I finally got a few today, and all I can say is WOW!!!! Based off the Element, the ElementX has a blunter nose, a slight concave on the wing, and a small bead.

The Element is a great disc used as a true fairway midrange, but the ElementX is THE disc off the tee. If you've ever thrown a Roc or a Buzzz, then you owe it to yourself and your game to check this thing out!!

The "S" ElementXs I have all fly like a DX Roc would, but stayed straighter just a tad longer and in "S" were obviously grippier.

The Super Glow is SUPER GRIPPY!! And with just 15 mins. under a flueroescent light, it stayed bright for several hours. Flies exactly like the regualar "S", but if I had to pick out a difference, I would say it was a tad more stable.

The "E" (Not to be confused with "CE"...Clear Evolution) flipped up a little more b/c of the slight (read: tolerable) dome, but hyzered more at the end,,,comparable to a KC Roc.

To sum things up: GET ONE!!! I have thrown a lot of midranges, and before the ElementX I have only considered 2 discs to be smooth: Rocs and Buzzzs. But the ElementX is THE disc....SMOOTH. Don't just shoot this disc down b/c you don't like other Gateway molds or whatnot. "S" plastic is widely regarded as the best low level plastic, and this mold is unbeatable. Get a few and see what all the hype is about!!

But the ElementX is THE disc....SMOOTH



I'm glad it's as smooth as the element. How is the disc as far as touch? I know it's kind of a trick for me with my element ,but VERY VERY worth the effort.

NICE! I want to buy Element X ! Where can I buy in Dallas/fort worth area?? thanks!

If those are all you consider "smooth" I have to ask if youve thrown a QMS.

If those are all you consider "smooth" I have to ask if youve thrown a QMS.



I have but I never really threw it off the tee. I used it for shots that I use the Element now.

But the ElementX is THE disc....SMOOTH



I'm glad it's as smooth as the element. How is the disc as far as touch? I know it's kind of a trick for me with my element ,but VERY VERY worth the effort.



You can get on it just like any Roc/Wasp/Buzzz/Whatever....this disc is "stable". Thrown hard, it goes straight and fades just a little at the end. You can also throw it with some anhyzer and it holds till the end where it bites out of it just a little.

There is no touch with the ElementX....it just goes where you want it to. :D

NICE! I want to buy Element X ! Where can I buy in Dallas/fort worth area?? thanks!



The website will be updated soon with both the Element and ElementX, but in the mean time call the shop and talk to Justin.

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NICE! I want to buy Element X ! Where can I buy in Dallas/fort worth area?? thanks!



The website will be updated soon with both the Element and ElementX, but in the mean time call the shop and talk to Justin.

[email protected]
[email protected]
(314) 487-5204
(314) 487-5266 FAX




You mean he'll answer the phone???

I want my free box! :D

*BUMP*

Mine need to come in so I can use them in the Dango this weekend /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

The flight is similar to a KC Roc or a Pro Line Gremlin, but with a bit more speed and glide. The "E" one's that I threw, you can snap with a touch of hyzer and they will flatten and fly very straight and then have a good fade back left. The "S" one's that I threw can be thrown flat and fly straight and then have a predictable left fade. I would say that the "E" has the more pronounced fade at the end of it's flight. I think that the Element-X is a perfect counter part to the original Element. If you get a chance...check em out. They definitely found a place in the bag right next to the demon's and the element's.

The flight is similar to a KC Roc or a Pro Line Gremlin, but with a bit more speed and glide. The "E" one's that I threw, you can snap with a touch of hyzer and they will flatten and fly very straight and then have a good fade back left. The "S" one's that I threw can be thrown flat and fly straight and then have a predictable left fade. I would say that the "E" has the more pronounced fade at the end of it's flight. I think that the Element-X is a perfect counter part to the original Element. If you get a chance...check em out. They definitely found a place in the bag right next to the demon's and the element's.



These are so sweet. They fly just the way I want a midrange to, and feel so great in "S" plastic. Get yours today!!

Kid roc,
We will send you out the box this week for the Titan Pro-24 name we are using for the "NEW Baskets".
Thank you and everyone else who participated.


Do you like all max weight or do you get into some of the lower weights like 170-176?
Are you still throwing the Element?


Ps,
We also ran some supersoft Wizards in the SUPERGLOW , which I dont think anyone has ever ran before, as well as some of the medium/firm in the SUPERGLOW!
We have played several rounds this past week at night using the Element, Element-X and supersoft and medium Wizards.
Like DDH said 15-20 minutes under a flourescent light and thats all you need for them to glow for the ride to the park and during THE ENTIRE ROUND!
It is so much more enjoyable to play a whole round without using a light.) Your eyes really start getting used to the dark and you can really hone in :cool:

Thanks Dave, make sure you send it to my new address (Bay Lakes).

I do like the Element and have an E (for straight shots) and a S (little beat and flips nice) in my bag.

Can't wait for the ElementX. Yes, I definetly prefer as close to max weight as possible.

I would love to get a couple of the Medium SuperGlow Wizards. I have an old glow Wizard and I love the feel of the plastic.

I picked up a glow evolution element, a clear evolution element, and an evolution element x. I wont' be throwing them this weekend. Maybe the new year I will be able to get out and throw them some.

I played a round today, using only Elements and ElementXs (Besides putting) and I only shot a few off my normal for the course.

These 2 discs can do ANYTHING.

Elements are perfect for soft approaches, turnovers, and they make a SWEET short range roller when beat up.

ElementXs are THE midrange!! Thrown flat, they stay that way with a slight hyzer at the end. The "E" ElementX flies smooth as hell in calm conditions, but the dome doesn't hold up as well in a headwind. Still haven't decided which I like most, "S" or "E" b/c they are both so sweet! I'll be hitting the field again to get a better feel for them in the wind. Into headwinds though, you're still best off throwing a Blaze.

Get an Element and ElementX today!!

http://www.gdstour.com/discs/element.html
http://www.gdstour.com/discs/elementx.html

Are these available in the CE evolution plastic yet?

I throw 180 "S" Element X. All I can said is WOW!!!!! Guys, You gotta try this! I am serious! It is even better than all Discraft mids. I am still loyal to ROCS. :DNow Element X is in my bag! :D

It is even better than all Discraft mids.



You must still be learning to throw Young GrassHopper! :D

Confucious say:"If you want to play with the big dogs, you can't pee like a puppy" :p

:D

I just got a Proto Element X from Gateway for Christmas. Is the proto different from the regular one? It feels great in my hand, if I can throw it well I might consider replacing my Pro-Line Gremlins with it.

I had an ace with an element the first time I threw it. It was my buddy's disc and he told me to throw with a touch of anny and nose up. I thought about throwing one but they are too similar to a d buzzz. How does the elementx compare to d buzzz'?

I would consider the s-element x to be more like a d-wasp. You can get on it and not have it flip. The e-element x you need to throw with a bit of hyzer on it and it will flip flat and then fade back left. I love the s-element x.

I throw 180 "S" Element X. All I can said is WOW!!!!! Guys, You gotta try this! I am serious! It is even better than all Discraft mids. I am still loyal to ROCS. :DNow Element X is in my bag! :D



Gee, I wonder where you got that! :o;) Glad you like it.

Yes, Big Thanks to Kid Roc! :cool:

Now I am thinking of wizard putter I used to have one when I started playing disc golf... Any idea that similar to Big Bead Grid Aviar (discontinued :() Medium Firm wizard? Thanks!

I have some Wizards. I can get you one or two if you want.

All right! Whenever I see you I will ask for wizard putter! :D

I am starting to love my element-x.

I was out playing a round with Mike Hoffman, Mitch Sonderfan, and MTL a couple days ago and I throw it on hole 18 as my fairway drive and land pretty close to the basket.

Mike looks at me and the following conversation ensues

Mike: Um....what was that
Me: Element-X
MTL: It is gateway
Mike: Yeah I knew that. I only know the demon and the apache. That thing isn't overstable.

The ElementX is THE disc!!! I'm really groovin' it, and it flies so smooth and consistant. As some one earlier said, if you like Rocs, give this thing a chance...."S" plastic blows DX away, and the mold feels sweet in the hand.

Went out today and played Cornwallis & Valley Springs in Durham, NC using only a Wizard, S Element & S Element X. Shot a 13 under at Cornwallis and a 10 under at Valley Springs....... I added the Elements to my bag a little over a week ago and and really liked the way they fly...... Until today I had never thrown the Wizard, but I can definitely see why people have been raving about them.

I'm still wondering if they're making the ElementX in any of that clear evolution plastic. anyone?

I'm still wondering if they're making the ElementX in any of that clear evolution plastic. anyone?



I have plenty of non clear "E" ElementXs, and I'm sure David is working on the ElementX in the clear stuff.

thanks Chris.

thanks Chris.



No problem.

Once again I need to get a hold of the element-x's and some more drivers or I will be forced to have to go back to Innova ; which I don't want to do. Everything I have that is Gateway I love but am starting to run low. :confused: :confused: :confused:

you would switch what discs you throw just because your stock is gettin low?

Nope it's the fact that I'm down to three gateway drivers and they are all overstable and I need something like a starfire to fill my bag. This could be resolved when my new box comes in but the way it's looking now its not going to happen. I have a tournament this weekend and was planning on playing all Gateway and promoting Gateways discs. :confused: :confused:

you would switch what discs you throw just because your stock is gettin low?


I assume he means he has a stock pile of Innova that he has smartly put in the closet that could be used to get by until he gets more plastic from Gateway. Get some element x's and some elements and drivers... no need to go back to that Innova stuff...

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you would switch what discs you throw just because your stock is gettin low?


I assume he means he has a stock pile of Innova that he has smartly put in the closet that could be used to get by until he gets more plastic from Gateway. Get some element x's and some elements and drivers... no need to go back to that Innova stuff...

www.gdstour.com (http://www.gdstour.com)

Gateway Disc Sports
236 Kingston Dr.
St.Louis, MO 63125

[email protected]

(314) 487-5204
(314) 487-5266 FAX



Matt:
The office was having some inbox problems, so email David directly: [email protected]

Good luck, and go Gateway!!

Sorry Chris... I should have known not to give Gateway props without your approval of the message first. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Sorry Chris... I should have known not to give Gateway props without your approval of the message first. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Its all good...you need not my approval...I'm just a loyal player who enjoys the products.

Hes a billboard. Good job in Osky though.

Hes a billboard. Good job in Osky though.



No *****, ace on No. 2? Nice job! Thanks for the Element-X, I've always hated on Gateway, but I'm lovin this disc!

Hes a billboard. Good job in Osky though.



No *****, ace on No. 2? Nice job! Thanks for the Element-X, I've always hated on Gateway, but I'm lovin this disc!



Thanks...the weird thing is that I hit basket first round on the same hole!

Is that the forty foot hole?

I don't know if this has been asked before but do they make the element x is the evolution plastic? If not, does anybody know if they are going to?

I have a couple Element X's in Evolution plastic. I know that some of the online retailers such as Disc N Dat and Sun King carry them. I'm sure if you would call Gateway they could hook you up. The Element X's I have are either white or kind of a white clear that are very stiff and kind of slick. I carry heavy S Elements for midrange anhyzers, a 177-180 S Element X for straight mid shots with a very small fade at the end and Evolution Element X's in 177-182 for hyzers and straight mid shots with a stronger fade at the end.

No, its probably 275, uphill a little, the one right after the 100-something hole

I don't know if this has been asked before but do they make the element x is the evolution plastic? If not, does anybody know if they are going to?



Evolution...yes..."CE"...not yet (That I know of, David could clarify) but very soon. (Maybe already, I haven't spoken to David in a little while.)

The "40'er" is hole 8.

Like I said before....

Evo ElementX is great. It can take a beating and the flight barely changes

The Glow Element, on the other hand, is now warped after it hit a tree very hard. It took a somewhat understable disc and made it more understable and for some reason it killed the glide on the disc.

Will

I think im picturing the wrong hole.I liked the Element better when it was called a QMS.

I liked the Element better when it was called a QMS.



?

Like I said before....

Evo ElementX is great. It can take a beating and the flight barely changes

The Glow Element, on the other hand, is now warped after it hit a tree very hard. It took a somewhat understable disc and made it more understable and for some reason it killed the glide on the disc.

Will



My frist Element is torn up! Its SO beat up, but its makes for an excelent short range control roller. Try it out!

Put it to the challenge.I picked up a E Element and couldnt beleive how much it resembles the QMS.If it throws like one itd have to be sweet.

Put it to the challenge.I picked up a E Element and couldnt beleive how much it resembles the QMS.If it throws like one itd have to be sweet.



Does the Element have the sharp bead like the MS? I have not thrown the QMS, but used to throw the original Aurora MS. I loved the way it flew, but the sharp underside was always an irritation. These days for midranges I throw the Z Wasp, Z Buzzz, and to keep DiscinDeadHead happy, a Demon for those shots where I really need a sharp left turn.

I only throw QMS'. And for those shots that need to hyser.A Whippet!

Put it to the challenge.I picked up a E Element and couldnt beleive how much it resembles the QMS.If it throws like one itd have to be sweet.



I'd say they are very comparable and fly very similar.

i've found the Shark to be almost identical in flight to my E element.

Well there goes my Proto Evolution Element-X...

I was out playing a course today and I hit a tree about 75-100 feet down the fairway. When I got my disc my friend and I discovered that the disc cracked almost completely into two pieces. And I had only thrown that disc a total of 15-20 times....and I was really liking it.

I got one of these and it feels kinda brittle compared to some other company's plastics...don't get me wrong, i love wizards, and miss my G3i's that got eaten by ponds and trees :(

The only run of E element-X's were stamped proto's.
They came out a little too firm ( and domey) for what we were looking for.
Look for the next run to be much softer, flatter and not likely to crack. This should also make them a little more overstable, which is what we were looking for.

Prototype runs are sometimes the best flying discs ever made in the mold, but often the polymer blends havent been fully figured out yet.
I'm not sure if you know, but the most sought after disc of all time is a beadless aviar which were mostly prototype runs.
They are awesome flyers and great approach discs right of the box.
The bad thing about this $40-$50 disc is they break really easy.
We will be sending down a box of discs to steven Frank soon.
Do you know him?
I think he is in Raleigh.
I can send him an extra disc or 2 to replace your broken one and he can get it to you.
If you ever place an order we can also add a few extra discs to ease your pain.

Cheat,
I havent really spent much time throwing that disc other than the day we made them.
Can you explain what type of flight you were getting before the fatality.
I have a SuperGlow Element-X and use it for line drive straight shots or subtle turns under 300. Mostly when I dont have the room to get the wizard up high enough.
The one thing I notice with the Element-X is they have a very definate range of distance, making it a great true mid-range disc.
A beat blaze is probably better for players with big power, who have the ability to control speeds and heights, but the element-X is a very beginner friendly disc that is easy to control at moderate speeds. What type of shots were you using the E version for?

I have a couple Element X's in Evolution and S plastic( the heaviest I could find locally were 177). I also have 4 Elements in Evolution and S plastic(all 183). The best way I could explain it would be that the Elements in Evolution are a lot more stable than in S and the Element X's in both plastics fly almost the same(when thrown hard). My Evolution Element X has a dome to it and the airfoil is not as concave. It is a really realiable disc it just doesn't fly much different than the same disc in S plastic.

Well we have a couple people that is starting to be gateway distributors here in the area. I know Robbie Dunn from Durham is starting to sell discs for y'all. Also Chuck(dunno his last name) down in Sanford has been selling gateway plastic for a while now.

The disc was sweet. I could throw it dead straight or I could have it hold a hyzer line the whole time. The hole that I threw the ElementX when it met its demise was a slight turnover hole. I normally threw this disc on holes that were between 250-300 feet.

I could tell that the plastic was a little firm, kinda like the old 8x/9x plastic. I also have a glow element and that disc flies just like a beat in 10x.

Steve Frank is a good friend of mine out of Winston-Salem. He's a good guy and will totally hook you up. Just tell him I sent you.

Is Robbie also a distributor now? Man, I should be getting a lot of plastic to test out when I'm back down that way...

David, any idea on when another run of E Element Xs (not the protos) will be run?

Does the Element have the sharp bead like the MS? I have not thrown the QMS, but used to throw the original Aurora MS. I loved the way it flew, but the sharp underside was always an irritation. These days for midranges I throw the Z Wasp, Z Buzzz, and to keep DiscinDeadHead happy, a Demon for those shots where I really need a sharp left turn.



The QMS and MS discs are beadless. I do know what you mean about the sharp edge though. I file/sand these edges off with my Leatherman tool and they feel and fly great. Qmegas have the same type of sharp flash, especially the CE ones. None of the elements I have felt have had sharp flash lines. The E element is particularly smooth, and feels great in the hand.

I just received my box of element-x's today and all I can say is WOW!!! I can throw them hard and flat and they hold a very smooth hyzer line or with an anhyzer that flattens out nicely. Also the "E" Spirit is the shiznit! Dave I also like the green "E" element justin sent and I is sooooooooo smooth, and tell justin that we can play for the rights to the nickname. :D:D

Yeah Robbie is a distributor now. He has some wizards, elements, and i think illusions. I have heard a lot of good things from others about the elements. These people would have never thrown Gateway unless Robbie was a distributor.

I just received my box of element-x's today and all I can say is WOW!!! I can throw them hard and flat and they hold a very smooth hyzer line or with an anhyzer that flattens out nicely. Also the "E" Spirit is the shiznit! Dave I also like the green "E" element justin sent and I is sooooooooo smooth, and tell justin that we can play for the rights to the nickname. :D:D



Yeah, the ElementX is the [*****].

Are you talking about the candy "E" Spirits? B/C if you are...they are the [*****] as well. "E" Spirits and "H" Illusions fly far!

Nope not the CE but it flies like my broken in "s" spirit. I need to get a hold of the "h" illusions when Dave makes another run of them. :D:D

Nope not the CE but it flies like my broken in "s" spirit. I need to get a hold of the "h" illusions when Dave makes another run of them. :D:D



Yeah, the CE start out like Speed Demons, but break in nicely. The non clear E Spirits are pretty nice out of the box!

Anyone have a cheap(er) used or x-out 01 CE Roc for sale???

Thanks for the kind words, Steve.

I'm still getting on my feet, but my first box is on the way.

I've played DG for less than a year, so my perspective is similar to the other 90% of newbies out there. I'm just trying to get better, and have a blast in the process.

I can be reached at [email protected] Email me, and I will send you further contact information. I spend most weekends at Yadkinville, so contact me or come on by if you want to see what I've got for sale.

Thank you Gateway for letting me onto the Team!

Welcome aboard.

Thanks DeadHead. :cool:

Its nice to be a part of a company where everyone is as cool as I am...lol :D

I Finally had a chance to throw the Element-X.
I love how you can really crank it without flipping it over. Flies very straight, with a touch of fade at the end. New, it also holds a flattened hyzer well. Very reliable disc.
One other thing I like is that the rim is a bit shallower than a Roc or Shark, which is good for folks with smaller hands and/or shorter fingers. And, of course, the S plastic makes it super grippy!

On a related note, I was able to get a new player to throw the Element. He was able to get nice flat lines out of it with little power. Gotta love how smooth both the Element and the Element-X fly.

The Element will go in as a good replacement for a Stingray: A nice long floating turnover.

With the new Element and Element X in my bag, I don't think I'll ever carry another Stingray, Roc or Shark during a round of golf.

Just my half-cent.

We just ran some E and H element-X's this week and should get them stamped by early next week.
The E are mostly all white and are less firm than the 1st run.
They seem to have a much longer glide than the S element-X's and are pretty straight flying discs that will fade just a little at the end.
We ran a prototype batch of 20 red E that were much softer but I havent had a chance to throw them yet.
*
We also ran some illusions and Spirits in the E and H as well as a few E speed demons.

For the GLOW in the dark Players we ran some Spirits in the super glow to add to the Element, element-X and Wizards in the longer lasting glow material!

We just ran some E and H element-X's this week and should get them stamped by early next week.
The E are mostly all white and are less firm than the 1st run.
They seem to have a much longer glide than the S element-X's and are pretty straight flying discs that will fade just a little at the end.
We ran a prototype batch of 20 red E that were much softer but I havent had a chance to throw them yet.
*
We also ran some illusions and Spirits in the E and H as well as a few E speed demons.

For the GLOW in the dark Players we ran some Spirits in the super glow to add to the Element, element-X and Wizards in the longer lasting glow material!



David:
Are the Spirits you ran candy?
And the "H" Illusions...do they fly like the other batch?

Can't wait to come down there....will email you when its closer. (Spring Break that is)

Steve great to hear you're on bard! Holla when you can! Droppin 5 stars on ya ahora! mismo! :DHold an S element 4 me pleeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzz!

Chris,
The E has a good % of the Candy type plastic in the mix but they are not translucent. They are extremely durable though as I tested a few head on into a brick wall without phazing them much.
Justin and I went out right before dark last night and threw a bunch of shots with the E and H element-X's, illusions and Spirits.
There is a run of puffy illisuions that really resemble the shape of the Disc Wing Prototypes. They are pretty much straight flying right out of the box. The spirits are pretty beefy and REALLY REALLY fast. Both Justin and I got a few shots over 500' with the Illusions and Spirits, even in the 20 degree weather
It may take a bit more than flexing to get The new run of E broken in as the plastic is wound pretty tight.
The H and E Element-X's have a lot more glide then The S like I Stated in the last post. They can be turned a little right out of your hand and will flex back out similiar to a broken in S blaze, excpet they can be thrown slower while still penetrating forward.

All of the runs we threw seems to be very tacky and grippy on the surface. The H is probably the Best cold weather plastic I have ever seen, as they didnt get any stiffer at all because of the cold!!!!

haha...

yeah...i dont' think that cold weather will affect the firmness of a firm wizard either.

Thats great news! Can't wait to throw some new plastic when the snows finally gone up here!

hey ddh- what is the [currently run and avaliable] least stable plastic of the elements? not element-x, but regular elements. thx

hey ddh- what is the [currently run and avaliable] least stable plastic of the elements? not element-x, but regular elements. thx



That should be the Element in S plastic...... Sweet disc too!

hey ddh- what is the [currently run and avaliable] least stable plastic of the elements? not element-x, but regular elements. thx



That should be the Element in S plastic...... Sweet disc too!



Yeah, probably the "S" although my "H"/"E" Element flipped pretty good...that is until my GF's dog Diablo ran the thing down after I threw an anniebomb over her house.

I can't wait to get some soft/tacky E-element-X's!

Sorry, but I just have to share this. I shot my best round ever over the weekend. I demolished my previous best by FIVE strokes. I couldn't miss a putt, which makes all the difference in the world. This game is actually fun when you can putt.

That S-element is the best roller discs I've ever seen! I won't even tell you how far... :eek:

Thanks Gateway!

That S-element is the best roller discs I've ever seen! I won't even tell you how far...




Yeah, I've got one beat as hell that goes wherever I want it. Haven't pumped one out there yet (I don't roll to well as of now) but its a great control roller for me.

Even brand new, the S-element rolls fantastically!

What was that noise???it sounded like a garbage can lid hitting the ground......ow it was a gateway.....

What was that noise???it sounded like a garbage can lid hitting the ground......ow it was a gateway.....



Dude. Its one thing to bash Gateway on other threads, but thats just uncalled for to come on a thread about a Gateway disc and make that kind of post. In the past, I've been totally ridiculed (Deservadly so I admit) for pushing a Gateway disc on threads about other discs. You've just done the opposite, and its immature.

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What was that noise???it sounded like a garbage can lid hitting the ground......ow it was a gateway.....

So DB, someone using gateway recently Spanked you and this is all you have to say?

Let me guess what company a guy of your inteligence would represent. :eek:
Now Let me guess what your player rating and career earnings would be.

same fella who said something like "serious golfers don't believe in par 4's" Still LMFAO at that one. CLASSIC

Anyone that wants to step up with their oh so precious, beloved Champion edition blah, blah. I'll take em' on with my 5 dollar gateway discs, and lay waste to any takers!! I said it, WHAT!!!!! :mad:

them their are fighting words!

What was that noise???it sounded like a garbage can lid hitting the ground......ow it was a gateway.....



I feel sorry for people who have to hide behind the internet in order to be able to direct their inadequacies outward toward other people.

Perhaps if you spend less time looking for "where da herb at", and more time working on your people skills you wouldn't be hated by everyone who knows you.

Your foolishness does nothing to anger me. I pity you. Have you always been a sore loser?

Have you ever even tried Gateway I didn't until this year at worlds and had the same thoughts before that. To my suprise I like them switched over to all Gateway and my game has elevated to about 990. I just hope it stays there. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

switched over to all Gateway and my game has elevated



Ditto. I switched because it was the best thing for my game.

Its that simple.

all thats easy to say when your in a different state.......lighten up about your stupid gateways,........now knowing how much it pisses you off I will do it more often...... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I dont know anyone that every switched to Gateway and became better. They practiced harder and got better. If you Gateway groupies wish to believe that then what you are developing is a crutch. This is what I dont understand you will go into other threads and promote Gateway discs but get offended when someone comes back at you? I think the best cut Ive heard is that Gateways plastic is ground up army men.If your rating went up to 999 or whatever and you attribute that to Gateways discs then your a sucker with no self confidence.99% of the people who constantly talk up Gateway are benefiting from the company by either being sponsored or through distribution.Who wouldnt brag about a disc they are paying 4$ for and selling for 8-10$? thats salesmanship.Im for Gateway because of what they do for Ams,not for thier plastic.And, Ill play any of you with your Gateway discs for cash.If you win,its because YOU won ,not because of your discs.Tell me one thing any Gateway disc does that no other disc will do.Can you?

Om Mani Padme Hum

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What was that noise???it sounded like a garbage can lid hitting the ground......ow it was a gateway.....

So DB, someone using gateway recently Spanked you and this is all you have to say?

Let me guess what company a guy of your inteligence would represent. :eek:
Now Let me guess what your player rating and career earnings would be.



How is that relevent at all? I throw mainly Innova so what are you trying to say? I dont think any Gateway players have won a World title,nor a distance title or a putting challenge.

BTW Dave what mold is the Element based off of? and a few more questions: what companys discs are yours based off of? did you create all the molds yourself? And why is it that all your discs are "compareable" to a certain type of Innova disc if they are so superior?

What was that noise???it sounded like a garbage can lid hitting the ground......ow it was a gateway.....



I've thrown Gateway discs, carried them in my bags at certain points and have nothing against them, their plastic, their discs, their company, their players, etc etc etc.

However I have to admit that is true...Gateway discs SOUND different...hitting the ground or the chains. Whenever I throw my demon and it hits the ground players on adjacent holes look up, wondering what that odd sound was. :D

That is very true. I have noticed it as well.

So many people repel anything that is different or that they don't understand. If you think Gateway is a crappy company that makes crappy discs, you have a right to that opinion.

Please keep those comments to yourself. It is okay to express constructive criticism but don't stoop to the level of bashing.

Of course I understand the difference between coincidence and causality.

I prefer the feel of the S plastic to any other plastic from any other company out there. A solid grip, in turn, leads to a solid rip...even if its just the mental confidence gained by knowing that I have a good non-slip grip on the disc. I also find that the "soft" wizard is grippy but not floppy (like a blowfly or soft magnet).

It all comes down to a matter of personal preference. That is the bottom line. I'll throw whatever it takes to score well. I would expect others to do the same.

I threw Gateway for several months before choosing to distribute their products. I was digging their stuff so much I was promoting it without incentive. DG is my hobby, not my job. I just want to have fun.

Also, I've never jumped into a thread just to pitch Gateway. Thats a false generalization. Thats still different than the foo who doesn't even make a positive statement about another disc, just a negative one about a Gateway disc.

I wasnt defending his statement.I have bashed Gateway before about thier E Wizard.Dave countered my point and I took it out and put it to the test.I reconsidered my prior statements and printed a retraction.As far as the comments below, great, well see if your correct in the long haul.

Also, I've never jumped into a thread just to pitch Gateway. Thats a false generalization. Thats still different than the foo who doesn't even make a positive statement about another disc, just a negative one about a Gateway disc.

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I've pitched Gateway on other threads, but have since limited such behavior and appologized for being too aggressive.

And as far as molds, David makes all the molds and only uses comparisons to show people like you what the disc can do. We compare them so that you will know what they can do b/c you won't throw them on your own.

And its mostly just "H" plastic that sounds different.

Nor was Gateway around when the last few world champs started playing.

1st off I didnt ask you.Are you Dave ? "We" compare them? I said it before and Ill say it again I HAVE THROWN GATEWAYS PLASTIC> Im not running off at the mouth and your completely missing the point.If your gonna talk smack about a company that you compare yourself too then you are being ignorant.MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND MY POSTS BEFORE YOU ANSWER FOR SOMEONE ELSE.Beleive it or not Gateway existed long before you came along.Never include me into your "people like you " quotes ever again, as a friend of mine was one of Daves Slaves and can tell me anything you can and more.It was also through this friendship that I was able to test fly and was given Gateway discs of MY CHOICE, and that includes the stuff you throw and I question.Mind your business DDH as I wasnt even talking to you.

And another thing, after the Wizard fiasco I sent Dave a PM and we bantered there,then I reviewed the disc and sent him a detailed review, for which in turn he asked if I had intrest in test flying more products, so obviously I have legs to stand on.

1st off I didnt ask you.Are you Dave ? "We" compare them? I said it before and Ill say it again I HAVE THROWN GATEWAYS PLASTIC> Im not running off at the mouth and your completely missing the point.If your gonna talk smack about a company that you compare yourself too then you are being ignorant.MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND MY POSTS BEFORE YOU ANSWER FOR SOMEONE ELSE.Beleive it or not Gateway existed long before you came along.Never include me into your "people like you " quotes ever again, as a friend of mine was one of Daves Slaves and can tell me anything you can and more.It was also through this friendship that I was able to test fly and was given Gateway discs of MY CHOICE, and that includes the stuff you throw and I question.Mind your business DDH as I wasnt even talking to you.



I think someone needs a nap.

Thanks Kid roc!
Can we get back on the thread now?
We just ran some of the element-X in H and a softer E.
They seem to have a longer glide and are a little more overstable on deceleration. I dont think its a disc that can be reverse jerked but it can be slightly turned right out of the hand with a lot of torque and fly straight for a long way.
The H is a great Cold weither plastic as it doesnt seem to get stiff even down in the teens.

Sorry about the Daves Slaves remark.I was cranky, and I did need a nap.

Chase:

I was responding to the other fella. I know where you come from. If you notice, even though I wasn't quoting, I was refering to things that guy said.

And I was refering to Gateway being around since 1996(ish) vs. Innova/Discraft a long time ago.

And "We" was refering to me and anyone who defends Gateway.

I should have done this a long time ago, but from now on I'm only making posts when people have a Gateway question. I can't suggest a Gateway disc when a noob ask "Whats a good disc" w/o being hated on. Even though every one in the world defends their favorite, I get rashed on because mine is Gateway. I've done away with over whorring the discs, and I still get slammed and ripped. Use a PM for petes sakes. You don't need to do that on the main threads. So no more posting...seems like you can speak your mind as long as its not about Gateways products.

Hey chump, yeah you 20460. I'll kick your [*****] with a friggin' wham-o!!!! If i was playin' with gateway, i would really kick your [*****]!!! Any further comments, I'll see you at the USDGC's. Where i will be cashing again with my gateway plastic. If you are any kind of a REAL golfer, I'll see you there(If you are lucky)!!! :eek:

Sorry about the Daves Slaves remark.I was cranky, and I did need a nap.



Glad I could help. Apparently there is a fine line between being scarcastic and being helpful. ;)

I knew I had the ability to play well with my old Innova stuff It was just the fact that I didn't do it. I do not give full credit for my sudden jump in playing ability to gateway discs, but the elements and blazes certaintly helped. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I knew I had the ability to play well with my old Innova stuff It was just the fact that I didn't do it. I do not give full credit for my sudden jump in playing ability to gateway discs, but the elements and blazes certaintly helped. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Shouldn't you be in class? :eek:

I hear ya though, my game was likely to develope anyways, but I really attribute a lot to David helping me out, and consistant plastic.

You are right on there. I didn't mean to get agro with that last post. The bottom line is that it is all about the player, and not the plastic. What i mean is that different discs work for different people. If poeple don't want to try a certain product because of whatever, so be it. They may be missing out on a disc that could improve their game, and that is simply their loss. I had success throwing a wide variety of plastic in my am years. Most times i had innova, discraft, and Gateway in my bag. Dave has developed his line of high speed drivers and midrange to compliment the wizard, blaze, demon and sabre. I've thrown every mold available on the market. There is no doubt, for my game, that Gateway discs are the best. Like i said, that may not be the case for everyone. I have had many touring pros(sponsored by someone else than Gateway) compliment highly on many of their models. In the end, it's all about the choice you make as a player. But you might be missing out on something that could work for you. :D

I am now in school helping out with a blood drive for student council. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Little late for that $^%head. You call me a chump and know nothing about me.You are completely anonomous and want to call me out? I live in Illinois and anytime you think your bad enough, come on through, but remember to drink your courage first.
P>S> If its all about the player then why argue with me stupid? That was exactly what I said.I wasnt on here slamming Gateway, and if you dont like posts in a public forum tuff chit.

This on-line feud between Mad Town 78 and 20460Chase is getting interesting, especially if Mad Town 78 is who I am 99% sure it is. Keep it nice boys, since I THINK you know each other!

I am too lazy to go back through all of these old posts, so I am going to ask a question that I am sure has already been addressed. I like to throw normal boring DX Rancho Rocs. I have several Rocs in my bag that range from over- to understable. I generally throw Rocs on holes that are between 250 and 320 feet (depending on wind, elevation, height, etc). Do you Gateway devotees throw Elements on holes such as these? I played several events with George and Justin this summer, and I recall that they were throwing Wizards for these shots. Could someone provide some feedback as to flight, plastic, and grip characteristics? Maybe that will be enough to get this lil' ol' thread back on topic...

Its ok Chase you can calm down. Everyone knows you think your the best AM golfer in Illinois and its not hard to believe that since Pat Blake and Shawn Butler were the only good AM golfers from your state anyway and now they are gone so ANYONE could be the best :eek:

We shall see if you can back up your talk on the course this year :D

Good luck to you.

By the way Climo says its not the arrow its the indian :D

Its ok Chase you can calm down. Everyone knows you think your the best AM golfer in Illinois and its not hard to believe that since Pat Blake and Shawn Butler were the only good AM golfers from your state anyway and now they are gone so ANYONE could be the best :eek:

We shall see if you can back up your talk on the course this year :D

Good luck to you.

By the way Climo says its not the arrow its the indian :D



Elements/ElementXs were ,molded yet when you probably played with the. And most pros would throw a putter on those types. Me personally, the AM that I am I throw Elements and ElementXs on those holes (Situation pending) so yes.

Thats completely untrue.I do not feel that way about myself.I do think as far as Ams go the town I live in has the best.I welcome anyone to come and find out.

the E Wizard can take alot of snap, more than most putters and I threw it on holes Id consider a Mid range on.A little hyser and alot of snap.

Thanks Chris, that was a fast response. Unfortunately, it really didn't answer my question. Technically, most pros do not throw Aviars/Challengers/Wizards on holes over 300 feet. In the few tournament rounds that I played with Justin and George this summer, there were a few situations where it seemed like a midrange disc was a better option than overpowering a putter. On the other hand, who am I to second guess two guys who finished in the top 15 at Worlds?

I know that Gateway did not run the Element until after the summer, so I am curious if any of the pros are throwing it currently. The closest Gateway-sponsored pro to Chicago is Doug C, and I probably won't see him until the Cracked Plastic Classic.

Thanks for any responses!

The element X flightwise is very similar to an overstable roc. Last summer there are many situations where i would throw a wizard in the 250-300 range. I still do in a tailwind situation. But the element X flies much better in cross and head wind situations. It also has a slight fade at deceleration(to the left for right handed throwers). The element is about half the stability of the X. Making it great for long straight shots with no fade, or for long turnovers with great predictability. I played with you the last round at token creek last year, John. :p

Dave, did Mike Fritz have a element proto at the team tourney in Peoria last spring?

I am not dave, but I do know that the disc wasn't finished being molded until early last october.

Chase,
The Element came out in the summer.

I hope we can have that team event again this year.
Would the Q city boys be willing to come to St Louis or maybe Ozark Mountain?. That would be really sweet if we could have that event at Ozark.

I wont say a word ......yet :eek:

Thanks Chris, that was a fast response. Unfortunately, it really didn't answer my question. Technically, most pros do not throw Aviars/Challengers/Wizards on holes over 300 feet. In the few tournament rounds that I played with Justin and George this summer, there were a few situations where it seemed like a midrange disc was a better option than overpowering a putter. On the other hand, who am I to second guess two guys who finished in the top 15 at Worlds?

I know that Gateway did not run the Element until after the summer, so I am curious if any of the pros are throwing it currently. The closest Gateway-sponsored pro to Chicago is Doug C, and I probably won't see him until the Cracked Plastic Classic.

Thanks for any responses!



I'm pretty sure that both George and Justin are throwing Elements/ElementXs now. Only seems right.

dont tell me that the cracked classic is sponsored by gateway.... :eek:

So, are you saying that you wouldn't come because the tourney is sponsored by Gateway?! Gateway provides great sponsorship for every tourney that they sponsor. Why you have something against that I have no idea. Try posting something that someone actually wants to read, and try pulling your face up off the bong!!! ;)

Hey Mad Town,

I thought that was you! Needless to say, you played very well that last round. I thought if I played well I would get one of the USDGC qualifying spots, but I never got anything going. That was the story of my weekend! To think that there was a four-way tie for that spot and everyone made it...well, there is always next year. I am sure I will see you this summer, as I would like to make it up to play more events in Wisconsin.

Thanks for your review of the Element. Would you say that the Element-X is similar to a Rancho Roc and an Element is similar to an Ontario Roc? I will have to try some of the Gateway discs since I have heard good things about the plastic and the company.

The element X is more like a rancho. Where as the element is more like a cobra with better penetration and glide. I think you would like the X the most of the 2. They should be available in all three types of plastic S, H, and E. I have only thrown the S, which is the best plastic for midrange drivers.(for me anyway)! I also think you would like the spirit. To me it is like a firebird with more speed. Get that in E. :D

I too prefer the ElementX off the tee for most situations, but brand new an "S" Element is a money flip disc. Throw it real hard with hyzer and she flips and glides to the right (RHBH). Definatly try both out. I have "S" ElementXs, "S" Elements and "CE" Elements in the bag and anxiously await trying out the newer run of "E" ElementXs and of course "H" ElementXs!

Thanks for all of the responses. I will try an S Element X. I figure that any disc that can be abbreviated as "SEX" is worth a shot!

As for some of the other molds, I want to try a Wizard for driving on short holes (>250 feet), especially since I am out of big bead Aviars. The Spirit and Illusion interest me as well, but to avoid thread drift, I will post questions about these discs in the "Ask Dave Mac" thread.

Thanks again for the help!

Dave, If you didnt recieve PM the answer would be "probaly on the team deal"...I never played the Ozark course but would definatley like 2, as I have heard that its one of the best courses ever. As well as the most challenging, which intrests me the most.

where you at with some pics .....

scratch that...

Chase,
I think Mike Fritz is going to get started on the TEAM thing this week.
We were waiting for the pdga tournaments dates to find A nice slot in March or April.

Getting Back to the Element X thread we have plenty of H and E in stock now to go with the S.
The White E are the Most overstable and the H seem to have a longer glide than the S.
All H and the S are only slightly different in stability so plastic preference is the only difference.
The E are slightly overstable and have a consistant fade at the end when thrown flat. They can still be thrown straight by relasing the discs with a slight turnover right out of the hand. They fade back nice for a VERY CONTROLLED line drive Flight.

Most E are White and a few are Red but there is a run of Softer flatter Black ones than I havent thrown yet.

the plastic flies different and not the disc?....explain..

I just recieved a red E Element X and an E Element. The Element is white and I have been throwing it it is a great turnover disc. I have yet to throw the red Element-X but I can tell you it is super sweet feeling. I like the moisture marks . Can't wait to try the Element X

I'm not sure what question you want answered.

I'm not sure what question you want answered.


I think he was asking how the different plastic affects the flight while still in the same mold. I have a basic understanding of why, but would love to get a better one and I know you can offer it. Thanks again, Dave.

I can't fully answer that, but it happens in every company. I've heard plenty of ******** from a few locals how their Pro Orcs are flippy as hell. I think it has to do with surface friction and how much the plastic shrinks and/or domes up.

Speaking of Pro Orc, with a max weight disc you can throw this thing with rediculous high hyzer and you get a BOMB.

Catch a tailwind, forget about it... it is a much different disc than the champ orc, so yes, all companies have inconsistencies as plastic is fickle.

BTW, Good job Gateway on sponsoring AMS. Shot out to ShaneST and Will K. promoting Gateway in NY/CT.

The 1st run of Pro Orcs were made with a less durable plastic and were flippy, the 2nd run Pro Orcs were more overstable and are reminesent of SE Valks, to me.

Dave, any word on the team tourney? Ozarks?

The 1st run of Pro Orcs were made with a less durable plastic and were flippy, the 2nd run Pro Orcs were more overstable and are reminesent of SE Valks, to me.




BTW,

I use the second run Pro Orc for my hyzer flip..

Sorry again for Commandeering the Element X thread...

I've heard nothing but great things about the Element and Element X from Shane ST.

Well....gateway dont mess around when it comes to testing plastic....they want you to test them all.......they sent me every disc in the factory today......never thrown much gateway always stayed away from it...leaving now to see how they do.....keep ya'll posted.. :p

Well....gateway dont mess around when it comes to testing plastic....they want you to test them all.......they sent me every disc in the factory today......never thrown much gateway always stayed away from it...leaving now to see how they do.....keep ya'll posted.. :p



Bet you have a hard time putting down the Demons after its all said and done! :D

I dont think I got a demon....but I know they are very overstable......They sent me a blaze and I like it for knife and thumber shots....the illusion is the best of them all....the E and H plastic is right up their with innova and discraft....I threw it next to my orc with the same power behind it and it went just as far...the s plastic illusion is very overstable...it flies like a firebird....and gets beat up fast..but it is dx plastic so what do you expect....the supersoft wizard is good but it is bouncy, it bounced out of the basket like 3 times......the jerry stamps are nice and those will be staying with me...overall I am very impressed with the new plastics....and I will be throwing them and having everyone else throw them too...unforunitly I lost the evolution that they sent on the first hole and didn't throw it but once so I dont know.......I think it was the only understable disc I got besides the putters....I will get it back.................the illusion was the best performing disc they sent....well maybe I did get a demon....it has a monkey on it ....it's a midrange right?

Yeah, its an extremely overstable midrange...a favorite among those who have only tried a few Gateway discs.

I can't wait for some of the "H" illusions. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Yeah, its an extremely overstable midrange...a favorite among those who have only tried a few Gateway discs.



" Much like a _______________" LOL. Only kidding.

I can't wait for some of the "H" illusions. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Here here!! I'm gonna try and get a few when I go down there over spring break!!!

Yeah, its an extremely overstable midrange...a favorite among those who have only tried a few Gateway discs.



" Much like a _______________" LOL. Only kidding.



Hmmm.... I wonder what Chase is tryingto say.... :D

I'm down to a Speed demon, two useable spirits and a crap spirit. :confused: :confused:

They sent me a blaze and I like it for knife and thumber shots....the illusion is the best of them all....the E and H plastic is right up their with innova and discraft....I threw it next to my orc with the same power behind it and it went just as far...the s plastic illusion is very overstable...it flies like a firebird....and gets beat up fast..but it is dx plastic so what do you expect....the supersoft wizard is good but it is bouncy, it bounced out of the basket like 3 times......the jerry stamps are nice and those will be staying with me...overall I am very impressed with the new plastics....and I will be throwing them and having everyone else throw them too......




Good on ya man.

Peace

I got an Illusion last year at the Gateway Tourny last year at Cedarock in my player's package and it is very overstable. Was there a run of Illusions that are more overstable than the others?

I just ordered 10 discs including Elements and Element Xs. Can anyone tell me more about those "E" Element and Element X How it compares to "S"? Same? Thanks Can't wait to get those soon. :D

A friend told me that the lighter weight Illusions were more stable then the higher weights.Can anyone verify this?

I heard something about a possible new Gateway member in North Texas.

He is good!

Dave, you will DEFINETLY want to hold onto this guy.

Dave did you remember to send me those info things? :confused: :confused:

It would be cool for the next Gateway driver with a thinner rim. This would be cool because I can't throw my accuracy grip with spirits or illusions because of the width. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I just ordered 10 discs including Elements and Element Xs. Can anyone tell me more about those "E" Element and Element X How it compares to "S"? Same? Thanks Can't wait to get those soon. :D


My E element is just about dead stable while my S elements (glo and normal S) are a little understable and can flip hard if you want them too. The E holds a nice line and only flips if you really get on it. The Element X will flip but it doesn't roll right as hard as the Element and will die just slightly back left as it slows down.

I have learned to use the element-x for high anhyzers because the fade at the end of its flight gives it the extra "D" it needs to get on those slightly out of range shots. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Matt,
You should see the Evolution "E" Element-X's we ran tonight.
There are really sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I bet they are but are they good enough to replace my blazes? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I bet they are but are they good enough to replace my blazes? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



I thought the same thing when the Element/ElementX came out, but I've been throwing the new guys a ton lately. Still keep Blazes in the bag, but they see less action these days.

I went out and reposesed my evolution E plastic....it says proline dont think its a x...its says G1i on it....all I know is the plastis is sick and it is a great flipper....it love long anhyzers.....it s's out and flies strait..not realy left just strait to the ground....it got out their 450.....and the H plastic illusion is the gateway orc.....nice job.... :D


this new yorker/texan is impressed!!!!

The G1i is a Sabre, and can be BOMBED when thrown right. Shawn Sinclair gets those things out over 600'!!!

And as far as "H" Illusions go...yeah, they are the [*****]! Can't wait to get a few new ones...mines too broken in and all it does is go 400' :D...not a bad thing, but I want a new one that still hyzers.

Why is it that I can only get my sabre out to 400' then? I can't wait for the Waco Chartity Open to throw some bombs over the river. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

The S sabres have good penetration, but don't get near the glide as a domed up "E" G1i/sabre. I have a 170gr. "E" sabre, with the right wind(left to right tail) I can get it to go over 500'. When you get them into the jet stream they get the best S curve ever! Make sure you get some domey lighter versions in the "E" plastic. :D

The Blaze is still a better pro disc for shots over 300 but for the 250- 300 range it will be easier to land than backing off of a blaze( unles its broken in just right and your really good to befin with).
The Element-X can also be thrown very hard low because of the glide and even flex out if reversed out of the hand.
I know exactly what you mean though as the Blaze is really underated. It is more of a power mid-range while the E element X can be throw with less speed and still be effective.
My guess is the Blaze is still better into a strong wind.

My guess is the Blaze is still better into a strong wind.



It certainly is for me. Strong wind flips my S_Element_X over quickly.

The Blaze is still a better pro disc for shots over 300 but for the 250- 300 range it will be easier to land than backing off of a blaze( unles its broken in just right and your really good to befin with).
The Element-X can also be thrown very hard low because of the glide and even flex out if reversed out of the hand.
I know exactly what you mean though as the Blaze is really underated. It is more of a power mid-range while the E element X can be throw with less speed and still be effective.
My guess is the Blaze is still better into a strong wind.



Yeah, I still throw them into winds.

Message Board Distance has infested another thread.

Mine says evolution pro-line....and g1i.....if its a sabre why does it say evolution????

It is the Evolution plastic or "E". /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

It is the Evolution plastic or "E". /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



I'm guessing you have one with the bar looking text stamp. But yeah, its a Sabre. I think you're confusing Evolution with Element.

si senor...thanx...

The blaze is no doubt the most underated disc on the market. Not too many people have figured this disc out, but the ones who have will never give it up. I know that John E. McCray likes to throw them for long turnovers and distance shots, but for me it's like the perfect long, stable mid-driver. What I mean by mid-driver is that it is very similar in flight to the element-x, but has better wind penetration and speed overall. I love it for those 300-325' head wind shots. Always a predictable fade at the end of the flight. :D

Message Board Distance has infested another thread.


Chase,
Good point but I only partially agree.
Is the comment based on the players gauging their own distance or the discs ability?
I dont think all players realize what 400 plus distances are and I'm sure some players are referring to their BEST distance throws and not just thier typical golf shots.
I think most players would be surprised if their " typical tee pad drives " were measured.
BTW I would go by whats on a tee sign unless you measured it your self!
There is a HUGE difference between 400 and 500 and almost impossible to get anything over 500 (with any discs) with a tee pad golf shot.
Since this thread is basically about "OUR" discs I will rspind with proven info.

Are you saying you dont think the Sabre can go 450'plus or Blazes can get 400? I ve seen Johnny McCray throw his Demon way over 400'
I have personally thrown the E sabres over 500'on sevaral occasions and measured a few around 535 to be exact.
These throws were with a 20-25 MPH wind and thrown with a 360 turnaround 50-60 feet high, so definaitely a distance shot and not a golf shot.
I have no problem getting a sabre to go 400 off a tee pad though.
Since I know Shawn has a little more D than me, I wouldnt be surprised if you has gotten a few near 600.
More than likely though he can get 450 with a sabre on a regular basis.
I seen him throw a 157 gram speed demon WAY over 650 with a 30 MPH right to left, backdoor wind, behind our old shop. It hit on a hill that far away and about 10 feet above the level where we were standing.
Most players dont even know how to throw BIG D with nack door wind

Only recently have I been able to get any of are High Speed drivers much over 500.
Justin and I threw a box of about 50 Illusions and Spirits a few weeks back and we had many shots of 500, a few to 550 and Justin got one spirit about 575. It was a 40 degree day with a light wind so I know we can get them a little further if it was a little warmer.

Mad town,
The one thing I notice most about the E element-X's are that they WONT fly as far as a Blaze, which is a very good thing. They are truly a mid-range disc because of their range. The ELX has a wider window of speed it can be thrown and the distances wind up with a much tighter grouping. This is due to the ratio of wing weight to flightplate weight. It is less gyroscoipic and more cetrifugal wich is the differnce between distance and control.
The ELX is and awesome control disc with just the right amount of glide. The E plastic may be a bit too overstable for some players to throw and land flat on shots of 300 and they may need to reverse it some out of the hand.
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The fade back is so subtle though that it's almsot as if its flying flat the whole way.
The H are a little less flat than the E and have a little more glide and less fade.
We will work on getting a little dome out of the S plastic Element-X's soon as they appear to glide better if they are not as flat.

Very informative Dave. I had to read it twice b/c it kept my interest. Nice!

Well, I guess what Im saying is IF I could throw remotely close to 500ft on flat ground, I would enter a distance competition. I know who Shawn Sinclair is, though I have never played with him or Johnny McCray and wasnt at all questioning thier distance or supposed distance. I never am reffering to someones supposed distance as questionable because of the disc.I think that because of a strong wind distance type of drive you are bringing up its not logical to compare to a golf shot. I do agree that people would be suprised as to how far they really throw. I practice on a football field.I understand throwing past 400ft. and how difficult it is. I also understand parking a 530ft hole thats got 30ft of elevation off the tee isnt nearly the same as a 450ft flat shot.

I dont question that a Blaze or Sabre or whatever can be thrown far.What I am saying is alot of discs could reach great distance if thrown for distance,not on a course.How many opportunities do you get to throw a 30ft high super Ahny?

As far as message board D in general I leave a open ended challenge for you to hit a real football or soccer field and test your distance with " tournament level" shots.In other words not 30ft high Ahnys, or 360' snaphysers or whatever you have to do to reach maximum distance.Just strait up drives.If you make it back n forth 6 x with 25 discs thats 150 drives, and after a week you will know what your average distance is with all your discs.Back line to back line is I think 360ft.If you throw past that consistently by 40ft. you throw 400.Im guessing 2/3 rds of this board is full of crap about how far they throw.

BTW, That wasnt a challenge to you Dave, just to anyone who thinks thier message board D is accurate.
Throwin a Demon well over 400'? Not unbeleivable at all , I do have to wonder though, "Was that a new Demon"?
I dont doubt Sinclairs D at all, but again, Does he throw that disc always off the tee for 450' and shorter, or was that just for the round? I personally know 1 person who throws that deep [ upwards of 550-600ft} and its hardly what I would consider accurate.He can control it up to 500ft though,and thats impressive.

Chase,
I think 25-30' high shots are normal golf shots and with a Sabre dont require any anny( reverse). Now if your going to get a Spirit or Illusion up that high it would certainly need to be reversed and nose down or it would surely go left.
Most players who started playing before 1990 have an easier time throwing higher than those who have recently started, mainly because it was the only way to get the understable discs to go far. ( besides rolling)
The trend towards faster lower flying oversatble discs has almost eliminated the need for rolling from any new players game .
BTW
Johhny's demons are of course broken in.
He carries about 5 ranging from new to REALLY broken in.
90% might me a more accurate # ;)

when you have been playing for 5 or more years....duplicating a shot over again is not that hard.....if I throw a good shot first off I can diplicate it rather easly....and the year would be 2000........if you started in 1990 you should be alote better.... :D(good tone of voice)

Dave, Ive never really tried to throw a Sabre like that before, and as far as the Blaze, I threw it as I would a Leopard.


As far as always duplicating a shot because you have played five years or more I disagree with.Even with a stack of the exact same discs{ nearly impossible} your lines will vary somewhat.This is my fifth year playing and still dont peg every shot, even on my home courses. If it were that easy then everyone would turn Pro after 7 years and have 1000 ratings.

RTF,
What is this post in reference to?

I get opportunities to throw 30' high any's all the time, they are called turnover holes!!!!!!!!!!!! :p

Trust me, my "message board D" IS accurate. I have nothing to prove by "overstating" my potential D. As most GOLF shots typically aren't over 350' anyway.Tell me, who was the last BIG ARM that won a MAJOR championship. Besides Avery winning in Japan last year. :confused:

I totally agree with the concept of the Element X not going as far as a Blaze. I know this to be true from throwing them in the last couple of days. What I was getting at in the first place was that the Element X "E" and the Blaze have a similar "flight pattern", not the same distance capability. :D

Had a chance to throw the Element & Element X yesterday, on a football field. For comparison, also had Rocs, Avairs and Wizards. The Element is really understable. Element X is stable, though not as much as a Roc (all new). Wizards are the closest discs to BB Aviars that I've thrown. As far as distance goes, I was throwing the Aviars and Wizards 300' consistantly, Rocs 330-340', and the Elements 300-330'. Wizards can/ will go in my bag. Elements are good discs, but I doubt they will replace my Rocs.

I've been really digging how the ElementX is really only able to get out to about 300' for me...makes it really consistant and allows me to know my limits.

Also loving how the Element (in "S") brand new is a pretty good hyzer-flip turnover middie. Then after some use, it becomes a great midrange roller.

With the Element, ElementX, Blaze and Demon in varying plastics you have the perfect midrange game!!

Mad Town, I wasnt reffering to just your posts.You are a Pro player, I wouldnt expect you to use message board D.That being said, I guess 30ft isnt really that high, so maybe I should have said 35-40ft.What your saying about 350ft holes is accurate, for now, but considering that everyone in the world throws 400ft going on 800, how long till the average holes are lenthened? Since I started the courses have all gotten longer, and with all the Fly 18 hype, I dont think it will be long before a Big Arm hits it big.

I think a lot of the distance measurements are off because holes aren't measured properly. I play a course locally that has several holes measured at 380 that I can reach with longer midranges that I know for a fact I can't throw 380. People's perception of distance it related to how badly mismarked their local course is.

What course is that Slomo?

Burke Crenshaw. # 1 and 2 are both listed fromt he long tees as being 380 and I throw a Storm on both of them on calm days. #9 is listed as 600+ but it's probably more like 475 tops.

well...I can duplicate shots....give me a stack of the same disc...say 10 of them I will put them all exept maybee 2 in very close proximity....and I have been playing for 5 and the next tourney I will be playing pro....so after 7 years I will be pro with that kind of rateing.....(hopefuly).....I was just answering the thread that said noone really throws over 350 consistantly.....your crazy....

#1 is listed as 350' and #2 as 330'

No one said anything about not throwing 350ft consistently.And I think you missed the sarcasm in my post, about how everyone would turn pro in seven years. First off, for some its faster,for some its not, but if everyone could turn pro in 5 years, they would sandbag for two, then turn.It was a joke.My point is that very few people throw nearly as far as they think.A one time greatest throw isnt equal to everyday distance, and you said 8 out of 10 would be close.Thats not duplicating everyshot.10 out of 10 is duplication.Because you have " mastered" the game in 5 years doesnt mean that everyone else should, and because your playing open doesnt mean your a open player.

I agree totaly that the courses are getting longer. In a lot of ways that still not benefit the massive distance throwers. Dave' s Ozark Mountain course is the prime example of this. Only on a few of the 18 HUGE holes out there would big D really do you any good, and the hardest hole on the course is one of the shortest par fives. So in the end course management is still the prime factor for success no matter how long the courses get. That is not as to say that more D wouldn't help, but it can also hurt at the same time in critical desicion making, ala USDGC. Not every course will have ten miles of yellow rope either, but designers won't be designing courses in cow fields(meaning totally wide open). At least I hope they don't! :D

Also #9 is more like 500' because I have only had a reasonable birdy on it once and I know I get about 450' on an open feild drive. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif By the way that measurement on #9 is for the alt. pin placement.

actually Matt look at the tee signs on the long posts. I know #1 is listed at 383 from the long box. I think 2 is listed about the same. If there are alt pin placements there i've never seen them in about 1 year and a half of playing there.

The Alts have never gone in go out again and make sure because I know when I finally reached #1 I knew I could throw 350'. I have only played there for almost 5 years. :D:D

that's my point Matt...I think the boxes are marked wrong. I know I can't throw a storm 383 but that's what I throw on that hole. I'll swing out there on the way home today and double check what it says.

I know I can't throw a storm 383 but that's what I throw on that hole. I'll swing out there on the way home today and double check what it says.



You can with message board d. j/k Give yourself some credit though. I've seen you make some decent throws and bet you can put that storm out there almost 340 with a good rip.

In that case my message board D is 600'. That makes me a bigger bad arse than Millz. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Is that really saying much though?

Nope sure doesn't. :D:D