and I really like the pro version. Also, I usually throw with hyzer(-flip) for long drives, and the champions never filpped up for me. The Pro does.

It's not one of my main drivers yet, so it's really only used on longer (450+), wide-open holes. It doesn't hit trees, so it keeps its shape. Anything under 425 or so I can reach with my vikings or teebirds, and I'm so used to the Viking/Teebird molds that I'm more accurate with them.

I'm curious if I can find any domier champion orcs. If so, I'd like to buy a few and try them out

new blended pro orc! about the same as dx beast [my longest disc, and teebird-esque] in different plastic

still flippy,but not nearly as bad.