Hey all. I have been saving this winter for some discs. I dont really have a price range, but I want a few discs that will be essential or recommended.
I dont know much about weights so Ill need some help on that. I presently have a
166 Birdie putter
166 champion orc
147 Valkyrie DX - Probably the greatest distance disc Ive ever used. Unfortunatly, it takes hits quite hard and gets messed up pretty bad everytime I play.
177 Shark DX - Also, takes hits horribly.

I plan on replacing the Valkyrie and Shark with some pro line discs. My putter is also a DX, but I hasnt been a problem since it never really gets thrown that hard.

Anyway. These are the discs Im considering.
http://everythingdiscgolf.com/detail.asp?pid=78673 Extremely low weight
http://everythingdiscgolf.com/detail.asp?pid=88554 Either this one or the non-classic. Not sure yet.
http://everythingdiscgolf.com/detail.asp?pid=85381

Ive been hearing lots of great things about the roc and zbuzzz. Im not very experienced at Frolf, but I do plan on playing a lot this year. Any opinions or suggestions are greatly appreciated.


EDIT: Also, how is that retailer?

First off, it is not FROLF, it is Disc Golf. Light weights are defintely a good choice if you are just geTTing started. Dont get too many different styles of discs, learn the ones you have first, then move up in weight with those same discs, and then try other types of discs.

oh alright. thanks
Sorry but around here everyone calls disc golf that.

Definately learn the ones you have. Throw your DX's till they get so beat they don't fly right anymore, then switch to pro's and do the same thing, then move to Champions..

Later on, you'll want a ROC instead of a shark, ROC's tend to fly a little farther. I would say, try a beast or Valkerie before that Orc, but the orc is a good one to have. It's fairly predictable. Tee-Birds and Firebirds are some the most predictable discs to have (meaning that you know what they are going to do EVERYTIME you throw them.) Like for example: Tee-bird 300' straight, then it turns and dives 30' to the right/left(depends on which hand you throw with)

Hope that helps.

Hey all. I have been saving this winter for some discs. I dont really have a price range, but I want a few discs that will be essential or recommended.
I dont know much about weights so Ill need some help on that. I presently have a
166 Birdie putter
166 champion orc
147 Valkyrie DX - Probably the greatest distance disc Ive ever used. Unfortunatly, it takes hits quite hard and gets messed up pretty bad everytime I play.
177 Shark DX - Also, takes hits horribly.




i would get an aviar to replace your birdie, trade in the valk for a sidewinder, get the pro classic roc in a mid-weight since the pro roc is going to be too stable for you right now, and possibly get a pro shark (although you might get the same use out of your pro classic roc, anyways.) if you do get the shark, you won't need a z buzz, unless you really like throwing mid-range discs. that should be enough to get you started.

How far can you throw? It's hard to say what is appropriate becuase I don't know your style. Stick with the light valkyries, Around 170g holds the world distance record, great for the s-turns/helix :). I wouldn't start on the classic rocs, too hard to find. Stick with the dx reg or get a z-buzzz. That's my problem, I got good with hard to find discs and I can't get any more of them that easily :(. If you can't throw that far don't worry about the mid-ranges yet stick with the valkyrie and the 160's orcs, that is a really good combo. It never hurts to try some different putters, different weights and plastics and see what sticks and feels the best :cool:.

thanks so much for the replies.
I can throw about 350' but its not consistant or accurate.
I dont want to sound spoiled or anything, but I would really like to get these champion discs to make sure I am not losing anything by the huge gashes on the sides of my DX's. I just got a job and I got no bills to pay, so I figure I might as well spend 40-50 bucks on a healthy hobbie that will keep me busy.
What exactly do u mean by the classic rocs being too hard to find? Im still not decided on whether I should get the normal roc or the classic. I dont understand the difference.
Im pretty dead set on the valkyrie for the non windy situations. The few times I used the orc in the wind it was good to me.
Ive heard the orc requires a powerful throw, unfortunately Im not very good at that as of yet, but Im workin on it.

EDIT: Can I trust that retailer? Also, Im still alittle unclear on what midrange discs to get.

If your addicted & committed to disc golf, you will certainly spend more than $40-50. :cool:
I know that's true in my case. I've got enough plastic to get and entire middle school started.

Nelstyle

yea I understand hobbies. Trust me, after spending 500+ dollars on a video card alone I know what its like to be addicted to something. :cool:
But yea, Ill be spending more than that on DG soon

classic rocs were a thing of the past until recently, when they began being produced again. chances are, they will only be produced for a limited amount of time and then you'll have a difficult time finding any new ones. the roc, on the other hand, is probably the most popular disc in the world, and is in no danger of being discontinued. it is slightly larger and more overstable in the pro plastic than the classic roc, so it would take some beating in before it would fly "straight" for you. the z buzz will fly much straighter out of the box, but as it wears it will become understable and useful only with a tailwind or in still conditions. i would recommend a dx roc, pro classic roc or pro shark for what sounds like your throwing style. as you gain power and accuracy, move up to the pro roc, which will probably be your main mid-range at that point.

classic rocs were a thing of the past until recently, when they began being produced again. chances are, they will only be produced for a limited amount of time and then you'll have a difficult time finding any new ones. the roc, on the other hand, is probably the most popular disc in the world, and is in no danger of being discontinued. it is slightly larger and more overstable in the pro plastic than the classic roc, so it would take some beating in before it would fly "straight" for you. the z buzz will fly much straighter out of the box, but as it wears it will become understable and useful only with a tailwind or in still conditions. i would recommend a dx roc, pro classic roc or pro shark for what sounds like your throwing style. as you gain power and accuracy, move up to the pro roc, which will probably be your main mid-range at that point.


well said

cool thanks. But will I really need 2 midrange discs?

What I mean is. Will I actually use both the roc and the buzzz?

no, at this point you probably won't need more than 1 mid-range if you're only carrying 5-6 discs. but as you learn the sport and come to love it like the rest of us do, you'll carry more and more discs and use all of them at some point. personally, i carry 22 discs and 6 of them are mid-range (2 dx rocs, 1 kc 10X roc, 1 proline gremlin, 1 z mrv and 1 z wasp). they all fly uniquely and are the main discs i use on holes under 350-400 ft. so in essence, you don't "need" 2 mid-range discs right now, but once you do it'll be nice if they're just sitting in your room waiting for you.

Nice.
So, Im tryin to figure out what discs I need. So I can think of...
1 putter
2 drivers
2 midrange most likely.

Any others I should add??

Nice.
So, Im tryin to figure out what discs I need. So I can think of...
1 putter
2 drivers
2 midrange most likely.

Any others I should add??



Look into an Element by Gateway. Likely to be straighter than a Buzzz for you, and for sure straighter than a Roc.

Don't get me wrong, the Roc is a solid disc, but the Element appeals to more begginers.

Excellent. Thanks much.
Any idea where I can get all these discs including the Element? Preferably a site that you know is safe to buy from.
What disc can I expect the Element to replace? Or should I just add it?

Id buy a QMS,a QJLS,a DX Beast and a KC Aviar if I were you.The Element is no more "begginer" friendly then a QMS or a ROC.

buy a Roc :D

Nice.
So, Im tryin to figure out what discs I need. So I can think of...
1 putter
2 drivers
2 midrange most likely.

Any others I should add??



If you can't see a use for a disc, then you probably won't use it. Add discs as you start seeing the need for them.

Here's an article that does a great job of summarizing how to choose discs, how many discs you "need" and the uses of various diccs (there are some newer ones out that aren't covered):

http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/articles/choosingadisc.shtml

AFAIK, that site you linked to is reputable. I've never ordered from them but I wouldn't worry about them ripping you off. They have a pretty good selection, too. They don't seem to be up on all of the latest Gateway discs that come out as soon as some other places, though which is why you don't see the Element there.

DON'T BUY TOO MUCH PLASTIC!

Don't make my mistake. BE SURE to get a grip on what your discs can do before you get a buttload of plastic. One thing that made me struggle mightily when I first got into DG was buying too many different discs and using them sporatically instead of learning what each one can do. Take your time and have some fun learning the different angles each disc can pull off, and don't rush into a bunch of goofy discs because they sound hot or different. Consistancy is the key!

Or so I've been told. :p

Um...Classic rocs have been out for quite a few years now. I don't think they will be going away anytime soon.

If you like the feel of the orc, pick up a pro orc. If you really want to get better plastic, replace your valk with a sidewinder.

Stick with the roc, shark, or element as a midrange. The elements fly wonderfully.

You can buy Elements directly from Gateway on their online store, Here:
Gateway Element (http://www.gdstour.com/store/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1102951112)

you might want to tell them they misspelled super in their description: "Surper durable and perfectly stable with awesome glide."
just a thought...

Alright, cool thanks alot for the suggestions.
I dont know much about the sidewinder, but my current choices are.
very low weight champion valkyrie
any wieght pro roc
and any weight element.

What kind of plastic for the Element am I getting? weight? Sorry Im new at this. Thanks for being patient.

I would recommend going to a DG store or your local course pro and feeling/gripping the discs before you buy. Especially Mid-Range and Putters: Rocs, Sharks, Buzzs, Wasps, Elements, and QMS CAN all do the same thing so pick THE one that feels the best in your hand and get a couple of them in the same plastic and same weight. The same goes for Putters: Aviars, Challengers, Magnets, Wizards are all very nice and are very similar so again pick the one that feels the best, plastic and grip wise.
As for the Classic Roc it is a very unique disc, shorter then the Midranges listed above but longer then the putters. However, I believe it is the straightest disc on the market right now, so you could pick up one of them also, if you like the feel.
Another great disc to look at is the Leopard (Pro or Champion). It is a great straight driver and it will teach you technique of throwing a Disc instead of Powering/Forcing/Overthrowing an Overstable Driver.
Cheers,
Matt

You might consider buying one of each disc available. Throw them all and after a while you will know which ones you throw the best. Continue to throw those regardless of cost or manufacturer or whatever comment your friends or fellow players make.

Alright, cool thanks alot for the suggestions.
I dont know much about the sidewinder, but my current choices are.
very low weight champion valkyrie
any wieght pro roc
and any weight element.

What kind of plastic for the Element am I getting? weight? Sorry Im new at this. Thanks for being patient.





I'd go with "E" (Evolution Proline) b/c of its durability. Any weight will fly nice...I'm partial to max weight, but its a personal thing. Just starting out I'd go with mid 160's

I'd try a champion shark.

cool thanks everyone.
I went shopping around to get the feel for some of the discs like someone suggested. I had the get the Elite ZBuzzz. Its a 178. Im not sure how it compares to the one on the site I showed. Its clear green. Not tye dye. I hope that doesnt mean its not as good, but I must say that this feels like a solid disc.

I saw alot of valkyries I wanted, but they were all over 170. On the site they offer a 150 class. That doesnt seem right. Can someone confirm they exist?

Yes they exist.

EXCELLENT! Im gonna get the Valkyrie 150g and the Element max weight. I like heavy midrange discs.

I LOVED the classic roc when I first started playing. I could throw it on ANY angle and it would hold the line. I even used to putt with them. I would NOT rule out the Classic roc (DX, etc) as its a nice disc and a nice transitional disc when you start putting with avairs and driving with Rocs....

XD its a putter its a midrange. what more do ya want ohh and they have an awesome feel in the hand. also a champ shark would be one of my suggestions

Hmm. So maybe Ill have to reconsider the Element for the champ shark.... Tough decision.

I personally have had absolutely no luck with the XD, carried it in my bag for a few months, used a total of 4-6 times, and everytime it acted differently, so now it's in my bag of barely used plastic.

Hmm. So maybe Ill have to reconsider the Element for the champ shark.... Tough decision.



Your call....I personally think the Element would be straighter for you though.

(And don't worry, Evolution plastic is candy too so don't be discouraged by that factor.)

Im really sorry. But, Ill assume candy means good?
Once I learn this lingo Ill be a happy man.

Im really sorry. But, Ill assume candy means good?
Once I learn this lingo Ill be a happy man.



Candy is the clear/opaque plastic thats usually made up of mostly uretheyne. Its the most durable on the market.

(Gateway Evolution, Discraft Elite Z, and Innovas Champion)

Candy simply refers to the newest incarnations of plastics from specific producers intended to fill out "top of the line" product selections. Innova's is Champion (right now) Discraft is Elite Z (probably forever) and Gateway is "E" (a great start so I hear). These discs are designed with durability in mind. Check out discgolfreview.com I learned a lot without typing a thing. Blake's articles are easy to read and theres a ton of reference and technique discussion if you like that stuff. Z Wasp by discraft is a must fly. Bought 2 from a friend and love em. I'm not a power thrower in the least (350 max with my drivers downwind) but this disc will zip in any line especially "S"

EXCELLENT!
So Ill hopefully have all candies + 2 DX's and a putter.
It doesnt seem like a putter would need to be that durable. Right now Im using a Birdie. It seems alittle stiff. Id like it to stick to the chains better.

sweet thanks for the info

It doesnt seem like a putter would need to be that durable. Right now Im using a Birdie. It seems alittle stiff. Id like it to stick to the chains better.



once again, what seems to be the obvious truth to you now, will soon become obviously untrue (this has happened to all of us several times over years of playing). as you are able to throw farther and straighter, you will begin throwing your putters on holes that used to require you to throw a mid-range or driver. 'hopefully' you will be able to one day toss them near 300 ft, which means they will take much more of a beating than they did when used solely as "putters". so just be aware that one day you might run through them rather quickly, and will need to start designating some as "putters" and others as "throwers".

EXCELLENT!
So Ill hopefully have all candies + 2 DX's and a putter.
It doesnt seem like a putter would need to be that durable. Right now Im using a Birdie. It seems alittle stiff. Id like it to stick to the chains better.



For putting and approache shots, I love the JK Aviar-x as it is more durable than DX plastic and it is soft and grabs the chains. Some people don't like soft discs, but if you like the feel I would definitely recommend the JK Aviar-x. They made one run of harder JK aviars by mistake, so make sure you get the soft run (softer than regular Aviar putters).

When I first started buying discs, I bought too many and too many different kinds. Figure out how to throw what you have and like and then start buying extras. You can then carry say two Valk.s -- one beat and one new -- as the newer one will go more left and the beat one more right for you. Sidewinders are a lot like Valk.s. When you buy candy (champion), the plastic is more durable and more stable. So the discs will tend to go more to the left on you if you are a right handed thrower (backhand). A Champion Sidewinder may be more like a DX Valkyrie than a Champion Valkyrie is.

You might also get an Orc as a more stable version of the Valkyrie that is also an extremely long disc. It is better for headwind throws than Valk.s and Sidewinders too.

I'd recommend 4 drivers, 2 midranges, and 2 putters (same model and weight) but less is more. You might also play a few rounds with just a putter to help your game too.

Have fun and remember there is no short cut to take the place of practice (repetition).

ok then.
I would really like a softer putter for some shots and if u recommend 2 Ill get the Aviar X JK.
Ill also definentily need the 150 valk. So now the question is: If I have a Buzzz and a Shark DX, do I really need the Element? Im gonna be ordering this stuff tonite.

You could probably get by with just a Buzzz or a Shark or an Element, so you really don't need all three. Learn one and then when you play with other people see if they'll let you try out their discs to see if you like those models. If you find an Advanced player that plays well they may have a lot of discs they don't need anyway (from winning them) and they may either give you some or let you buy them cheap.

The reason I reccomend 2 putters, same model same weight, is so you can practice putting without a trip to the basket after every throw, and so you have a back-up that you already feel you're familiar with. If you are short on cash you could just get one. I also think you are better off with heavy putters and midranges -- but do whatever works for you.

nevermind. Decided to get em all. :cool:

Oh sorry bout that.
Im not short on cash, but I figure if Im going to buy them anyway, Ill get them now.

Hey, been there, done that. Whatever keeps you happy and in love with disc golf is good. I recommend though that you hold off writing your name with permanent ink on them until you decide which ones you want to keep. Then you easily can swap the others for stuff you like with someone else who bought or won more discs than they use.

I also recommend going to a soccer field and practicing midrange type shots using each one and learn how they fly for you. You can also imagine obstacles between you and the net that you have to throw around.

I also hesitate to buy green discs because they are so much harder to find when you travel into the rough :D

excellent advice. thanks much