Okay, it seems like everyone is disagreeing on what should happen to Texas States. I have two points about it, and a poll that, if is not helpful, hopefully will be one-upped by a better poll.

1. The tournament that has usually been "Texas States" is a great one held by the HFDS. I went in 2003 and had a blast despite the rain. I think that Houston should have a very major tournament each year that is very similar to this one no matter what happens. I didn't go last year because of bad timing. I won't go this year due to bad timing (VPO, then out of town wedding, then need a break, then Oklahoma Open-a great warmup to next year's Worlds). I hate that, because I'd like to be there.
2. Having a rotating schedule will without a doubt get more players involved in the State Championship. There are many people that don't want to travel to the same place every year. I pick and choose mine carefully. That being said, let's hear your good arguments, the ones that were starting to unwind in the "Texas States Questions" thread.

What's up with the polling feature...it seems to never put the questions in the right order. They should be read #3, #2, #1, then #4.

states belongs in houston. its their biggest event by far. all other regions have major events already.

having the same core group of people run states every year is very valuable (even if the makeup of that core group changes over time). exposing states to lots of different clubs, tds, etc puts it at risk from all sorts of things. it probably is better to keep things simple.

states is not like worlds, no real purpose is served by rotating it.

Gee, seems like I'm not the only one who likes the rotating idea or the cities I named in the first post on the thread which Gimp said I shouldn't be on (crybaby).

BTW, Lubbock was just a lark/out there pick.

We can cry together next time we meet my friend...

Yada, yada, yada.

Why don't you just admit you're not willing to discuss it?

I think it has been made clear in other threads that �Houston� does not want to give up the name. Not just me in that opinion BTW� Since we don�t use the old threads people can�t scroll up and read that. Of course, that could change who knows.

I couldn't leave out something from the west side of the state. Waco is the best, most central place. Keep in mind what I said for those of you who think we'd be taking away Houston's baby...Houston should still continue to have an A-tier status (or HUGE B-tier) tournament if the championship were to rotate. Live Oak, Waco, Austin, and DFW do, so just because that has historically been there's doesn't mean they should be thrown out completely. What we're really trying to do is rename the current Houston tourney, and add a bigger event to the schedule. Sound good?

Why doesn't H-town want to give up the name of TEXAS STATES?

Let's just call it Houston States.

I'm making a valid argument, but its always more fun just to pick on me for being a rabble rouser, huh?

I couldn't leave out something from the west side of the state. Waco is the best, most central place. Keep in mind what I said for those of you who think we'd be taking away Houston's baby...Houston should still continue to have an A-tier status (or HUGE B-tier) tournament if the championship were to rotate. Live Oak, Waco, Austin, and DFW do, so just because that has historically been there's doesn't mean they should be thrown out completely. What we're really trying to do is rename the current Houston tourney, and add a bigger event to the schedule. Sound good?



Two flaws.
1: You need three courses relatively close. Houston has three, Live Oak has room for three. Waco might be able to swing Woodway in the mix. Austin? APARD will say no (and too spread out, traffic during course commutes could be nightmarish.) Round Rock? Maybe, although all three are scattered and would require 3x the staff. DFW? And you think Houston is too spread out, unless Cedar Hill has room for a third.

2: Another event on an overpacked schedule?

a third flaw: HOUSTON already hosts the Texas State Championships, and they are not interested in moving it around the state.

:D

MINE, MINE, MINE.

Sounds like my kid...when she was TWO.

i know you claim to have the same feelings about World Doubles, so when should we expect multiple antagonistic thread about that one?

or are you just being a prick towards the houston crew because you know Houck would squash you like the gnat you are?

Hmmm , I would be Interested to see what this poll says a week from now when we get alot of votes .I agree with The guys in H town about all the hard work and the years they have been doing this event ,Great Job .My Personal Opinion Is it would be Helpful to the State as a Whole,It would get the Tds Involved and working together for a Common Goal ,It would also Give the Major Tds a Break and A couple of years to work on Major sponsorship .Maybe if all the Tds worked on this at the sponsorship Level Maybe we could land a real Big statewide sponsor That could push us over the edgeand our sport will explode. .But at the Snail Pace we are going who Knows . :cool:

Okay, let's never allow Mark to have a good idea again because he pulled on the wrong panties. You guys are missing the point. But in the case of you, Pat, that's not entirely surprising.

Mark, you know as well as anybody that running the event is the easiest part of putting on an A-Tier sized event. The support and logistics of this would be a lot of work for a whoever took it on each year. I brought up the idea earlier as a carrot to get cities to develop championship courses, and give Houston a break. Houston does not want a break, they keep it.

If anyone else wants to step up to that level, there are plans for a Texas rating scheme (remember the TD Summit ?) that will let you advertise to the texas players.

Do you know how tough it would be to schedule a rotating A-Tier sized event around the state toward the end of the season ?

Its just an idea that you and I and others have discussed (way before I ever made any supposed bed to lie in) and I thought I'd bring it up to see if any further discussion had been done on it.

But Eff me, let's shoot the messenger for chrissakes.

I'm not jumping on you. I presented the same idea earlier to Houston. After much consideration, I am now of the opinion that a rotating large scale event would quickly become unmanagable. That's just based on the support level required over time to drum up the sponsorship and volunteers to pull the event off every year.

Now you need a few people that follow the event where ever it goes to keep some level of continuity in the event from year to year. You also have to shuffle events to lessen the impact on the neighboring events when it wanders around the state.

Give me a call sometime and we can discuss the pros and cons.

Its alright bud, I know that because I sinned against the DG world by pointing out the way the TPCC folks handle their business and the fact that one of our own pulled a fast one on someone else, now I'm a pariah.

Like Tony said, now I have to lie in my bed.

Which I think I'll go do.

You guys have a grand old time

Late

the fact that one of our own pulled a fast one on someone else,



If you are directing that at me Mark I just don�t understand why you do not believe the truth that I posted about my conversation with Park. I sure wish that dude had not called me after all this garbage.

If that was not directed at me � please ignore this post�

The Houston Open sounds cool :cool:

I like the Bayou City Open myself...

I got a question, why does anyone care what the freaking name of tournament is? I mean, if you won Texas States and beat some top regional players, or won Z Boaz while beating Schults and countless other country-wide players, which victory would you be most proud of?

Also, the fact that Houston has the name "Texas States" in no way prevents any other Texas city or club from putting on a world-class event, or in no way prevents Texans from supporting a yearly world class event that rotates on some yearly cycle.

There is already a Bayou Open. The Houston Open is muncho better :D

Let's rename Houston's event to The "12 inches deep Open." :eek:

There was a lot of rain there in the past wasn't there ?

Hopefully the scehdule change will help with that.

Your mind is in the gutter! :D

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Still a small sample (31), but I agree, it is a run away vote so far.

There is already a Bayou Open. The Houston Open is muncho better :D



Sounds like a bolf tournament to me...

Leave Texas States alone.

Create a new tourney with a fun name, and build it up to an A-tier over time.

"The Texas Traveller Tourney"

"The Crawlin' Cowboy Open"

"Wandering Through the Republic"

the "Cindy Sheehan Memorial"

Geez guys...I sure am reluctant to wade into this mess.

Atwood - all of the popular opinion polls in the world doesn't change fact. Probably every TD in Texas would love to run a tournament called Texas State Disc Golf Championship. But they can't/don't...why? Because the name belongs to the Houston disc golfers and the Houston disc golfers aren't willing to give it up.

In a similar fashion, don't you think that all disc golfers would prefer to see us refer to our sport as "Frisbee Golf?" Do you think that all of the public opinion polls would sway Whammo? Nope...I suspect it has been tried.

So why would you think that a poll such as this would soften anyone in Houston's stance on the matter? You been hangin' out in the sun too long? Did you ever stop to consider for one tiny, brief moment that the net effect of this kind of jazz might actually do more harm than good?

What's in a name? Everything. Brand name recognition is what folks remember, and the brand name of Texas States has been around for 10 years. How do you propose compensating Houston for that? If you want Houston to give up our "name" then as I proposed before, let every other tournament give up their name too. Seems fair to me. Doesn't it? No more COTO, no more Waterloo (egads!!!) no more VPO, no more Victoria Open - everyone has to find a new name to run their events under.

Just because folks like you claim some altruistic purpose for wanting it doesn't make it right.

Houston has it...whether you like it or not.

So maybe the proper framework for discussion ought to be something like: "The State Championship is in Houston. Do other state TDs want to be a part of forming the biggest and best state championship ever or not?"

In the past, TDs have overwhelmingly rejected any kind of partnership with the Houston organizers to build something like this. Well, that is their choice. Houston continues to run this top quality event anyway and we continue to seek partnership with other TDs to build it. There has been more interest in partnering for a state championship, but it is with the strings of "only if it can rotate to my city" attached. Sorry, but that isn't an offer on the table.

Gimp is willing to put his very popular GCCS series of events on the line to at least bring participation to other cities in an effort to build such a championship. Folks interested in building a state championship series ought to be jumping on board with John. (It is in the best interest of Texas disc golf, right?)

It is undeniably in the best interests of the state championships. Whether it is in the best interest of the other regions or whether it encourages development of championship caliber facilities in other cities in the state are different questions.

Atwood - all of the popular opinion polls in the world doesn't change fact. Probably every TD in Texas would love to run a tournament called Texas State Disc Golf Championship. But they can't/don't...why? Because the name belongs to the Houston disc golfers and the Houston disc golfers aren't willing to give it up.

In a similar fashion, don't you think that all disc golfers would prefer to see us refer to our sport as "Frisbee Golf?" Do you think that all of the public opinion polls would sway Whammo? Nope...I suspect it has been tried.

So why would you think that a poll such as this would soften anyone in Houston's stance on the matter? You been hangin' out in the sun too long? Did you ever stop to consider for one tiny, brief moment that the net effect of this kind of jazz might actually do more harm than good?



Chingster, my friend, just FYI, I didn't start this poll or this thread. Wasn't sure if you noticed that or not. :cool:

BTW, I was just asking a question, based on conversations I'd had with numerous others, who shall go unamed due to the H-town curse being brought down upon them. (That's just humor, folks. :) )

Sorry Markster - I got lost in reading all of the posts with whom started it. I was essentially responding to one of your subsequent posts on this thread. Please accept my apology for implying that you were the author.

Look for a PM from me too! :D

Leave Texas States alone.

Create a new tourney with a fun name, and build it up to an A-tier over time.

"The Texas Traveller Tourney"

"The Crawlin' Cowboy Open"

"Wandering Through the Republic"

Texas Players Championship :o

Texas Players Championship :o



That sounds great to me. :D How many events will make up the TPC?

Texas Players Championship :o


I said a fun name! :)

Howza 'bout this:

Wanderlust, in the Dust :D

:DTEXAS STATE FINALS

Texas nitty gritty rain festival championships

pruned fingers finals! :D

pruned fingers finals! :D



your fingers arent pruned they just been up your arse to long :o:D

No that oriface would be my nose, but after following me from thread to thread I would say that you are the one with something up your azzz. :D:D:D

the only thing that is in my arse is chit so I'm surpise that I dont see you all the time when I'm done chitting Grunion's :D

I'm sorry. I dont know you well enough to find that humor funny. :|

Go back to bagging in the am class. You do a better job.

No bagger here my rating is a 876 which is intermediate (875-915)which I play you on the other hand dont have a rating cuz of your scab status

So would you like to play for some incentives or no? :D

Texas nitty gritty rain festival championships



Remember they will probably put it in a desert for this one. I vote that we have the TPC at Highbridge Hills in WI.
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