What do you think the most collectable discs will be in the future. Also, do you think it will be discs people want to buy to be able to throw, or discs that will ride the wall? Any input is welcome.

Well Id say with over 400,000 discs being produced a year from Innova alone you would have to have something pretty special these days for it to be rare or sought after in the future.For throwing id say a few future discgolfers would want to get their hands on some old later runs of the CE.The wall hangers would be the first Eagles,Oldschool Rocs,Aviars,The First run CE variants ie the proto star CE Valk,the blueberry CE Valk with only a few hundred of these discs being made.The First run Rocs and their insanly rare stamp and color variants.(clear,Red,Green)

Of course discgolfers would have to be educated as to what is out their and what it is for it to be in demand or sought after.If I went to my local course and tried to sell my Bluberry CE valk for $50 people would look at me like I was on crack Because A: They dont know what it is,how many were made,or what its worth.And B: If they do even know what CE is or that its discontinued, Do they know what a first run is,Yes,OK Do they know They came in More than RED! Education is key to the collectability of these discs because a disc is only worth what someone is willing to pay.

Yeah Id have to agree with the old school rocs. With it being one of the most poplar discs, people would tend to want the first version of it. Same with the first run ce`s. Again Id have to agree with the later run of ce`s being the ones people want to still throw.

I think all the discs with "K.Allen" wrote on the back with a sharpie will be the most collectable in the future.

But seriously, with so few limited runs being made now, perhaps the collectable discs will be used plastic from the hall of famers and top pros? Who knows how much a Beast thrown by Barry Shultz would fetch, or an MRX used by Tom Monroe?

But it is all about who will pay the money for the discs.

MidNight Flyers and '83 Eagle's

I'd be willing to bet that one of the new Quarter K's will be worth a penny or two in a few years.

"One-run" stuff, like DX Gremlins, Champion Whippets, & 20th Anniv. Aviars, has nowhere to go but up in collectability & value.

ROCS!

Paten pending Areos/Egeles

I hope.
Since I have a box of them.

C.E. valks, Firebrids, teebrids, and rocs.

X Crush. Only 500 made according to Keith Murray. Doesn't sound like any more will be made in the future.

rocs the best disc ever made

Hopefully when the book Disctionary finally comes out people will finally get an education on the old school discs. I'd say the old Eagle's, Ben Wal's, and Ed's DGA Kittyhawk will go up in value.

man, when will that book ever be released,I hear but I dont see :D

Any Roc is a great Roc for future sale purposes, because you never know which mold they are going to use next.

yeah I would like to be able to put a value with my insurance on my ROC wall.

The first disc I ever won. In a few years it will be PRICELESS. LMFAO

What do you think the most collectable discs will be in the future?


I know, but I'm not telling. I don't want you driving up the price on eBay until I get them all. :D

Hopefully when the book Disctionary finally comes out people will finally get an education on the old school discs. I'd say the old Eagle's, Ben Wal's, and Ed's DGA Kittyhawk will go up in value.



I agree, I would add the NF�s, MF�s and the discs from the smaller producers like Brand X, Destiny.... :Dthe mold 44x from Brand X.... ;) $200+ (I�m saving money....... :cool:

Any news on the book Flyn?

No news, other than he's still collecting info and pix. I'm hoping on getting that 44X next month. I've got the wood model from Victor a few years back. Would be nice to have the disc as well, about only 200 of those made.

Only 200 BrandX's? I wonder how many were custom stamped then? I have one with a San Diego stamp on it that is mint.

We're talking about the 44X, not the 40X. The 44X was Brand X's fastback. I just checked my notes and only 50 were made.

The 40X was Brand X's frisbee that was very much like the DGA 40 mold. There were many of these made, not sure of quantity, but more than 200. Still a very collectible frisbee. Victor set a distance record with one.

There was also a retooled version of the 40x that was made in 200 pcs and called "1st run 200"..., and then they stopped doing discs,... sad. :(

Generally the best collectables are things that a lot of people used to have and would still like to have but are in short supply... such as early Mustangs or Camaros, barbies.... things from a happy time in the past that haven't been made in a long time but everyone remembers fondly and would like to have again.

I think that the San Marino Roc will always be a favorite. They will always fly great.

Especially the ones in your used bin.

pro line gremlins
1st run champion orcs
1st run clear pro line beasts, a LOT rarer than the pearly ones.
10x rocs, and 10x hybrid teebirds, 10x aviars(VERY nice)
1st run ghost stamped z-wasps

Can someone explain to me about the "blueberry" CE Valks, what color were they exactly?

A really dark royal blue. translucent, but hard to see through.

We're talking about the 44X, not the 40X. The 44X was Brand X's fastback. I just checked my notes and only 50 were made.

The 40X was Brand X's frisbee that was very much like the DGA 40 mold. There were many of these made, not sure of quantity, but more than 200. Still a very collectible frisbee. Victor set a distance record with one.



Thanks for the help. I read Victors book and figured I might as well buy a Brand-X for the cause :)

I agree about the gremlins....they are already very rare.....

I agree about the gremlins....they are already very rare.....



rare does not equal value

If I had to guess I'd say the Pro Lines are gonna be collectable. I really like my Teebird, Teebird-L, Classic Roc cause they are fast and super grippy. I think that most folks buy the DX for price and the Champion for durability, and the Pro Line may get lost in the mix, even though to own Pro Line is to love the Pro Line.

Also, there are a few gateway fanatics out there and gateway still has pretty small runs and does mix around their plastic some. Also gateway discs are pretty unique, so if you get used to them you are probably gonna be hooked. My guess is the milky-white run of elements and the h-illusions have potential.

-Jon

Id have to say alot of the CE stuff (Valks, tbirds, firebirds, rocs, etc) because people WANT those AND THROW those as well...

The CE line is getting rare now and will only get harder to find as time goes on, therefore driving UP the price...

I agree about the gremlins....they are already very rare.....



rare does not equal value



True. A disc has to be rare because they are either not made any more or that there is some limitation on supply. It helps if a disc gets some sort of "mystic" quality like the Roc has. Oh yeah, people have to still want to throw them.

Want to be able to put your kids through college in 20 years by selling your collector golf discs? This is what you should snatch up now and put away.

All CE discs especially 1st runs and prototypes. Buy as many 2001 CE ROCS as you can and while you can still afford them (and yes $200 is still affordable considering where they will go).

'83 Eagles and patent pend. Aeros.

Old avairs like the hands on and rings.

Don't settle for just San Marino ROCS, look for the harder to find ones. Greatest holes, football stamed, triple rings and triple ring Ontarios also.

Night Flyers and Midnight Flyers.

Any prototypes and first runs. The older the better.

Off brands like Destiny, Dynamic, Benwal, Brand-X. Or extremely rare discs made by golfers themselves. ie. the Phaser made by Tom Monroe.

Gremlins, Proline, Ghost stamped Wasps may be special to you but they will not fetch that much in the future.

Remember you're talking about an investment. Spend the $200 on that 2001 CE ROC now and when you go to sell it in 20 years for $5000 you'll be happy you did.

"The Phaser made by Tom Monroe", what�s that?
Do you mean Drastech discs the "Flazer" made by Steve McCullough
or the Monroebee "Flying Ace" made by Tom Monroe??

:confused:

I think the Monroebee Flying Ace was the only one that Tom Monroe made, or at least the only one that he showed me. I think he only has two of them left. They are really sharp edged discs, you can shave with them. But Dave D. threatened Tom and Lavonne Wolfe (creator of the name, Tom just wanted it to be called the flying ace) with patent infringment so the disc never made it to market.

Also, if you can get your hands on an original '83 Worlds Super Puppy, those are like gold. I have a reissue, but he does not run that stamp very often, but I am having a case ran for me before I move out of Birmingham.

I think those Night Shift Orcs will be sought after as well, they are now already, the Cam Todd CE Teebirds, and the early CE TLs with the Barstamp.

whats a night shift orc and a cam todd teebird?

He means these : )

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Sweet pics! I have two night shift red and blue orcs. And I have one orange Cam Todd Ce teebird. Night shift orcs are more overstable than champion orcs. I wish that they do make more night shift orcs!

"Night shift orcs are more overstable than champion orcs. I wish that they do make more night shift orcs!"

So.. they throw like Starfires... or what?

Would you want to trade or sell one?

Yes more like second run starfires. At this moment, I have not decide about selling or trade. FEWs pm me about it. Depend on what they offer or trade something I want....

Whats the difference between a first and second run Starfire? I had a first run one and liked it...

how about starting some sort of disc value reference guide for collectible discs!

no [*****] man, i wish there was like a NADA for disc golf discs, i could just look up a disc and see its value for different conditions. That'd be great!

FIrst run starfire is little different.. it flips more than second run. I was told that it was retooled and more stiff and overstable than first run.

thanks alot, i am thinking about buying a second run one, I liked the first, but i guess i'll probably like the second run even better!

how about starting some sort of disc value reference guide for collectible discs!


That would be great. Rick Neil did this for a while in the mid 90's. Would the price be based off Ebay? Who could do this?

I beleive the Disctionary is in the making right now with information being gathered everyday,from where I dont know

WVO minis. But they won't be worth the big bucks til I'm gone...I'm 41 and smoke, so according to insurance factors it shouldn't be too long now! :p

I checked with S. Johnson a while back, almost a year now. This will not be a price guide. But, it should be good guide on all the disc golf disc's made ro date.

i wonder what the quarter k's will do , on the lines of collectibility!!

With the mold changing DRASTICALLY from last years Worlds protos and the actual production runs, I'm betting those first ones become pretty valuable!!

i hope so!!

FIrst run starfire is little different.. it flips more than second run. I was told that it was retooled and more stiff and overstable than first run.



You're talking about CFR Starfires not Pro Starfires -- right? :confused:
I find Pro Starfires are less stable than Pro Orcs, but I hear Champion (CFR) Starfires are more overstable than Champ Orcs.

How about Champion Stingrays? They are discontinued. Anyone know how many were made?

What about the future collectibililty of Candy Fundraiser discs? Some of the designs have been quite stunning and the runs are limited to 50, I believe.

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What about the future collectibililty of Candy Fundraiser discs? Some of the designs have been quite stunning and the runs are limited to 50, I believe.

To a collector of disc art, a unique hotstamp may increase the desirability of a CFR disc from a particular tournament and year, but collectors for whom such discs are of interest would more likely be buying the art rather than the disc.

I think for the cfr discs, they are mostly only collectable to those that attended the tournament. Otherwise I dont see too much of a demand, besides the artistic aspect as mentioned. As for the QK, I think it will depend on how good the disc is. The reason the first run valk and 2001 roc is so valued is due to there flight characteristics.

You're right about the art. There are some that I'll never throw, like the set of 5 that John Dorn made for the Carolina courses.
But the first run proto ce valks (red with big silver star) are so awesome that mine gets thrown regularly. So straight with almost zero hyzer fade!

I started playing 4 years ago, a lot of the older CE stuff I missed out on or didn't know enough about disc golf to make a difference. Some of the discs I'd see as valuable later though are the proline gremlins, the old CE spiders, any of the 10x discs, maybe a few of the SE discs like the TL or the rhyno putters. I'm sure the CFR stuff will be valuable, as long as innova doesn't decide to release a lot of those molds later on as regular runs. On that note...my CFR classic roc should be here in a day or two...sweet.

What do you think the most collectable discs will be in the future. Also, do you think it will be discs people want to buy to be able to throw, or discs that will ride the wall? Any input is welcome.



Both. As the competition between the big 2 continues each will keep working to gain an edge, causing new models and plastics to replace old ones. Like Innova CE, KC, or the old Discraft Elite plastics.

What will be in demand will be whatever the new, hot disc or plastic that Innova makes next. Just buy a bunch, wait 5 years and sell them for 5-10x their original value.

Star-stamped first-run anything (most recently, the Sidewinders come to mind) will be collectible.

I dont think the sidewinder with the star will be very collectable due to the huge numbers produced. I believe it really depends on how well the disc flies that constitutes its collectability.

Well this Roc is $224.14 with 12 hours left. That seems pretty high to me. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=79804&item=7152096829&rd=1

yeah really!! i just paid 230 for one!!

Do you intend to throw that or just hang it on the wall? Seems a crazy price to me.

throw it , no way!! it will be on a wall somewhere i'm sure!! :D

In a storage bin in the garage until I get more land and a proper dog house.

haha!! right on!! :D:D

Anyone ever seen a Jordan chain gang international stamp on disc?

Dang...maybe it's time to sell.....

How do I post a pic of my chain gang disc. I have already scanned it.

http://www.discgolftrader.com/kc/discs/cgj_rbw_smrocs.jpg

Nicey. Aviar?

Anyone ever seen a Jordan chain gang international stamp on disc?


I have one that's a Shark.

First run CE FireBird
First run TeeBird
First run aviar
First run CE Valkyrie
First run CE TeeBird
and lots of other discs

I kind of disagree with the aviar. Slides right out of the chains, so not very desirable. I also think the bright yellow ce run will be collectable due to the desirability of the color. Nice and easy to find.

got one of those 2001 ce texas state aviar!

Ive ask this before and no one gave me a response. I have a rules super puppy in new condition and was wondering its worth? Its a super puppy with the rules of disc golf as the art work. Dates back to 1983. thanks for any inputt!

We all know what is collectable now. What are the collectables of the future? As for me i'm getting all the nightshift orcs I can. I think that they are the most affordable with the best upside of anything right now. I think they throw better than the others and there are only like 600 of them. I have seen a couple of nightshift valkyries lately as well (word is only 10 of these guys live at Innova east). I also like the future of 11x teebirds.

Much has been said about the number of discs being produced by the disc golf producing companies.How can a potential investor in discs find out the number of each disc being produced and when a particular disc is retooled how to tell the diferences?

Hey Kiko, been awhile. Playing Sipa this year?

About the Super Puppy, I remember those with the rules stamp going for quite a bit on eBay when I was still trading and collecting, but I can't remember how much.

Check out the eBay site for examples of those and if none come up, list yours with a ridiculously high reserve. Then you'll get some idea of the interest.

Like my grandmother always said, "Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it."

tourney stamped discs....TL's............ce rocs.....

Id have to say 2001 CE rocs, CE aviars, first run of anything CE, 8X rocs, etc....

How about the Barry '1' Time Beasts......If he wins a couple more it will be rare....

What do you think the most collectable discs will be in the future.



Why not just time travel to the future and find out? Then come back and let us know which discs to stash away. :D

There is a difference between Night Shift plastic and the plastic that lots think is Night Shift. I have recently seen: Eagles, Teebirds, Banshees, Panthers and Valks in a plastic different than most. This isnt "Night Shift" plastic, but a Special Blend type plastic that matches up very well with the 1st run Gremlins. {In the old Pro} The RED and BLUE colors are very opaque and resembles more the SB Rocs than the "Night Shift." If you have any of these and compare them with a old Pro Gremlin { which was a different plastic than the Beasts and Monsters} you can see what I mean. In my opinion, this is a better plastic than the NS, but probably wont be as valuable.

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I bought a 193g Mint one about a year ago for $70. Has the Destiny Disc stamp on the underside w/ weight. The one I got is lavender, light purple.

I sold a super with the rules a few years back for $40-$50 if I remember correctly...ebay..

there is a Whizbo also that has the rules on turning the disc either way also that is a nice, old collectible...maybe not in high $$ value, but rarity you will find one new!

yes Ill be playing sipa this year.Looking forward to getting out and enjoy the whole tourney scene.Thanks fro the input. Hope to see you out there!

yes i believe thats the one i have.there are three girls who show how the game is played .says golf whizbo style and also says create by jan sobel and artwork by kathi kositchek .thanks again for the info.kiko

The Bullet came w/ one stamp that had directions on how to sand the edges of the disc to make it turn. Destiny made the Bullet in the mid 80's.

That sounds pretty cool. One, did it work? Two, that is illegal by todays pdga standards isn't it? What do you think will be the collectable disc in the run of 2005 USDGC rocs. Seems the SBs have the best feedback. I even heard there is supposed to be a run of special blend rocs coming out. Anyone else hear this?

I don't think the Bullet was ever PDGA approved, was it?

The Dimple Disc never was because it was so frickin' hard that it would break your shin bone it you got nailed by one.

I think the "Tony the Tiger" mini from Kellogg's will be worth some bucks some day!

In general, the obvious collectables will be discontinued Innova discs, and discontinued plastic types (also Innova).
Pro Line plastic Beasts, for example, are already collectible.
Champion Stingrays that weigh in the 160's and 170's are another example.

and i have been giving those tony the tigers minis away! oh well maybe someone will give me a colectible disc one of these days.

No the Bullet was not legal, I believe it was the Dia. vs. weight issue. I never sanded my Bullet, too collectible to destroy.

I try to avoid the tournament stamps, they don't seem to go up in value compared to the standard stamp. I stick with Whamo, DGA, Destiny, Ben Wal, and Innova. I stay clear of Discraft and Lightning.

The only new disc's I buy for collecting is the CE Roc's. Otherwise I only buy discs pre 90's. My Kitty Hawk collection has been growing.

the white first run champion orcs. they are sweet :cool:

My Kitty Hawk collection has been growing.



Yes I have noticed that :mad:;) :D

Sierra Nevada stamped Orc from Napa Tourney. Only 50 made.

Buy 2 of every disc that comes out. Throw one and stash the other.

Buy 3 and hook a fellow twister up :D

I like the buy two and throw one idea. I think the most collectable discs will be the ones that fly good now. Thats why I think the SB rocs will be very desirable in the near future.

I can DEF. see the SB rocs becoming collectible. ALOT of people seem to be throwing them and its def. my "go to" roc.

Well, since you are my teammate...we'll see what we can do!

How collectable are these? They all have KC's sig in gold paint pen. They are all #45 of 50.

1x, 2x, 3x, 4x, 4x, and 5x? And why are there 2 different 4x's?


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are those hof discs? probably have to ask flynvegas, hes the man on old discs.

No, they are not HOF discs. They are all Ken Climo World Championship/Player of the year discs. All black/gold gazelle's. Anyone know more about them?

Yes, the Player of the year series made for Klimo are very sweet. Bucky out of Florida has been selling these on ebay lately, he would know the most about these. A 1x has gone for over $200. But, the Gazelle wasn't out when the 1x was released,, the 1x was for his first PDGA Worlds in '90, Gazelle was released at the Worlds in the mid 90's. The others range b/t $30 and $60. A very nice set to have.

I like the buy two and throw one idea.



I prefer a buy 4 idea. One to use, one to sell, one to trade, and one to collect.

I predict that old discs will be showing up on Antiques Roadshow in about 20 years.

Yes, the Player of the year series made for Klimo are very sweet. Bucky out of Florida has been selling these on ebay lately, he would know the most about these. A 1x has gone for over $200. But, the Gazelle wasn't out when the 1x was released,, the 1x was for his first PDGA Worlds in '90, Gazelle was released at the Worlds in the mid 90's. The others range b/t $30 and $60. A very nice set to have.



Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Here is what Bucky wrote:


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John,

I produced this set back in 1996 and there were only 50 made. They originally sold for $75, and it contained all but #'s 7 & 8. I produced 50 more of the 7X & 8X after Ken won those championships and offered them to those who had purchased the original set. It was the responsibility of the people who actually had the sets to contact me, but few did and as a result there are only a handful of people that have a complete set. The last two sets I sold on Ebay went for $300.

now you just need to find the final two, huh?

now you just need to find the final two, huh?


And there are two different 7x.

These inncolor discs coming out are pretty nice. Do you think any of these will be collectable or will they only be desirable to people who actually attended the tournaments they are for? I think it would be hard to try to collect everyone.

now you just need to find the final two, huh?


And there are two different 7x.



Yes, looks like i'll have to keep my eyes open.

These inncolor discs coming out are pretty nice. Do you think any of these will be collectable or will they only be desirable to people who actually attended the tournaments they are for? I think it would be hard to try to collect everyone.



The inncolor/supercolor discs are nice, but i don't see the majority of them have much collectability. The 1st run SuperColor may be collectable, same with the USDGC inncolor. All of the others are probably more sentimental than anything else.

These inncolor discs coming out are pretty nice. Do you think any of these will be collectable or will they only be desirable to people who actually attended the tournaments they are for? I think it would be hard to try to collect everyone.



The inncolor/supercolor discs are nice, but i don't see the majority of them have much collectability. The 1st run SuperColor may be collectable, same with the USDGC inncolor. All of the others are probably more sentimental than anything else.


I'd have to agree, I only bought some of the first ones for the Japan tournament. If I could get a Inncolor Roc I would. I try to stay clear of most tournament stamps. The Gentleman's stamp from Vegas is always HOT, so I buy lots of them.

you can get a ROC from KC Wide Open they made 30 of them and I was lucky and got #1 of 30 you can go to discgolfworld.com to get yours :D

I didnt see the roc on the discgolfworld sight. Are you talking about the classic roc? And what do the gentlemans stamp look like? I agree that maybe the first inncolor will be collectable. I have the japan bonzai and its sweet. Wouldnt mind picking up the rest, but too lazy to go for it. Plus shipping to here sucks.

Gentlemen's stamp is always a sweet pic of a dancer.

What colors and weights are the most collectable. Eventhough I dont like them, seems black and white are sought after. As for weight, seems the heavier the better.