I had the honor of throwing one of these probably before the mainstream public has access to them, and they are fascinating. A local gentleman I've played with many times got a brand new blue one off eBay, and he let me drive it once with a ~12 mph tailwind. The thing went dead straight for about 400 feet (about 12-15 feet off the ground) and then took a MEGA hyzer for the last 50 feet.

I'm definitely not used to that...I can usually get 400 feet on command if there aren't a ton of trees or wind in the way. If the throw is just perfect, sometimes 430-450. That's with an understable disc though...like my light Beast or well-aged Starfire. That Z-Flick went dead straight with no flip/flex/turn or what you personally call it. Then it takes a humongous sweeping hyzer at the end. Did I mention it was a 150-gram disc?!? I can't wait until these come out...it really seems like a great situational disc for those holes that a Firebird just can't reach!

Anyone else thrown one yet?

I have thrown them. I own 3 of them and i have a proto type that weighs 170. I would say the 150s have about the same stability as a max weight Crush but with TONS AND TONS of low speed fade. Almost too much for my liking. The heavy ones are just extremely OVERSTABLE. They are making these in 174 now and they are between a Predator and a Z Extreme. As of right now i have no use for a 150 class Z Flick but i may have some use for the new max weight ones.

They are out. Got mine from Sunking last week. A really fun, very straight sidearm disc. The light weight doesn't really bother me I think I've only flipped mine once. The rim is really too shallow for me to throw it backhand though. My first throw with it was a half power sidearm on the soccer field and it zoomed out to 300+. With no effort. With full power or a tail wind it will go a long ways, with a bunch of fade on the end. Probably my longest sidearm disc.

Dawg, see my notes on the Flick a couple of days ago under the 150 class driver thread on Throwing Techniques. Rather interesting disc. Online pretty much everywhere now.

I have two of 'em. One is so flat it is almost concave and the other is quite a bit domier. Very fast disc with a sharp hard left turn guaranteed at the end of it's flight.
Very easy to get multiple high curving skips also.
I've yet to turn one over, but I don't have a very big arm, yet.
(330' max).

Dawg, see my notes on the Flick a couple of days ago under the 150 class driver thread on Throwing Techniques. Rather interesting disc. Online pretty much everywhere now.



I saw them right after I posted it! Awesome disc...can't wait to get one and freak out my friends!

Haven't had the chance to throw them yet b/c i'm still at work, but Discraft just sent me several 174g Z-Flicks, along with a 150-Z-Flick.

I can't wait to try the 174's. I'll give some feedback on Thursday.

JM

there basically a firbird correct?

What is the plastic like? Is it gummy and flexible like 150 Champion, or is it more stiff like Z?

The 150 class is Flexible. I would not compare it to a Firebird. It is a helluva lot faster and more overstable.

The 174g is like your regular Z-plastic. Looks and feels nothing like a Firepoultry. I get to play some DG tonight, i'll give some feedback in the A.M.

I'll also give some feedback on the max wt. version in a few hours. I personally think the 150 plastic is your average Z, whereas the max version is nothing like normal. Keith was telling me that they need to add alot of weighting agent to get the discs' weight up. The result is something very similar to the plastic on the first run Z Talons, soft and probably not as durable as normal Z. So far it reminds me of a superflat Speed Demon, super-wide rim with a small rim depth. I'll let you know more tonight.

The plastic for the heavy Flicks have the same feel and look as the "Creamy, opaque" Z Talons. It clearly is the flattest disc I've ever held. They are VERY overstable and VERY FAST! Forehanders/sidearmers/flickers, ENJOY!!!!! I know I am!!
I worked one in, and I would say that they beat up a little quicker only because of how sharp the nose is, not because the blend of plastic. It's a very unique disc, I LOVE IT!!!! :o
The 150 are very clear, and gummy. For people who throw fairly hard, they are flippy out of the gate, but givin' some height, these things GO, and will always come back. For the average power thrower, they are very user friendly and easy to throw. Once again, a very unique disc. All ready can't keep these things in stock.
TG

Upon further studies, i'd have to agree with T to the G. The 174g Z-Flick has the flattest, lowest profile i've ever seen or felt. A sidearm-twofinger grip is very very comfortable. It is very overstable, and insanely fast..fast...fast!

Throwing it backhand, I was releasing the disc flat, throwing it hard, and getting 400' flat hyzers with little or no high speed turn. It lives up to it's +2 on the stability scale, for sure!

Throwing it sidearm, i was getting 300' all hyzer. I never had to worry about the disc turning over due to it's stability.

Unfortunately, there was no wind last night so i was unable to test it into the wind. I think it would be safe to say that this disc would make a great headwind driver becuase of it's low profile, speed, and overstability.

Does the Z-Flick only come in 2 sizes 174 and 150?
If so that would be ok but I have yet to find one anywhere in Austin, if you have one I would like to purchase one from you next time I am in Arlington. preferably a 171 or above. This sounds like a great disc.

Timmy is selling a few on eBay right now. Both weights.
(174) This disc is VERY overstable. Much more than my trusted FX's. It makes an excellent overhand disc. It would be great for sidearm amd backhand drives if there were a millimeter or two more depth to the rim. As it is now, the rim is so shallow that it slips and moves around while I'm driving. On a sidearm I have to concentrate the whole time on my grip, which ends up taking away from my shot. BTW, I have long, skinny fingers which I thought felt good under the rim, but I was wrong. It may work great for you, but for me I'll be holding on to my FX's for a while longer.

Loving the 150 Flick. Parked an uphill hyzer I had never reached before yesterday, #14 Ramcat Ridge long position. Right pleasant little disc. I throw a lot of 150 plastic and this one goes nothing like anything else out there. Gives us light weight arms a whole 'nother weapon we never had before. Not sure how a disc that is as high speed "flat flying" can be so freaking low speed stable, re: overstable. But I love it. :D

They sent me a 172g, 173g, and 174g to test. I'm sure other weights are available as well. The ADGA is about to put in their Discraft order for the AM VPO which is in 10 days!!!! You should be able to pick one up there, or get with me the next time you're in town.

They are every bit as overstable as an FX firepoultry, maybe even more overstable.

Hero,
I have a client coming in from California the same weekend as the VPO but I will try and get in touch with you next time I am in town.

Firepoultry...you crack me up. I'm definitely looking forward to getting one of those at the VPO. Maybe both a 150 and a 170's. That 150 was just insanely cool....I might have to start throwing something other than a "FirePoultry" with my forehand shot. Then maybe I can pretend to be a lefty on longer holes, too (i.e. 18 long pin at Veteran's).

After messing around with it a little bit more on Sunday morning, i have come to this conclusion:

This thing is OVERSTABLE!!!!!!, and lightning QUICK!!!!


If you like the stability of an FX (Firepoultry, aka. Firebird) then you need to give this disc a shot.

I really was getting tickled watching people try to turn this disc over after i told them how overstable it was.

Just got a blue 166 Flick. It is extemely fast and overstable just like My Hero says. I love it so far...
Can't wait for some wind to whip up so I can really test it.

Have a 170 Flick. Love it. Replaced my Z- Predator almost entirely(and I've only had it 4 days). Great Forehand disc. Probably will add at least 30ft to my forehand. Seems to also work well on shots that need to go far with a low ceiling.

The Flick is one bad mambo jambo!!! It will not take the place of the pred, but is still sweeeeeeeet!! I just got mine today, 171 and pink!!! The only shot that I have used it for is a forehand and it is the best discraft disc for that job!!

Later

Smitty

how does it differ from comparable weight z-pred? obviously faster with more low speed-fade, but what about hi-speed stability?

VERY stable at high speed...Maybe a bit more than Z Pred...Sweet disc.

i think it is awsome. if you think you can turn it over your crazy. just throw it ani and watch it fly. give it a good snap and throw it kinda high and watch it hold the line for like 350 feet and then start to fade back. also a great hyzer disc. but deffinitaly the fastest overstable driver i have thrown.

This thing is INSANE. I would compare throwing my 170 Z EXTREME. I have a big arm and i cant get this thing to go straight unless i crank if Forehand. This is a great spike hyzer and hard left turn disc and i think if i work with it it will become my forehand disc. I want to get one in the 160s though. The low profile rim seems to eliminate the flutter on my forehand because the disc comes out smoother. Ill work with it a little more and report back.

As of right now this disc has NO PLACE IN MY BAG. Its just TOO DARN OVERSTABLE. Way more so then my same weight Z Preds

I've got a white 1 74 g Flick that I threw for the first time today. I only got to throw it a few times, but i would say its not nearly as stable as my max Z-Pred. I would compare it more to my 175 Champion Orc, stability wise. Maybe a bit more overstable. Very fast, and handles the wind well, but I would say its definitely a 2 stability rating. Could this be another case of different colors being different stabilities?

Mine is RED. Red is usually the most OVERSTABLE color from Discraft in my expierience. They also retooled the mold i think alittle after the FIRST runs because they were just sick overstable. I will have to work with mine some more maybe i was just tired that day but its was WAY more OVER then my Red Pred in the same weight :confused:

I've got two first run 150 class Flicks. One is as flat as any disc I've ever seen, the other is quite a bit domier.
The colors are orange and a slightly more reddish orange.
The reddish one also has a flight plate that is more clear than the other one.
I think, as with many new discs (Orcs, Flashes), they just plain vary regardless of color.
Haven't figured out why yet. :p

I picked up a blue first run yesterday and went out in a field and tested it.

Mad fast. But it has very little glide. I threw it with hyzer and tried to flip it flat a couple times, but alas...no luck. I threw it anhyzer and got some decent distance but as soon as the overstability conquered the anhyzer it seemed to crash.

Whip out your flicks and check the rim. My 150 gr prototype still has the remnants of the word CRUSH in the rim.

Wow!!!!!! Can you say 'Boing!'

This 150g disc is AWESOME!!!!

Jeterdawg and i were throwing it 400' with what seemed like little effort. It was muddy and rainny so throwing it at 100% power was not an option. Throwing it backhand, the disc is lightning quick, with a great high speed turn, and still very overstable when it slows down. Throwing it forehand, i was able to slightly turn it over creating 300'-325'+ effortless drives.

This is the 1st 150g disc that i've ever had confidence in, and it's the 1st 150g disc that has made the cut to be in the bag!

^^^ What he said. I finally got one of these for myself, and it's permanently in the bag. The 150-class is a great disc, but you can't let up on it (at least if you're me). I have to throw the thing pretty hard to make it get that great speed and line. But it'll go dead straight for about 400' and then turn left like a 16-year old girl driving while on the phone.

Definitely more overstable than a Predator, even at the 150 weight.

I, too, noticed the "CRUSH" in the rim. Don't really throw Discraft, but I wanted a lighter disc that can handle sidearm drives. Interesting disc. Stiffer plastic than Innova's Champion stuff in this weight class. Less grip though. Don't know about the rest of Discraft's line, or even Gateway's, but I suspect it is one of the very fastest, if not the fastest disc on the market. Maybe only the Speed Demon is faster? Don't know. Handles sidearm very well. Threw it 320' with no practice. Sidearm. Wasn't able to throw it much farther backhand, which is odd, because I usually throw most drivers 30'-70' farther backhand. Put some spinach on it, and it will turn over, but definitely has that ultra hard finish, ala Viper/Whippet/RAM. Another observation: the disc looked almost machined, instead of injected. Stiff, clean looking, no flow lines that I could see. Made it look cleaner, more pristine. Know it doesn't effect flight, just thought it looked nice. Is Discraft Z plastic normally like that? Still an Innova man though. ;)

Hello All,


They also retooled the mold i think alittle after the FIRST runs because they were just sick overstable.



No retooling Mills, we're still in the first run.

BUUUUURRN!!

Just kidding pimp. I just like the way Kelso says it on "That 70's Show"!

No retooling Mills, we're still in the first run.



Ok i was just making an EXCUSE for why i cant get this thing to do ANYTHING but HYZER. Trying to make myself feel better i guess. LMAO. Usually i know what im talking about on this thread.

Maybe i should try a 160-165 because the 174 Red one sits right next to my Z Extreme in the I CANT DO ANYTHING BUT HYZER this disc part of my bin :D

Hey Keith when can we Expect the Tsunami in some Z Plastic. I just LOVE those DGLO Tsunamis ;)

And did i hear Discraft has another new Team Member thats one of my good friends or is that just a rumor???

Keep up the AMAZING work with the discs so i can keep preaching how much better your discs are then that other company. Whats their name??? Oh thats right its INNCONSISTANT i mean INNOVA. That just my opinion i could be wrong ............................................but im not :D

Thanks for the Tsunami Wasp/BUZZZ and Challenger :D:D:D

i got some of those flicks at the fly mart in worlds and they are sweeeeeeet!!!!!!

Hey guys. The Flick is doing good things at the Usdgc. I've seen several crucial strokes saved on the touchy forehand hole 17 and I've thrown about 5 times so far as a thumber tomahawk, once for a 2 foot park job on number 7. It's pretty thin, and ended up being a tombstone- right next to the basket. I'd recommend this as an excellent tommy-thumber disc, great bounce, not too much roll, and good digging ability due to the profile. Thanks Discraft for another awesome tool to get the job done! Go Scooter!

The flick is my 1W

Pete, Sonny Ashby is holding a Flick in his hand as he claims his disc from the basket on #3 in todays USDGC Gallery - an ACE on #3. See y'all tomorrow. :cool:

Finally saw/held a Z-Flick yesterday firsthand...WOAH!! F-L-A-T!!!
Maybe beyond 2nd-run-Valk-flat with a slightly bigger wing.
Gotta be F-A-S-T!!!

This thing is MONEY for my forehand. Saved me a bunch of strokes today at the NEW Rolling Hills Course. Its freakin amazing. If you get a chance to play it before it snows youll be amazed. You have to be 5 under on the first 6 holes to even think about shooting under par :D

what weight are you throwing?

I have a 150 class Z-Flick that weighs 154g on a scale. I have only taken it out once and here is what happened: I threw it on average about 360'. I get 400' on a good rip with an Orc, so that's not bad "D" for me. The weird thing is that I was throwing it totally flat and it would get out straight and then flex right for a little bit before coming back hard. I can't imagine a straight flight path that would get me to 400' with this thing because if I got anymore snap on it it would turn out too much. As far as forehand goes, I don't think I'm going to be able to utilize it as it is too hard for me to grip the extremely shallow rim with my current technique. It is a cool toy though, much like the Speed Demon and the Epic, but will not make it into my bag. I like the idea of thumbing it, I'll have to try that soon.

Im throwing a 174 Red Z Flick for my forehands :D

I had the honor of throwing one of these probably before the mainstream public has access to them, and they are fascinating. A local gentleman I've played with many times got a brand new blue one off eBay, and he let me drive it once with a ~12 mph tailwind. The thing went dead straight for about 400 feet (about 12-15 feet off the ground) and then took a MEGA hyzer for the last 50 feet.

I'm definitely not used to that...I can usually get 400 feet on command if there aren't a ton of trees or wind in the way. If the throw is just perfect, sometimes 430-450. That's with an understable disc though...like my light Beast or well-aged Starfire. That Z-Flick went dead straight with no flip/flex/turn or what you personally call it. Then it takes a humongous sweeping hyzer at the end. Did I mention it was a 150-gram disc?!? I can't wait until these come out...it really seems like a great situational disc for those holes that a Firebird just can't reach!

Anyone else thrown one yet?



I just bought two 150g red Discraft Z-Flicks off eBay for $25. (plus $5 shipping) I took them out to a field today for some initial testing. Obligatory background info: I've been playing disc golf for over 8 years, have played over 100 disc golf courses, RHBH thrower, PDGA player rating of 944, and max drive only 400 feet on level ground.

As benchmarks, I threw my normal distance drivers: a few old school CE Valkyries (somewhat flippy) a 170g Champion Beast, and a 165g Champion Orc.

I threw about a dozen drives with the 150g Z-Flicks. I was amazed that even at 150g, these discs were not understable. When thrown perfectly flat, I achieved only a slight roll to the right, followed by a hard hyzer left at the end. While the disc has awesome glide and good resistance to turnover, it didn't give me max distance because of the hard hyzer at the end of it flight. I was consistently short and left of my best drives with my other discs.

When thrown high and with a slight amount of anyhzer, this disc gave me a ton of distance. It would hold a slight anhyzer line seemingly forever before fading back hard. A late release wasn't problematic because the disc came back so much at the end.

Frankly, I'm somewhat dubious of claims that this disc can be thrown 430-450 feet dead straight with no roll. I don't have the strongest arm and I was getting this thing to roll right. It seems odd that someone who can throw that far would not overpower a 150g disc and have it turnover far to the right.

The jury is still out as to how useful this disc will be for me. For mostly-wide open 325-foot drives, it will be a good disc for me. I can aim 50 feet out to the right and have it fly fast and straight and hyzer back predictably to the polehole. But for par 4 holes and distance crushes where placement isn't as important and I'm looking for max distance, I may still use my Orc, Beast or flippier CE Valkyries. I'd also be interested in trying this disc out into a headwind. I usually sacrifice a lot of distance in heavy wind by being forced to throw a very overstable Firebird. I'd be very surprised if a 150g disc would hold up into a headwind, but would be pleased to be able to use it in this situation.

I picked up a 150 class last week and went out and played a round with it this past weekend.

1) I can't throw sidearm at all, but with this disc I was able to throw them a little. But I also learned that the angle/power ratio has to be perfect otherwise this becomes a roller.

2) Throwing backhand I was able to get some distance with it. When thrown with hyzer, I was able to flip it flat and have it glide for a while before fading out hard. Thrown flat I was able to have it do a nice S curve for some distance. Thrown with anhyzer and some height, I was getting a little more distance with a bigger S curve.

I like this a lot more than my heavy Zflick.

We were playing a B Tier at George Wilson this week and my buddy Josh Romine said that Dave Shaw is throwing a Blue 150 Z Flick for his MAIN driver.

I dont have any use for this disc at all really. I throw with too much snap and 2 much armspeed to make this disc do anything but go HARD RIGHT. RHBH. I do on the other hand LOVE the 174 Flicks for my forehand and would like to get my hands on some 160-166 Z Flicks for Thumbers and tomahawks.

I got a 150 flick this weekend, it was part of the players package for a tournament I attended. Since I mostly throw 150 class drivers, I was curious to see how this would be.

I generally throw Beasts, Valks, and Dragons, which all can be pretty flippy, the beast being the most stable of the bunch. So I was interested to see how "overstable" this Flick was going to be.

In the 2nd round of the tournament, the wind had really picked up and I had a definite need for something overstable. Do I throw my 170 firebird, or give the 150 Flick a try? As I'd never thrown it before I was leary about trying it out when I was on the card, but on paper what I really needed was a 150 overstable driver, and I had a brand new one in my bag. Give'r!

This disc did exactly what I wanted it to, it fought the wind perfectly and had just the right amount of fade I was looking for (had their been no wind, then I'm sure it would have faded a lot more). What really blew my mind though, was the massive skips this thing gets. I'm getting pretty good distance with it, but when it touches down it seems to be good for at least a 40 ft skip! This happened everytime I threw it! :eek: I noticed that it's got a pretty wide rim on it, so I guess that's why.

This disc is a welcome addition to my bag, and has replaced my firebird. I love it!

I have tried the 150 class flick and I have found that I tend to throw it with a nose-up trajectory (moreso than normal /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif). It is difficult to wrap my hands around the very wide rim and then to maintain a grip with such a shallow ridge to grip on the inside rim.

The disc is extrememly overstable, but I cannot throw it consistently as it slips out of my hand. More field work is necessary before I could consider putting it in my tournament bag. :cool:

but I cannot throw it consistently as it slips out of my hand. More field work is necessary before I could consider putting it in my tournament bag. :cool:



That's a fair comment. Since I usually throw DX, the feel of this disc is a little different and I definitely have to concentrate on my grip, or it'll slip out of my hand. It is pretty 'gummy' though, so I've found it better to get a good grip on than some of the stiffer Z and CE plastic I've tried.

I picked up the 150 last week and played a few rounds with it. I really liked it after a few throws. It hyzered really hard at first, but once I figured out how to throw the thing, I was able to get it out to around 360-380 feet with a nice hyzer at the very end. I had one drive into the wind that went about 340 and very, very straight. I started using it as my primary driver since I had been badly turning over my Orc and Flash (my normal drivers, which usually get out around 380-400') and needed something more predictible. I have only been playing for about two and a half months so most of my problems with predictibility can be attributed to inexperience and bad technique.

Overall, I would say that this is a disc that should have a place in my bag for a long time. I'll also be picking up a heavier Flick sometime in the near future.

Dude, you've only been playing a couple of months and your already driving 360-380 feet! ****! :eek: Good on ya man!

I'll also be picking up a heavier Flick sometime in the near future.



What do you need a heavier one for, is your 150g Flick turning over?

My 150 isn't turning over, but I like the feel of the disc (I have big hands) so I'd like a heavier one for shots that hook hard to the left and for thumbers. I'd also like to have the heavier one for stronger headwinds.

Dude, you've only been playing a couple of months and your already driving 360-380 feet! ****! Good on ya man!



Ive only been playing for 20 months and i can throw over 500 :D Not that it matters because i still suck :eek:

Forget about the distance and work on the accuracy and putting. :D

exactly!!! :D:D

People are so different. Someone picked up my stack of Z Flicks and said they were very slick. To me they are very grippy. The best thing about them is that they are user friendly. It took me about 3 throws to master both a 150g and a 166g Flick. Forehand and backhand. With proper technique, I can throw the 150g Z very far and accurately with a forehand shot. The only problem is that it seems to go too far and pass the spot that I want it to turn because it is very fast. I'm going to figure this thing out.

I usually try to take a hyzer line out to 350 - 400 ft on any hole I possibly can, as I find it's the most predictable for me. I must say, I've been using a blue 1st run Flick at 170g and it's becoming the most used driver in my bag. Helluva lot faster than my Monster and I seem to get a bit more d outta it every time. I'm sold.

It's also a great overhand disc, as it's speed gives it a very predictable overhand flight.

It is pretty 'gummy' though, so I've found it better to get a good grip on than some of the stiffer Z and CE plastic I've tried.



Are the heavier Z-Flicks gummy as well? I would like to get one to try for FH rollers, but I find gummy discs don't roll very well.

Dude, you've only been playing a couple of months and your already driving 360-380 feet! ****! Good on ya man!



Ive only been playing for 20 months and i can throw over 500 :D Not that it matters because i still suck :eek:

Forget about the distance and work on the accuracy and putting. :D



It don't mean a thing if you don't hear that ching. :cool:

I threw about a dozen drives with the 150g Z-Flicks. I was amazed that even at 150g, these discs were not understable. When thrown perfectly flat, I achieved only a slight roll to the right, followed by a hard hyzer left at the end. While the disc has awesome glide and good resistance to turnover, it didn't give me max distance because of the hard hyzer at the end of it flight. I was consistently short and left of my best drives with my other discs.



I would like to retract my comment that this disc has 'awesome glide.' While this disc is incredibly fast, it actually has poor glide. As soon as it runs out of spin all it wants to do is hyzer hard. I think that I thought it had good glide because I was throwing it as far as some of my other shots, but that's just because it is lightweight and fast.

Case in point, I went out today for more field testing. The difference was that there was a slight but steady breeze flowing. There's a flagpole out at the park I throw at, and after finding a spot to throw directly into the headwind, I watched my 150g Flick turn over faster than a two dollar hooker. Thrown flat, it promptly turned into a cut roller. Thrown with hyzer into the wind, it would perform an amazing flight: it would roll flat, then turnover, then begin to run out of spin and hyzer hard left! The wind wasn't even strong; it was barely enough to blow the flag horizontal.

Eventually I moved so that the breeze was blowing from behind me, but also slightly from left to right: the perfect anhyzer tail wind. After launching a couple of bombs with flippy drivers (catching one perfectly with a CE Valkyrie that rode like a champ before hyzering out) I tried to do the same with the 150g Z-Flick. After what felt like equally as powerful a pull, the Flick would climb up, get on the anhyzer angle and begin to ride, and then promptly hyzer out of the sky and die!

Again, I'm wondering if this disc has a place in my bag. It has very poor resistance to headwind (as one would expect from a 150g disc) and poor glide.

It don't mean a thing if you don't hear that ching.




EXACTLY :D

Again, I'm wondering if this disc has a place in my bag. It has very poor resistance to headwind (as one would expect from a 150g disc) and poor glide.



Wow, I'm kind of surprised by this. I find that it fights the wind incredibly well. But since my other drivers are a 148 beast and a 150 Valk, it makes sense that the Flick would be the best out of the bunch for wind. I have yet to see it flip!

Again, I'm wondering if this disc has a place in my bag. It has very poor resistance to headwind (as one would expect from a 150g disc) and poor glide.



Wow, I'm kind of surprised by this. I find that it fights the wind incredibly well. But since my other drivers are a 148 beast and a 150 Valk, it makes sense that the Flick would be the best out of the bunch for wind. I have yet to see it flip!



If you normally throw over 300 feet and deliver a 150g Z-Flick disc perfectly flat and at normal height directly into a moderate headwind and it doesn't promptly turnover into a cut roller, I would be shocked because that is exactly what I saw.

I found that the 150g flick would turn over for me. However I throw really fast and will turn just about anything over. But I recently got a 174g (max) Flick and released with anhyzer, this disc goes easily over 400ft before it hyzered back and actually lost a bit of distance due to the height it was at at the time of the fade.

Our local Grandmaster Bagger here in Birmingham, recently threw a 168g Flick 410ft into a 15mph headwind at an overall tournament. So I would say it is a great headwind driver.

It will make it as part of my rotation of overstable drivers along with the Firebird and Monster. I still throw a DX 175g Beast for distance.

And to the person posting above, I join you on the distance. I broke 400ft after only 3-4 months of playing and now just 2 weeks ago, (8months of playing) I just broke 450ft, throwing into a 15mph headwind. But look at my sign on name, it is true, drive for show and putt for dough.

i guess i'm the opposite of you guys; i'm a beginner, played maybe 12 games in 2 months, and i can't drive to save my life. every time out i get worse, now i am barely breaking 200, and that's usually with a touch of anhyzer! i guess i have no technique and/or a noodle arm. i'd be happy with 200ft if it were consistent and accurate, but it's not. however, i have had pretty decent success with putting at this point. when my arm is warmed up, i can sink almost everything up to 20-25 ft, and have had success up to 40 or so. problem is, it usually takes me 3 "drives" (er.. approaches) to get there. :o

MadCow,

I would glady trade games with you. Although it is nice to get the high-fives when you scream a disc 20ft past a 412ft basket, it really kills your esteem when you bonk the basket on your putt, and end up with the same score as someone who only threw 350ft drive, and placed a nice approach.

Heck, if I could get my putting game to at least a 60-70% mark within 25ft, I would move up to open at least in local tournaments.

Distance will come, but putting requires much practice.

thanks for the perspective, parkntwoputt, i guess we all have our own strengths and weaknesses. though on a 412 foot hole for me it's more like 200 foot drive, 150 foot approach, 60 foot lay-up, touch the chains. :D

MadCow,

I would glady trade games with you. Although it is nice to get the high-fives when you scream a disc 20ft past a 412ft basket, it really kills your esteem when you bonk the basket on your putt, and end up with the same score as someone who only threw 350ft drive, and placed a nice approach.




It can frustrate me when people that throw 150ft less than me beat me. Even on short wooded courses.

As to the topic of the thread: Max weight Z Flicks are awesome. The best wind/ overstable disc available today.

It can frustrate me when people that throw 150ft less than me beat me. Even on short wooded courses.




Then don't play with old men, because thats what we do to every young player. :D

Its called being "old manned to death" :o

MadCow,

I would glady trade games with you. Although it is nice to get the high-fives when you scream a disc 20ft past a 412ft basket, it really kills your esteem when you bonk the basket on your putt, and end up with the same score as someone who only threw 350ft drive, and placed a nice approach.




There are no pictures on the score card. So i dont care if i miss a 20 footer for 2 and drop in 3 or if i hit a 150 ft field ACE for 3. A 3 is a 3 is a 3. Eventually i will learn to make those 20 footers on a regular basis but the person who can only throw 350 will maybe hit a 72ft 1 out of a hundred times but once i learn a consistent putt i will be hitting 90 or more out of a 100 from 20 feet. :D

Then don't play with old men, because thats what we do to every young player.

Its called being "old manned to death"




Its cool. Ill let you old man me to death untill i learn how to putt. Then ill YOUNG GUN you to death when im making 2 on 450 foot holes and you are barely getting 3 :o

As you said, a 3 is a 3 is a 3. I may only drive 350 but never count an old man out when it comes to putting. They will kill you every time.

Just like one of our young guns here, (Billy Lund), he can drive 500+. He threw one on a 450ft hole at least 80 past it. He and all of the other young ones said "Wow! Nice drive", my response, "nice circle four, I guess I'll just take my three.".

And the old man wins again. :o

Just like one of our young guns here, (Billy Lund), he can drive 500+. He threw one on a 450ft hole at least 80 past it. He and all of the other young ones said "Wow! Nice drive", my response, "nice circle four, I guess I'll just take my three.".

And the old man wins again.



Its cool. Just wait till the young guns get a consistent putt or get that drive to be deadly accurate :D

You cant argue with DISTANCE and PUTTING.

No matter if you are 90 percent from 30 ft. If your on a 450 ft hole and cant get it within 30 in 1 shot then youll not going to make 2 nearly as many times as i am even if i can only make 40% of my putts from 30 feet :D

The biggest thing you are over looking is the mental game.
Young guns choke! Time and time again. The young ones such as yourself put way too much pressure on themselves because they don't want some noodle armed old man to beat them.

I do it over and over. I just sit back take my few birdies, make par on the rest and let them destroy themselves. Count on it they always do. (Except for the rair few that have it together, and thats not many)


I'll tell you like I tell my kids, "By the time your big enough to whip me, I'll be so old you'll be ashamed to do it." :D

40% of your putts from 300 ft? i dont know about that one mills.

I do it over and over. I just sit back take my few birdies, make par on the rest and let them destroy themselves. Count on it they always do. (Except for the rair few that have it together, and thats not many)


I'll tell you like I tell my kids, "By the time your big enough to whip me, I'll be so old you'll be ashamed to do it."



My mental game has gotten WAY BETTER this year.

As for the second comment it looks like im already whipping you by our ratings and i cant even putt :o:p :D

way to edit that one so quickly.

I'm not discounting your game, I'm sure it is quite good, I was just saying, never discount an old mans game, we are treacherous, we will lie in wait for you to make yur mistakes and we will take advantage of them.

We have the advantage, patience, wisdom and cunning that it takes to win over time.

I'm sure you will agree that when you are playing an old man, there is a little worry in the back of your mind. You are in a lose/lose situation.
You are younger, you should win. If you don't then you let an old man whip you arse.

The pressure is on you, not us. :D

Thats for sure. We have one old bugger in particular that all us young guys hate losing too. He was whoopin on me all year untill i finally got my head out of my ACE and started to have some course management instead of take the CRAZY route that might get a 2 and take a 4 or a 5 that i used to do every time i played :mad:

I hated losing to him :mad:

As for the second comment it looks like im already whipping you by our ratings and i cant even putt :o:p :D




Yea, your whipping me by a whole 2.5 stroke margin and you played 4 tournaments to every one that I played. Lets see, your younger, you play 4 times as many tournamnets and you have moved to a 2.5 stroke advantage. I wouldn't call that something to brag about.

it would sound something like this:
"I average 2.5 strokes better than that old man over there, but he keeps beating my arse." :D

Thats for sure. We have one old bugger in particular that all us young guys hate losing too. He was whoopin on me all year untill i finally got my head out of my ACE and started to have some course management instead of take the CRAZY route that might get a 2 and take a 4 or a 5 that i used to do every time i played :mad:

I hated losing to him :mad:




Thats ME! :D

This old man is rated in the 930s :o

I vow not to lose to him at ALL next year. :mad:

Thats another one of my goals :D

Huh? What's the topic of this thread?

Huh? What's the topic of this thread?



I cant remember just post whatever you want :o

http://discgolf.jamaholic.com/images/hijacklive.jpg

if you normally throw over 300 feet and deliver a 150g Z-Flick disc perfectly flat and at normal height directly into a moderate headwind and it doesn't promptly turnover into a cut roller, I would be shocked because that is exactly what I saw.

thats exactly what i got also. cost me a bogey. the 170 range are fine, but i'm gonna have to do somereal practice with the 150 before i use it again in a tourney. i have a feeling it'll be a good disc - i've never thrown a 150 before, so i need to learn.

My 150g is awesome.... Man it releases faster than anything I have thrown. I also have a 165g that is more overstable and is a great disc. I just need to work them into my bag now.... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Someone a couple pages back on this thread asked about the plastic heavier Z Flicks are made of. The one's I've seen were all made of soft, opaque Z plastic remniscent of older Talons and actually seems more like X plastic or some kind of blend.

Thanks discspeed! It doesn't sound like the kind of plastic I was hoping to find for a power FH roller. I'm still interested to try out the 150 for distance forehands (airshots). Hey Hysell, did you finish your testing of these things yet? ... I need a FH Jedi Master to lay some knowledge on me :D

Wanna know what I think? The 150 Z-Flick is very easy to throw, forehand and backhand. If you have the common forehand technique flaw where you "have" to throw an over-stable disc, try the heavier weights. I still throw 1st run x-xpresses forehand if the shot requires it. Get you a few Flicks and try them out. I bet you will be happy with the results. This may surprise you but the disc that I am consistently rolling the longest with a forehand is a mid-stable orange Z-Flash. With the right angle it just goes forever. I sold it to Biscoe and he said it was to understable. I bought it back and put it into my bag. His loss, my gain.

3000!

As soon as I get some extra $$, I will be ordering some discs and I will be sure to include a 150 Z-Flick or two. This past year was the first that I started mixing in stable discs along with the overstable discs for FH shots - although I still need more practice to gain consistancy on the distance shots. I pull out the QJLS for all tight fairway shots now ... I don't even consider a BH throw in the woods anymore. As far as FH rollers, I am finding that the speed is more important to me than the overstability ... you just have to adjust the angle to the stability.