james_mccaine
Jan 31 2005, 01:51 PM
I was recently asked alot of questions about the history of the PDGA. I didn't have many answers, just guesses. Is there a historical overview somewhere on this site and I'm just missing it? Is there a historical overview on another site?

If the answer is "no," could someone who knows fill me in on the following:


When was the PDGA formed?

Was there a predecessor organization to the PDGA?

When was that tournament in the Rose Bowl?

When the PDGA first formed, did it have an initial period where all the existing golfers joined and then grow at the rate of the sport as a whole?



That's enough for now.

neonnoodle
Jan 31 2005, 02:12 PM
James,

I hope someone answers these here, but it they don't shoot an email off to Brian or Dan and I am sure they'll be happy to answer them for you.

They're both listed in the Contact link.

Nick

my_hero
Jan 31 2005, 02:13 PM
When was that tournament in the Rose Bowl?



I believe 1978. Eric Marx showed me a pin on his bag that read "Rose Bowl '78."

I laughed when i realized that i was competing against someone who was playing in a tournament at the ROSE BOWL when i was only 6 years young.

bschweberger
Jan 31 2005, 02:16 PM
PDGA was founded in 1976

nix
Jan 31 2005, 02:52 PM
so was I

bschweberger
Jan 31 2005, 03:28 PM
3 years prior. for me.

Jan 31 2005, 04:00 PM
Here's a little info on pre-PDGA history to get you started. I found this a www.wfdf.com (http://www.wfdf.com) look for the history link near the bottom of the right hand column.

The first official disc golf tournament was held in Brookside park, Pasadena, CA, USA in 1969. It was one of the events during the "All Comers Meet". Jay Shelton won golf. The goals were natural objects marked with a ribbon.

In 1974 Disc golf was played in organised tournaments in USA. OCTAD was won by Keith White, The Northwestern Frisbee Tournament was won by Bruce Koger. Finally at the American Flying Disc Open (AFDO), Dan Roddick finished first and won a car. In this tournament small wooden boxes were put on the ground as targets.

The year after, disc golf was introduced into the World Frisbee Championship and the tournament was played on the first permanent course in Pasadena, California.

Click here to go to the WFDF rules for disc golf.

Winners of Disc Golf in World Overall Championships:
Prior to 1982, there had been no separate world championships held for disc golf and the winners of disc golf at the World Overall Championships were considered the world disc golf champions for each particular year. In 1982, the Professional Disc Golf Association began offering world championship events. The winners of those contests are now considered to be the world champions of disc golf for each particular year.
Open, Women, Juniors
1975: WFC, Tom Kennedy, USA,-,-
1976, WFC: John Kirkland, USA, Jo Cahow, USA,-
1977, WFC: Mark Horn, USA, Marie Murphy, USA, -
1978, WFC: John Connelly, USA, Gail McColl CAN,-
1979, WFC: Snapper Pierson, USA, Michele Marini, USA,-
1980, WFC: Jeff Watson, USA, Michele Marini, USA,-
1981, WFC: Craig Hunter, USA, Judy Horowitz, USA,-
1982, WFC: Scott Zimmermann, USA, Joann Loftus, USA,-
1983, Santa Cruz: Jerry Garrett, USA, Tami Pellicane, USA,-
1983, US Open: Dave Dunipace, USA, Judy Horowitz, USA,-
1984, Santa Cruz: Travis Reynolds, USA, Tami Pellicane, USA,-
1984, US Open: Steve Bentley, USA, Tami Pellicane, USA,-
1985, US Open: Randy Amann, USA, Judy Horowitz, USA,-
1985, WFDF: Sam Ferrans, USA, Tami Pellicane, USA, Mikko Laakso, FIN
1986, US Open: Randy Amann, USA, Wende Coates, USA,-
1987, US Open: John Ahart, USA, Chris O'Cleary, USA,-
1987, WFDF: Harvey Brandt, USA, Amanda Carreiro, USA,-
1988, US Open: Randy Amann, USA, Anni Kreml, USA,-
1988, WFDF: Snapper Pierson, Chris O'Cleary, USA,-
1989, US Open: Randy Amann, USA, Amy Bekken, USA,-
1989, WFDF: Mats Bengtsson, SWE, Joanne Gallagher, CAN, Timo Pursio, FIN
1990, US Open: Steve Valencia, USA, Tami Pellicane, USA,-
1991, WFDF: Jim Oates, USA, Amy Bekken, USA,-
1992, US Open: John Schiller, USA, Anni Kreml, USA,-
1993, WFDF: Snapper Pierson, USA, Amy Beken, USA,-
1994, US Open: Scott Stokely, USA, Amy Bekken, USA,-
1995, SWEdisc Open: Anders Sw�rd, SWE, Linda Isberg, SWE-
1996, US Open: Tomas Burvall, SWE, Anni Kreml, USA,-
1997, WFDF: Hartmut Wahrmann, GER, Regina Olnils, SWE
1999, WFDF: Laszlo Persson, SWE, Amy Bekken, USA,-
2001, WFDF: Snapper Pierson, USA, Tita Ugalde, USA, <18 Boys- Vehro Titcomb, USA, <12 Boys- Lee Chia-pin, ROC, <18 Girls- Lee Chen-chieh, ROC, <12 Girls- Tsai Hsin-jung, ROC
2003, WFDF: Conrad Damon, USA, Niloofar Mossavarrahmani, SWE,-

ck34
Jan 31 2005, 04:15 PM
Locate a copy of Victor Malafronte's book, "The Complete Book of Frisbee" for an excellent history. Here's a source:

http://www.ecampus.com/cat_searchresult.asp?cat1=Crafts+%26+Hobbies&cat2=Sports&cat3=&cat4=

james_mccaine
Jan 31 2005, 04:15 PM
Thanks for the answers y'all and thanks for the link Richard.

I hope someone has got alot of this stuff down and interviewing some of the pioneers while they are still around. It will be a great read in the future.

Josh, where were you founded? :p

james_mccaine
Jan 31 2005, 04:16 PM
So there is already a book. Thanks Chuck

nix
Jan 31 2005, 04:20 PM
when, not where! :D


and he won a car? anyone know what kind, or more on that story??

rhett
Jan 31 2005, 04:22 PM
It was something like a Datsun B210. I think he still has it. :)

ck34
Jan 31 2005, 04:23 PM
I just looked it over and there's not a lot about the PDGA history but about everything you would want to know about the evolution of Frisbee. I like the typo where it listed history bullets that in 2001 "Disc golf will be a full metal sport in the World Games at Akita." Full metal makes me think of samurai metallic golf discs.

Jan 31 2005, 04:30 PM
I can highly recommend Victor's book.

I can't swear that this is accurate but the story as I have heard it is that Jim Palmeri was the TD for the tournament offering the car. It was one of the first times that the east coast and west coat frisbee gurus competed against each other. The story goes that Jim was pretty confident that he would win so the plan was that he would be buying the car for himself.

rhett
Jan 31 2005, 04:32 PM
Dang east coast bias. :)

bschweberger
Jan 31 2005, 06:40 PM
Dang east coast bias. :)

Dam East Coasters.. :D

flynvegas
Jan 31 2005, 07:10 PM
I thought the DGA was formed in '76, then Ed turned it over to the PDGA?

First Rose Bowl was in '74.

I need to brush up on Victor's book again, read it a few years ago when it was released.

james_mccaine
Jan 31 2005, 07:23 PM
Interesting. Did they have DGA #s that transferred into PDGA #s?

"The first Rose Bowl"? Were there two? I was told by Don Wilchek about one and I thought he mentioned ABC wide world of sports coverage and a nice chunk of change if memory serves. Were these tourneys objects or baskets? and Did they basically play a course set up on the field or did they use the stadium/seating area also?

ck34
Jan 31 2005, 07:28 PM
Did they have DGA #s that transferred into PDGA #s?




I believe DGA was always a company not a member org. The numbers started with Ed's #001 in the PDGA. There were IFO (International Frisbee Org) member numbers you could sign up for back in the 60s and 70s thru purchasing the Wham-O Frisbees.

flynvegas
Jan 31 2005, 10:49 PM
There were many World Frisbee Championships held at the Rose Bowl, 1st was in '74, and I believe the last was in '82, maybe '83. Before my time. They played all the Frisbee events, and you had to qualify to get in. They had MTA, Accuracy, TRC, Distance, Freestyle, K9 dogs, Disc Golf, ......
They played disc golf at the first disc golf course down the road at Oak Grove. The winners got their names on the World Class Frisbbe each year. Victor was the winner of the first one.

Whamo was a big sponsor back in the day when Ed worked there. The PDGA Worlds and US Open at La Mirada replaced the Rose Bowl Tournaments.Now WFDF does all the events.

Feb 01 2005, 07:43 PM
When was the PDGA formed?

1976

Was there a predecessor organization to the PDGA?

WFDF

When was that tournament in the Rose Bowl?

First World Frisbee Championship, 1974 (Victor Malafronte and Jo Cahow won); disc golf added to WFC, 1975 (Tom Kennedy won DG).

rizbee
Feb 01 2005, 09:47 PM
Here are a few points I remember - please point out anything inaccurate:

Along with the WFC's held at the Rose Bowl there were a series of tournaments held around the U.S. and Canada called the North American Series. Each of these meets had 2 or 3 events that you could compete in and earn points toward qualifying for the WFC. For example, in 1979 I went to the NAS meet in Sarasota, FL and competed in golf and M.T.A. (maximum time aloft - the disc, not me). We played the golf event on the campus of the University of South Florida "New College" in Sarasota - the targets were rings of chicken wire on the ground with a stick in the middle.

Wham-O heavily subsidized the NAS - it was a big marketing tool for them.

All of these activities were chronicled in Frisbee World Magazine, which was published quarterly by the International Frisbee Association (IFA). The IFA was a Steady Ed vehicle funded by Wham-O, once again as a marketing tool.

Those were great days for all disc sports - lots of fun and manufacturer support. In the early/mid 80's a lot of that support (Wham-O) went away, and it took a while for the current manufacturers to gear up and grow enough to be able to support the game the way they now do.

rizbee
Feb 01 2005, 09:52 PM
[QUOTE]
Was there a predecessor organization to the PDGA?

WFDF
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I would say that the IFA was more of a predecessor to the PDGA than WFDF was. WFDF and the PDGA were devloping simultaneously (along with the FPA and UPA), and I think a lot of that development was spawned from the inital support that came from the IFA (and Wham-O).

I never saw many WFDF-sponsored/sanctioned golf events back in the 70's, but I sure saw events sponsored/sanctioned by the IFA.