I just recently purchased a max weight CE Teebird T off of ebay in hopes of getting a highly durable more DX-like Teebird. I have owned Champ Teebirds in the past and they weren't bad, but they weren't at all like the DX, which is the best and straightest Teebird IMO. I am guessing the CE is a little more overstable than the DX, but hopefully not as stable as the Champ is.

So do the older CE Teebirds compare to the DX or are they more like the Champ Teebirds? The CE Teebird I bought is opaque. Maybe 2nd or 3rd run?

It'll probably be a tad more overstable than a Champion Teebird T, Champion Edition plastic seems to make everything a little more overstable (i.e. CE TL vs. CFR TL, CE FX vs. Champion Firebird, CE Aviar vs. Champion Aviar, 01 CE Roc vs 03 CFR Roc, etc.) It will last a really long time though.

That disc is going to be much more stable that a DX TeeBird. After a sufficient beating it will relent somewhat but it will take a while to break her in.

I have not thrown one in a really long time, but I think it was less overstable than the Champion. Those things are very over stable! I used to throw one of them too and could throw it into almost any headwind without it turning over. Actually, with a little hyzer, you can throw the CE Teebird T into a pretty strong headwind and it will fly for a long time, without turning over. That's what I liked about it. The Champion always fades hard at the end, for me, which is one reason I stopped throwing it!

I got 3 CE Teebird T's (2 new and 1 used) and all of them were less overstable than the newer 11x 155 gr. Champion T that I used to have. My experience with the 11x had me sticking to the CE and 10x when I was throwing a Teebird so I found out how the new champions throw.

ce t's are less [over]stable than the current champion t. close in stability to the current dx's [when new] that are being made

I thrown CE Ts, CE TLs, CFR TLs, SE TLs, SE Ts, DX Ts, I love the Teebird molds but don't care for the Champion Ts flight path.

The SE Ts are the closest to the DX Teebird, they are no longer produced, has anyone thrown the new grippy proline Teebirds? How do they compare to the old SE plastic and flights?

The CE teebirds are straighter, & longer than the Champion version, both will hold a line into normal winds, but in a 35mph Kansas wind forget it, throw a DGA Tsunami, my new best friend in wind conditions. The CFR TLs are straighter than the CE TLs which tend to turnover more in my experience.

My theory is Champion aren't as flat as the CE so they aren't as fast out of your hand, and then slow down faster resulting in shorter more over stable flight path.

ROG

I dont think the speed of a disc has anything to do with the straightness of its flight. Even if it did, slower discs seem to be the straigter ones (i.e. roc, teebird tl (slower than teebird t),leopard, etc.)...
Also, champion edition material tends to make things more overstable. IMO I have a brand new CE Teebird T and Champion Teebird (both 167) and the CE one seems a tad more overstable than the Champion one. Are you sure you guys dont think its the other way around because your CE T's you throw are older than the Champion ones you throw and they're just more used? Also, my new CE Teebird TL, is definitely more overstable than a new CFR TL... they do seem to get more flippy in their very used condition though. IMO

Either way though, your CE Teebird T is going to be much more overstable than a dx Teebird...

IMO, in order of most stable to least stable

CE
Champion
DX
Proline

I found this applies to all molds I have thrown in these plastics. But CE and Champion are very similar as are DX and Proline in terms of stability.

Stability is in the arm of the disc thrower.

Try the Pro TL's they're sweet.. if you like Dx T's

I dont think the speed of a disc has anything to do with the straightness of its flight. Even if it did, slower discs seem to be the straigter ones (i.e. roc, teebird tl (slower than teebird t),leopard, etc.)...
Also, champion edition material tends to make things more overstable. IMO I have a brand new CE Teebird T and Champion Teebird (both 167) and the CE one seems a tad more overstable than the Champion one. Are you sure you guys dont think its the other way around because your CE T's you throw are older than the Champion ones you throw and they're just more used? Also, my new CE Teebird TL, is definitely more overstable than a new CFR TL... they do seem to get more flippy in their very used condition though. IMO



I know that when I would throw my Champion TeeBirds, they were so overstable, I really could not use them the same way as my CE TeeBirds. My CE TeeBirds are still like new, and I can throw them straight with very little fade at the end. Maybe we are talking about different CE Runs. I had a CE TeeBird TL that was overstable (max weight). I guess anything is possible. I know two people that can throw Champion TeeBirds very very far! I don't know how they can do it, but they go straight with little to know fade! But "for me", they are overstable. :cool:

Yeah, innova stuff varries so much, it sorta depends on the run. I have a 1st run CE TL (almost new) and its more overstable than all my T teebirds. I got it because i liked the 1st run plastic better then later runs, but the later runs imo seemed to be quite less stablethan the 1st run one. I actually took the T's out of my bag because of this.

I really like the 10 x hybrid & the 11 x's for straight hyzers and 300'-350' hyzers.
the 1st runs are great for straight shots and tight/ tunnel shots, rollers and tail wind drives.

I had a beaten 10x hyrid 170 T and it was the straightest disc ever, until it got stuck about 50 high in a tree... :(

The "11x" KC Tee Birds are/were the most overstable of all Tee Birds...bar none, IMHO.

The 1st run CE Tee Bird TLs were the most overstable of all the Tee Bird TLs.

Someone above said that TLs are slower than Ts...this I do not agree with. Again, IMHO. :)

.02 / YMMV, and it likely will!

Ha,reminds me of when I traveled 3 hours to try a new course and put my CE valk 50 feet up a tree on a dead branch.I went to the freinds house I was visiting and got some rope and went McGyver on that tree.I got the Valk back!

So narrowing it down from what I've read....

CE Teebiird T is slightly more stable than a new DX Teebird, and less stable than the new Champ teebird. That is the general agreement for most of the responses.

I agree that the Champ Teebird is the most stable Teebird ever made, but I haven't ever thrown the CE yet.

For some reason I always remember hearing that the CE is a lot less stable than the Champ. With Innova discs, I guess they can vary a lot though. That is probably why there were a few people saying that the CE is more stable than the Champ?

If there wasn't 2 feet of snow on the ground here in Green Bay, I'd go and throw my new CE to see for myself, but I dont wanna risk burrowing a 60 dollar disc deep into the snow.
That would suck! :eek:

come on, its not that bad out, theres snow here and i'm playing! try putting a fishing led lighton it later at night and you can see the disc perfectly, the snow around it lights up or just put some surveyors tape or whatever it is on the disc and then you'll see the end of it sticking out of the snow, disc golfis a year round sport everywhere, not just texas,nc,cali,etc. even up here we can enjoy it all year round! :)

Don't even talk about terrible weather until you lived in Wisconsin. We have a freezing Winter every year with lots of snow. Then when Spring finally comes, we get nothing but rain! Last year the courses around here were extremely wet and messy until like June. I think we had 9 inches of rain in May alone! I doubt that Iowa's winters compare to Wisconsin winters. I can stand a little snow when discin, but not 2 feet. :eek:

Don't even talk about terrible weather until you lived in Wisconsin. We have a freezing Winter every year with lots of snow. Then when Spring finally comes, we get nothing but rain! Last year the courses around here were extremely wet and messy until like June. I think we had 9 inches of rain in May alone! I doubt that Iowa's winters compare to Wisconsin winters. I can stand a little snow when discin, but not 2 feet. :eek:


Be carefull! I think our neighbors to the east might take exception to your comments. Ever heard of lake affect (sp? a or e) snow? We have bad winters here but I don't think we can lay claim to having the worst winters. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

The 1st run CE Tee Bird TLs were the most overstable of all the Tee Bird TLs.


Re: Why 1st run CE Tee Birds were TLs: I seem to remember Dave D saying that Innova decided to run the "TL" mold because the "T" was just 'too' overstable in CE plastic. Can anyone corraborate this?

no clue man :confused:, but i agree with you, my 1st run ce tl is like a new champion t pretty much, it is new, but still...

Don't even talk about terrible weather until you lived in Wisconsin. I doubt that Iowa's winters compare to Wisconsin winters. I can stand a little snow when discin, but not 2 feet. :eek:



Didn't know it was a contest man... you win, seriously... you win :D

In the bowels of the message board there is a post from Dave D talking about running the first runs as TL's becasue the T's were way over stable. It is the same reason the 1st run CE Eagles were EL's.

So CE T's are really overstable? (as compared to dx)

All this talk about different plastics, which discs hold a straighter line, which one goes further. It sounds like you guys need to let it go. Get 10-20 discs you like in similar molds and get good with them. Thats what the game is all about.

Except when you wake up and its - 20 degrees,then you sit on a computer and talk plastic

There are two different Teebird T molds. You can tell the difference by the lettering on the bottom(and usually the feel). The first mold says "Rancho Cucamonga CAL.", whereas the newer mold says "Rancho Cucamonga CA." The CAL mold was used in the old DX, the CE, the 8/9/10x KC pro, the SE, the new Proline, and the BRAND new champion. For some reason, they used the CA. mold in the 11x KC pro, and there are some with the brand new champion stamp (these have a deeper rim). IMO, The CA. mold is way more stable and predictable than the CAL. old mold. The CAL. will flip in the middle of its flight more, but it can go a loong way. (I parked #18 at George Wilson once with the old CAL mold) Compare a 10x with an 11x, you will see.

the 11x Teebird is the best teebird they've made so far...
I did notice that i have 2 Champion Teebirds and one is the CAL mold and the other is CA.. the CA throws almost identical to my 11x Teebirds and the CAL is just a little less stable which i love for drivers over 360.
What is the LEttering on the TL mold.. I thought that the CAL was the TL mold? I guess i was wrong.
so there are currently 3 teebird molds that they are running?

-Scott Lewis

Going back to the difference between CE and current Champion Teebirds, the real difference to me seems to be that the CE molds fly medium speed stable while the Champions are medium speed overstable. All are high speed stable, and fly more alike at these speeds.

During a casual round this last weekend I looked at a friend's dark orange 164g CE T'Bird "TL"...but it was a "T" mold. Any ideas what run this is?

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