so far all I got info wise on my own was
a) buy the dye 50 bucks with instructions
b) or make the dye

the recipe I got so far was rit and detergent...sounds fishy

as for technique for tie-dye swirlies a potters wheel was used

I personally hate tie dye discs so thats out

I do like the Wi-die and Dr. Dye stuff and I was wondering what was used as a template for the geometric art.

anyway I'm an ol art schooler (design) and was wondering so I can make a few discs of my own.

Thanks for any imput

Drew

if you are looking for cheap dye that will last forever. Go to a shoe store and buy leather dye. It is cheap, comes in tons of colors and lasts forever!!!! check it out. My friend has been dying with leather dye for 5 years and it works amazing.

Steve Parker had a thread ( Disc dyeing 101 (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=437977&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1) ) about how to dye discs. A lot of good info.

a Vinyl Plotter cutter could be the answer to your geometric concerns... Both Wi-dye and the good Doctor are on record stating that there work is done by hand. While I am inclined to believe them I wonder why some of the lines on the Wi-dye discs have a pixilated look to the edges...

Anyway I plan on getting a plotter and doing some geometric designs of my own and I will not be ashamed to admit I will be using a computer to help me get the look I want.

So far the cheapest new plotter cutter I have seen that will really work is This one (http://www.signsupplystore.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=0&idproduct=13169)

good luck with the design and the dye... you may want to search there hav been several other dyes discussed in this forum a good start is disperse dyes... Rit will work it will take a lot of experimentation to get vibrant colors in a consistancy that will work well.

:p

I am sorry, but I don't believe that those are hand done. looks like a stencil printed off the computer to me.

I can confirm that I DO NOT use any kind of computer aid, stencil's or plotter for ANY of my designs. I know anyone that has been in my DR DYED studio knows its a fact!!! I agree that some of Josh's stuff has looked pixelated lately. I can only speak for myself I guess, as I am not sure what Josh is using for his techniques.

There are really many ways to get stencil type looking work. There is good info on many threads here on this website if you do a little searching. Also, there is some info at discgolfreview.com.

I put out my kit just people just like you :D Someone who wants to start dyeing their own discs!!! I know for a fact, if you go out purchase/find a cheap receipe, then go purchase all the stuff you want to get started, then through the process of trial and error anybody will end up spending $50 anyway on dye, supplies, and everything else you will need to get started!!! Why not buy the dye and all the instructions you need from the name you know!!! That is why I made the kit in the first place, to get everyone on board with disc dyeing!!! Its a blast!!!

In my humble opinion and experience, $50 isnt really that much when you are talking about all my experience and my own personal reciepe that I am selling to anyone who wants to buy it!!! I really think, and know for a fact for myself, that anyone would spend way more than $50 trying to figure out how to dye a disc and make it look nice!!!

If anyone has any question about any of my kits feel free to contact me at [email protected] or PM me here. I am always happy to answer any questions anyone has before and after any purchase from me!!! If there is one thing I strive the most for, its quality products!!!

Do some searching, if you dont want to make a purchase, no skin off my teeth. Nobody was willing to help me when I got started and I did all the searching myself. I know there is much much more info available now then there was then, and I still found the info I needed, or found out through trial and error. Anyone can do this and have fun with it. Good luck!!!

dr dye............I was not speaking of your disc. Yours are truly amazing!!!!!!!!!!

Im, just not so sure about the others.

But like I said earlier............go cheap, go for leather dye. It lasts as long as any other dye I have seen and does not bleed or fade from what I have seen in the 4 years I have owned my discs dyed with leather dye.

calligraphy pens with dye work wonders

my site has had a spot where people have posted dye methods for a few years.
http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/dye.shtml

Well I'm glad to see people more interested in dying these days.

I would say I do 50% of my work free hand and I will not deny that I use a plotter for the remaining 50% of my work. That has increased due to supply and demand from my customers. To give you an idea I just accomplished about 300 dyes in the past 5 weeks. So I have been busy.

The designs I have been doing just recently however are done by myself. I have stuck time and material in perfecting my style.

I will agree with joe that $50 isnt really that much when you are talking about all the experience you will gain and as you can see we have been very successful at our work. Trial and error is the key. Nobody handed us the info on a platter. Success will come with searching that is for sure!! This thread has been very useful for many dyers out there.

Thank you,

Josh
WIDYE (http://www.widye.com)
[email protected]

I have successfully dyed my first disc. I found it to be quite easy, with the exception being the cutting of the mask which was time consuming. Granted it is a fairly basic single-color but here is my sidewinder:

http://www.discgolftacoma.com/_Mitch/dye01.jpg

I took clear contact paper and covered the top of the disk completely with an extra inch on every side. I then took a printout of what I wanted to dye and taped it to the contact paper. I cut out the design carefully with an xacto blade and removed the contact paper from where I wanted the color to go. I bought a pan at the thrift store and some black Rit dye. I filled the pot 1/3 full, boiled the water and stirred in the dye. I let it cool for about 8 minutes until it seemed lukewarm. I then lowered the disc upside down into the dye holding it by the flaps of the extra contact paper. I let it soak for five minutes. I then removed the disc and rinsed it in cool water. Finally I removed the contact paper mask and whoop there it is. I am pleased.

$3.75 Rit dye
$1.99 Pot at thrift store
$6.95 Contact paper
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12.69 cash + the cost of the disc + the time I spent making it = priceless. :)

I would say I do 50% of my work free hand and I will not deny that I use a plotter for the remaining 50% of my work. That has increased due to supply and demand from my customers. To give you an idea I just accomplished about 300 dyes in the past 5 weeks. So I have been busy.



I can understand the need for extra demand!!! In the last 4 months I have dyed around 4000 disc for just one company, plus another 500 or so for a few other companys :cool: Granted I am talking about spin art, but I have probably done around 100 custom also in the last 4 months(I could probably pump out more but I still do have a day time job). From custom original geometrics to bad #$*&$! portraits(Check out my 1st full color portrait of Walter Payton here... SWEETNESS (http://www.drdyed.com/gallery/album55/WalterPayton?full=1) ) I have thought about buying a plotter before but I think I can do better designs by hand than any plotter I could afford could do for me. Sure, it would save time, but aren't dyed discs all suppose to be different from eachother?? You know, all one of a kinds, the way spin art paved the road and started it all. Who knew guys like myself and countless others would be doing what we can do with dye and a plastic disc??? I guess I probably wont ever buy a plotter because I personally like the idea of each disc being unique :D

I always try to encourage anyone who wants to get started in dyeing discs!!! I would tell anyone to try out a bunch of stuff, until you find what works best for you!!! Try to keep it original!!!

oh and, Thanks Sandalbagger for the kind words:DI know you have some of my best work!!!

Yep. I love the Jbird repeat rainbow dyes. They are the best!!

Are dye guy message board production numbers like disc golfer message board distance numbers? Because I only did like 60 or 70 discs in the last three weeks, but if that converts to 600 or 700 on the message board, I'm cool with that! :D

I'm mostly doing what I do which is not as time consuming as sticker work but more time consuming than spin art. I mostly just do a few discs for my own tournaments so we can hav some dyed stuff that is not like everyone else's dyed stuff.

Bruce, I can't speak for anyone else, but I know the #'s I say I have done are not exaggerated, just ask Blake T.

Hey Dr. Dye. I too would like to be able to do my own dye work for ace pools, CTP's, bag tag tourneys, and larger tourneys. Is that dye recipe for sale, and can you create any color dye to suit your needs with it?

Do you make any tee shirts to match your dyed discs ?

LastBoyScout, sorry my receipe is not for sale.

Quickdisc, I have done some limited dyed shirts, however they look like your standard tye dyed shirt. No geometric designs or anything like that.

Jo-Jo, I was just making a jo-joke. No offense intended. If you are doing 4000 in four months part-time, it might be time to make the leap into full-time disc dying and part-time something else.

LastBoyScout, sorry my receipe is not for sale.

Quickdisc, I have done some limited dyed shirts, however they look like your standard tye dyed shirt. No geometric designs or anything like that.

You want to use other dyes for shirts, anyway. You could do some really cool stuff with procion dyes and batique wax masking if you were doing shirts. My sister did some cool batique stuff in the 70s, but I don't know what she used for dye.

Bruce, no offense taken, its hard to read emotion in script :D

I still need a few more large spin art customers to really go full time. Dyeing 1000 discs a month isn't enough to live on really. 4000 discs then we may be talking full time!!!

Innova, Discraft, any other disc manufacturers/disc distributors need your discs tye dyed??? Just PM me for prices and quantity discounts :D

Bruce funny you mention the wax method. I have done some research into dyeing art onto fabric and that looked like the best method I have found, although I have yet to try it.

So Gentlemen, I have seen someone say a potters wheel, but what other proven methods, maybe a little more mainstream have you used to do spin art for dyes?

get a cheap record player

I was thinking about it, It would atleast have a variable speed that way. I guess that building a set of side walls would be needed as well. How high would they need to be and would I need a lid? Would the paint even splatter up towards me?

go to a good will or st vinnies and buy a used record player and test it out. I had one in the past.

Has anyone posted this site yet?
http://www.spinartusa.com/starter.htm

Has anyone posted this site yet?
http://www.spinartusa.com/starter.htm



Machine motor only one speed. That will not fly with me. Im thinking a record player and adding an inline voltage regulator so that I could run a dye spining real slow, and then really speed it up so I would have some difference in paint velocity and splatter pattern.

Well, no spin art from me...I just did these this morning. It took about 30min to cut the masks out, then I let them soak for about 8-10min in the dye and then washed them off. I had a little bleeding at the edges of the contact paper. It was a little hard for me to see what wasn't cut when I started to remove the mask and I ended up with a few rough edges, hence the bleeding. Maybe I need some glasses, or more lights/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Overall though, I'm pretty happy with how they turned out. Maybe I'll try some multi-colors next time.

"Tigerwinder"
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1278/4346256/9166646/163636057.jpg

"Prison Tat"
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1278/4346256/9166646/163641378.jpg

Nice. i just mixed up some dye today and Im letting it sit to thicken up so I can paint on some stencils.

OK so I have photographed my first stencil dye. What do you think?

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/superq16504/untitled.jpg

OK so I have photographed my first stencil dye. What do you think?

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/superq16504/untitled.jpg


Cool! Gives a whole new meaning to 'football' stamp?!!

Has anyone used sodium alginate to thicken their dye? If not, what is your method. I have tried to let the dye setup on its own, but this newer method is taking its time. Powdered RIT and Acetone set up in a few minutes. Any other suggestions?

sodium algenate will work as a thickener but it has no emulsification assistance...

I would advise you to steer clear of accetone. not only is it a carcogene but it is also not nescessary at all. you can also use flour and water to make paste...

think back to art class and all of the wonderfull household products that you can use. I will tell you that rubber cement will not work as a mask when using rit dye.

Well, I have had enough chemistry and cooking to know that when emulsification occurs, it is a liquid suspending a liquid. This is merely a solute that is being created.

However, if I was to create a solute that was too thick, I could add acetone to help thin out and emulsify the substance. This would also severally reduce the time needed for this dye to sit on an object in order to dye it.

Other thought would be to create a very gelatinous two rit powder pack to small amount of acetone creation. Mix this creation with a small amount of detergent and salt until the mixture is the right consistancy. This might prove easier to dye with, creating a stronger dye with less curing time.

Dunno.... gonna have to spend some money and try it all out.

Take it from me and my experience, Acetone will warp and eat through golf discs...

Avoid it like the plauge, I dont even use it to remove hotstamps anymore.

I think my brother Jon tried sodium alginate. I don't know whether he got good results that way. Seems like the thickener caused the dye to come out lighter but it did help with applying the dye by brush.

I've been dying discs all week, one for me and one for the other guy, one for me and one for the other guy. I do two discs in a row with the same pattern so that I know the other guy is not getting all the cool stuff or all the lame stuff. I'm never sure which is which. I'm almost done with the other guy's stuff [if you are reading] but I have a gazillion more of my own to dye.

Take it from me and my experience, Acetone will warp and eat through golf discs...

Avoid it like the plauge, I dont even use it to remove hotstamps anymore.



Everytime I have used it, It only sat on the disc for about 15 minutes and then I washed it off.

If you are not using acetone, what are you using to remove hot stamps?

http://a1468.g.akamai.net/f/1468/580/1d/pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/81953/200.jpg

... takes alot of elbow grease to remove a stamp using that. I never thought that stamp was coming off. I might need to get a newer bottle from the store today and try it again.

new bottle will be the the answer I pour it on and the stamp wipes right off. as good if not better than acetone...