After buying dozens of 175g plastic I have heard from several people that 160-165g drivers fly "straighter" and longer. I am wondering if I made a mistake buying all that heavy stuff. I like the 175's and I can throw them pretty straight for the most part but I can't compare distance b/c I haven't thrown many light discs yet. Does this also hold true for mids?

for me, lighter plastic is good for throwing pure distance, but nothing else. lighter stuff flips to easily for me, but if I catch a light disc perfectly, its gone

I agree with MTL. Light weight stuff tends to carry longer for me when throwing the pure, open distance shots, but for golf throws, max weight is the way to go (at least for me).

I am not a pro or anything but I used to throw the 175g alot then I bought a couple of 165g disc and they are better off the tee. Especially with a tailwind. Headwind is when you wanna consider the 175g. I am currently throwing a 150g Z flick from the tee when there is a tailwind....AWESOME.!!!!

Hey MTL what's the lightest disc you use for the D? Are 150g to light for you?

I'm waiting to hear expert testimony, m'self. I think it's a given, though, that a lighter disc can increase one's armspeed. This might not necessarily be desired.

...when the 'indestructable' plastics were new, circa 2000-ish, our locals came up with the figure that the new plastic was roughly equal to 5-6 grams, stability-wise. A 169 'candy' disc would perform similar to a 175 DX model. I don't know how scientific that was/is, but I don't believe it's been contradicted. Widely.

I am by no means an expert, or even a decent player by any means, but I found that 165-168 drivers are the way to to for me.

I found with my midranges I like somthing around 175, mostly because I want much control and don't want the wind to jack with them.

I won't touch any disc under 170g. Most of my drivers happen to be 176g. and my midranges 175g. I only have 1 disc in the bag under 170g. Its a 167g Blaze thats been to hell and back. It only gets used to midrange rollers and huge tailwind shots.

I am not only not a pro but will never be a pro. At 70 yrs old with a candy arm,170 and up goes about 140'to 150' where as I throw all 147 -150g and most discs go 190 to 200'.I don't know where that "too flippy" comes from because none of my discs will flip at all.(EVER)!! I can only throw RHFH and would love to find a disc that would turn left at the end for me.

The only 'way to go' is what works for you and your throwing style.

Having said that I have found the 150g DX Beast to be my go to distance driver. I am not one who will likely ever win any distance competitions, but I do get my Beast out 350-400 RHBH. You don't typically need more than this on the course. I move up to a 169g DX Beast when wind is more of a factor. I find the DX plastic to be more stable than the Champion plastic at lower weights. I also use a 163g Champion Firebird that performs very much like its heavier counterparts but is easier on my arm at the end of the day.

As far as the lighter discs being too flippy, I don't have too much trouble with that. I have used the 150 Beast all summer and you have learn when it is and is not the right disc for the job.

Gaylord - lots of the older players that I interact with are on a constant hunt for 150 class discs. I don't know what molds you are using, but a light weight Valkyrie should help. Don't be afraid to use DX plastic vs. Champion. The DX will beat in much more quickly and thus become more understable.

Good luck!

I just started throwing a 150 DX TeeBird and I love it. I can throw a long ani for pure D that will come back at the end. I threw my personal best at a distance contest with this disc (411 ft.). I also have been using it on a 300 ft hyzer where the pin is about 20 feet up on the side of a hill. This disc, when released with a lot of hyzer, flips up and glides for a bit, then cuts back at the end. Heavier discs that I have tried on this shot tend to dive down at the end, or if I get them there, they don't have time to slow down and cut. I also don't have to throw the light DX nearly as hard for this shot. Still have not hit a tree with it either!!! :D

go to 150 class (http://www.150class.com) for some 150 class drivers.

I normaly throw 172 to 174 Vikings, Beasts, Rocs, ........ I dropped weight for my Orcs and can rip a 160g Orc with much more control and further than the heavier ones.

For me, they are definitely the way to go.

I recently went from throwing discs in the high 160's to 150 class drivers and I've doubled my distance. In fact on some of the shorter holes I'm actually overshooting the basket. I never thought I'd have that problem.

I throw a 148 beast, when you get enough zip on it, it'll definitely try to flip, it will always come back though. So I need to make sure there is enough room for it to do the S when I drive. It's definitely my longest distance driver.

I throw a 150 Valk, which is great for when you need it to go the opposite way your disc would normally go, flips very easily. It also makes a good roller.

Both the Beast and Valk, at DX, and have had a few good whacks, so they are probably less stable now then when they were new.

For big hyzers I'm throwing my 150 Flick.

Now I'm looking for a 150 Firebird for something a little more stable than the beast, but not to the extreme of the Flick. Once I get my firebird, I'll be happy with my bag! I had a 145 Firebird for a day (lost it on thin ice), and that's what I got my first birdie with.

The weight of a disc you need really depends on how strong you throw. My philosophy is, "Throw the lightest thing you can control." So, my bag is full of 150-155 gram drivers (JK Valk, Champ. Leopard, TL Teebird, etc.), because I control them just as well as a heavier disc, and get more distance. However, I am not a "big arm," 300' is a very good drive for me.

Try going to 160g discs, before you go to 150 class. You may also have to pick a more overstable disc to make up for the lighter weight.

I am by no means an expert, or even a decent player by any means, but I found that 165-168 drivers are the way to to for me.

I found with my midranges I like somthing around 175, mostly because I want much control and don't want the wind to jack with them.



I agree about the midranges. I like heavier weights for more control.

I used to throw all max weights on all my drivers and tried some lighter discs in the upper 160's and found them too light.

I found my prime weight at 172 gm's in all drivers. They still handle headwind pretty well while getting max D.

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Try going to 160g discs, before you go to 150 class.



where do you find 160g discs? i've seen discs from 144g to 151g, but then there seems to be a void up to 165g. ideally i think i would be throwing something around 159g.

my longest drives ever were with 150 dx beasts and a slight tailwind. surprisingly controllable. at 5500' and up in elevation [lots of colorado courses] light drivers are a must

168g is my driver weight of choice. I went to that when the new Eagle came out in DX. It's even better for candy drivers.

Lighter is better...until it gets windy.

my longest drives ever were with 150 dx beasts and a slight tailwind. surprisingly controllable. at 5500' and up in elevation [lots of colorado courses] light drivers are a must



I'm playing in some CO tourneys next year, so I have a question for you. In general, how does elevation effect the discs. Do I need to throw more overstable plastic? Flippier? Lighter you say? Is there a drawback to upper weights, since I don't like light discs?

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Try Frisbeerancher on ebay, he's go a lot of light weight discs.

Lighter and flippier at altitude. Bring all your worthless beat-up stuff.

When I play in the mountains, most of the discs in my bag have "Megan" or "Laurie" written on them.

Hey MTL what's the lightest disc you use for the D? Are 150g to light for you?



yeah I got a lot of arm velocity - ussualy 165 is as light as I will go - I used to throw 168 gram valks for D

I am an NC guy and was out in Colorado Springs last April. It took me about 6 rounds to get a feel for what to throw. I quit throwing Valks because they were flipping over. Luckily I had one with me because it is all I could throw. I throw Orcs and Eagles and they were flying like Monsters for me. Take everything that you beat up too much to throw.

where do you find 160g discs?

Any Innova retailer can order 151-169g discs, but a lot don't because they don't think light discs will sell. so ask your local retailer to order some next time he puts in an order. If you can't wait that long, try one of the online vendors like ZoneDriven (http://www.zonedriven.com) or DiscLanding (http://www.disclanding.com). If you don't see them listed on the website, shoot an e-mail to Rick Black at DiscLanding with your request. If he doesn't have it in the store and it's in stock at Innova East, he'll get it for you.

[Disclaimer: I am not employed by, nor do I have any financial interest in, either DiscLanding or ZoneDriven. I am, however, a very satisfied customer of both.]

thanks for the tip.

I think I may have just stumbled on to the answer to why I don't turn over discs as easily as you all seem to....all my rounds are at or above 4500'. It all makes sense now...thinner air...wow...I feel vindicated.

i just started flipping my 161 orc

for me i like drivers 164-169, the 161 was working great but as of late i have been flippin it, very frusterating

Its been getting 'beat in'. It will flip alot more now. Try a new one of the same weight. Something tells me you will be back to 'not' turning it over.

i just started flipping my 161 orc

for me i like drivers 164-169, the 161 was working great but as of late i have been flippin it, very frusterating



I was flipping 172 Orc's into headwinds so I tried a Starfire and never went back.

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I like to throw drivers in the 169-172 range. I like the control and distance of this range. Generally, heavier discs are more predictable and easier to control. Lighter discs may get you some more distance, but would you rather be 25' short of the basket or 50' past? One thing about light discs is that they are less stable so they work nicely for hyser flips. I used to have a 150 DX Raven that I could throw about 380'.

For mids, I like to get as close to max weight as I can. I've never been a fan of mids under 170g.

The world distance record is currently held by a 167 DX Valkyrie.

Careful with that Starfire Primetime. Once it takes a bit of a beating it will start to act like your Orc, it just doesnt fly ay fast.

Thanks Rodney. That's good to know... :D

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I like lighter drivers for open air shots. They dont hyzer out as hard and will hold a straight line for me. I tend to go for 169g-172g for open air drivers.