The point is that there's more validity and simplicity for doing it the way we do than any other way because there's no way to prove that the course doesn't actually play tougher one round versus another. And it's the only way to account for weather differences. The pattern indicating that lower rated pools get worse ratings than higher rated pools on the same course was discovered, analyzed and has been adjusted for. I'm not sure we'll find any other improvements along these lines unless we start analyzing and tracking subratings for players' abilities on hills, in the woods and in the open, then adjust SSA values based on the average skill set of the propagators on the course each round. Maybe it will happen?



I understand all of that, and I know that it will take time to refine and adjust to make it all work "Best"

I just see things that dont add up....
Certain courses play off from others..or so it seems..

The fact that because MORE 1000+ rated players are playing will produce HIGHER rated rounds is what I have the problem with........

How many times can a 1030 rated player ALWAYS so in the 1050's and 1060's. It just doesnt seem to pan out... :p

What rule was that you write of?

And now I guess I know another reason I don't compete at worlds.



Pool A = 72 players, pool B = 72 players
pools are equally seeded with good players.
Pool A plays the long open course 1 in good weather.
Pool B plays the long open course 1 in poor conditions.

Normal process shuffles pool A & B based on total score.

Bad weather shuffle takes the top 36 players from each pool and puts them in the A pool.
The bottom 36 players from each pool go into the B pool.
Then all of the scores get thrown away and you start fresh.

I think wiping the scores is the biggest stumbling block.

I thought worlds was supposed to be random. Now it's seeded by ratings? Why?



It's been seeded since about 2000 or so so the 1997 Charlotte Worlds debacle doesn't happen again. One pool across town played the open courses one day and the other pool played in the woods. The next day, the winds really picked up with some rain on the open courses and the pool scores were at least four shots on average worse in equally seeded pools. Now, the A pool in Open has the top seeds by ratings. Within the A pool, each group is equally balanced so the top guys aren't together every round.



Uh, Actually ONLY 2 people from the B Pool actually were able to CASH at those worlds, because of the winds at Winthrop that day.... I think only 1 person was under par at "Eagles Landing?"(The ball golf course at Winthrop) and over 1/2 the field in the A Pool was under par.. :p

That really SUCK'D...can you guess which pool I was in.. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I remember stepping out of my car and having my hat blow about 1000" straight into the Lake :eek:
I knew it was gonna be a BAD DAY... :(

So , I kinda like the seeding part of it....

The way around it is to request to be "Pooled" with a "High Ranked Player" as a "Traveling partner" needing to share rides. Then there is a good chance you will be placed in the A Pool with them /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
:D

Been there, Done that ;)

What rule was that you write of?

And now I guess I know another reason I don't compete at worlds.



Pool A = 72 players, pool B = 72 players
pools are equally seeded with good players.
Pool A plays the long open course 1 in good weather.
Pool B plays the long open course 1 in poor conditions.

Normal process shuffles pool A & B based on total score.

Bad weather shuffle takes the top 36 players from each pool and puts them in the A pool.
The bottom 36 players from each pool go into the B pool.
Then all of the scores get thrown away and you start fresh.

I think wiping the scores is the biggest stumbling block.



That would have been the best solution at the time, BUT I can see where you would REALLY make 1/2 the people "Kinda upset" /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I think wiping the scores is the biggest stumbling block.


That is true, but you don't get to that point unless the recorded scores are inherently unfair due to different weather at different courses.

If the really bad weather happens after "the great shuffle", the whole thing is kinda screwed. If the bad weather happens before the shuffle, you can recover if the pools are seeded equally. By stacking the pools with all the top ratings in one pool, you are just flat out screwed no matter when the unfair weather happens.

David Gray is 1001 rated. He went from 1 behind me to 21 ahead of me.

I will go jump in a lake now.

chuck... do you remember the post below from sept 6th...here are the rounds staring with the injury which swelled up during the lunch break between rd 1 and 2 at ridge ferry......
now you tell me these belong in the ratings for another year...
i don't care about MY rating...i care about my rating messing up EVERYONE ELSE'S rating in every event i play for the next year...you always have said that if rounds had anomolies like missed holes or tin cupping that would skew the ratings they should be pointed out for accuracy...well i pointed out my "tin cupping" in advance so i would again pose the question can these be corrected OR at least not be DOUBLE WEIGHTED?

thanks in advance for your help,knowledge and gumption with the ratings...
keith
Tournament Date Round Score Rating Included
PDGA Professional Disc Golf World Championships 09-Aug to 12-Aug-2006 1 63 863 Yes
PDGA Professional Disc Golf World Championships 09-Aug to 12-Aug-2006 2 57 919 Yes
PDGA Professional Disc Golf World Championships 09-Aug to 12-Aug-2006 3 58 960 Yes
PDGA Professional Disc Golf World Championships 09-Aug to 12-Aug-2006 4 73 934 Yes
PDGA Professional Disc Golf World Championships 09-Aug to 12-Aug-2006 5 56 921 Yes
PDGA Professional Disc Golf World Championships 09-Aug to 12-Aug-2006 6 59 924 Yes
Hotlanta 05-Aug to 06-Aug-2006 1 58 878 Yes
Hotlanta 05-Aug to 06-Aug-2006 2 55 928 Yes
Hotlanta 05-Aug to 06-Aug-2006 3 47 978 Yes
Hotlanta 05-Aug to 06-Aug-2006 4 50 937 Yes
Ridge Ferry Open 08-Jul to 09-Jul-2006 1 51 992 Yes
Ridge Ferry Open 08-Jul to 09-Jul-2006 2 56 919 Yes
Ridge Ferry Open 08-Jul to 09-Jul-2006 3 56 913 Yes
Ridge Ferry Open 08-Jul to 09-Jul-2006 4 56 923 Yes


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hey chuck...serious question

is it possible to have rounds played with torn tendons and muscles within a 6 day period EXCLUDED from the ratings with a doctors note?

i knew my arm was hurt(didn't know that badly) but played the hotlanta supertour and pro worlds (of which all those rounds being double weighted) which does not paint an accurate picture of my truly bad(958)rating ...

it will take a year for those inaccurate rounds to come off my ratings...which would not seem to be fair to the ratings
</font>

What rule was that you write of?

And now I guess I know another reason I don't compete at worlds.



Pool A = 72 players, pool B = 72 players
pools are equally seeded with good players.
Pool A plays the long open course 1 in good weather.
Pool B plays the long open course 1 in poor conditions.

Normal process shuffles pool A & B based on total score.

Bad weather shuffle takes the top 36 players from each pool and puts them in the A pool.
The bottom 36 players from each pool go into the B pool.
Then all of the scores get thrown away and you start fresh.

I think wiping the scores is the biggest stumbling block.

[/QUOTE]

That would have been the best solution at the time, BUT I can see where you would REALLY make 1/2 the people "Kinda upset" /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[/QUOTE]

:eek:

Sorry, I didn't catch what rule that was.
Sure you could wipe and draw anew, but then, what a waste of time.
Seeding is elitist, and maybe it should be. I just don't like or agree with it.
I wonder what would happen if the seeded A pool had bad weather and the B pool had perfect conditions.
Shotgun starts work great for local events, but majors should look towards tee times.
BOB

I not trying to pick a fight with anyone but don't you see that what you said is contradicting? You say you don't care about you're ratings; yet you ask once again to have them dropped due to injury. It has nothing to do with the fact you dropped -13 points is it?

It seems that you Do CARE about your RATINGS. How about they just clear all your ratings for the whole year then? If that was approved then there would be hundreds with with possibly not so honest reasons to have there ratings dropped also. I can just see it now�

I had tendons repaired in my left foot/ankle and I'm a lefty backhand so that is my plant foot. Does that mean I can drop all my rounds also then? Until they come up with a form that sifts through the legit requests I doubt it will happen anytime soon.

I just accept what I can do now. I go to the event to have a great time and meet some great people.

Again just my 2 cent opinion�..

I care about my ratings... If I help TD again while playing, I can go back to AM2!!!! :eek: ;)

Biggest jump ever..18pts. Thank you Chuck for not adding the Michigan State CHamps.



ditto minus the biggest jump....



I hit 929, now I have to play MA-1.... If they had added state champs, I'd still be able to play AM-2!! Why, oh why did it not get added in.... (I'm fairly sure I didn't even get a single 910 rated round in that weekend......)

I care about my ratings... If I help TD again while playing, I can go back to AM2!!!! :eek: ;)

I find it very hard to play my best while also being concerned about the tournament. It has taken me this many years to get to "I don't give a wit about the tournament" on the day I'm playing.

not fighting..
if you look at what i posted on the 6th(LONG BEFORE RATINGS CAME OUT!)
i knew what was coming...

i care about the garbage in- garbage out of the ratings...
as a td it bothers me that if ratings are wrong...it messes with EVERYONE at the event that plays the course i play....

anyways i always have fun with my ratings...
i think i hold the record for most 1000(or very close to 1000) then 900(or very close to 900) rounds back to back in the same events :D

it has kept me at that solid 950-960 mark my whole career :eek: :D

keith

ps the point of last nights post was really to show that you can see in the ratings EXACTLY when i got hurt...nothing else

I understand. With my injury I probably could of shot 30 points higher if I was 100% then.

Reason I commented was the fact that Chuck already explained that they wouldn't be able to do anything about it already.

Hope the injury gets better and goes away Keith.

Josh

not fighting..
if you look at what i posted on the 6th(LONG BEFORE RATINGS CAME OUT!)
i knew what was coming...

i care about the garbage in- garbage out of the ratings...
as a td it bothers me that if ratings are wrong...it messes with EVERYONE at the event that plays the course i play....

anyways i always have fun with my ratings...
i think i hold the record for most 1000(or very close to 1000) then 900(or very close to 900) rounds back to back in the same events :D

it has kept me at that solid 950-960 mark my whole career :eek: :D

keith

ps the point of last nights post was really to show that you can see in the ratings EXACTLY when i got hurt...nothing else


If you're going to enter a tournament injured, why would you enter with your PDGA number? Can't you enter and not submit your number if you're hurt, allowing the fun of being in the tournament but not worrying about your rating?

John Keithson. :eek:

There should be no reason why you shouldn't be able to. Just pay the extra $5 or whatever it is for playing a sanctioned event.

I think you guys might have stumbled onto something .
This could eliviate all the discussions about age groups and who should play where .
Ken Climo et al can now enter as Kent Cimino and play as an advanced player ( or better yet intermediate ) and clean house .

I think you guys might have stumbled onto something .
This could eliviate all the discussions about age groups and who should play where .
Ken Climo et al can now enter as Kent Cimino and play as an advanced player ( or better yet intermediate ) and clean house .



Ah yes, BUT by rule.
You could then be Suspended or Barred from future PDGA Play for "playing in a lower division for which you are registered"?. (I think that is how it is written, I dont have time to research "exact" clauses at this moment)

I think you COULD play and pay the $5 under an ALIAS as long as you played in a division EQUAL or better than the your "PDGA Rgistered" division.

:D

As far as "Dropping" rounds where you are injured...... :p

I played my final 2 rounds at the Golden State Classic with a torn triceps... :eek:(OUCH) I just love having a sub900 round counted in my rating

But then again.... I could have DNF'd if I wanted too.. :p

Ah yes, BUT by rule.
You could then be Suspended or Barred from future PDGA Play for "playing in a lower division for which you are registered"?. (I think that is how it is written, I dont have time to research "exact" clauses at this moment)

BUT Kent Cimino is NOT registered KEN CLIMO IS that is the point
An alias as you say could be used to play in a division of your desire .
If you are going to use an alias to prevent a round to go against your rating then what prevents someone from playing a round to prevent against playing against others
To me either way you are circumventing the rules sooo .... what is the diff
If you dont like the fact of your rating going down dont play ( GOD forbid especially if you are injured ) and should not be playing anyhow

It won't have that much effect on the process for other players, if that is a genuine concern.

Suppose you have one player playing injured playing 50 points below his rating and 49 other gators. His effect will be to skew other ratings higher, which most players will appreciate anyway. He represents 2% of the gators. 2% of a 50 point skew is one point. Instead of getting a 932 rating someone is going to get a 933 rating.

Meanwhile, on the average, for every player playing below his rating due to an injury there is likely to be another player playing above his rating because his rating is depressed from having played when he was injured but now he is not. For every Keith Johnson there is a Bruce Brakel. My rating just bounced 14 points because my injury rounds fell off. So all last few months I was depressing everyone's rating some by playing uninjured with an injury depressed rating. Based on the number of gators at our tournaments, I was probably dragging everyone down by at least a quarter of a point.

It all evens out. If you can have fun and you won't further hurt yourself play. Don't worry about your rating's effect on the process. You are just one of many and it all evens out.

Is there seriously a rule out there to prevent a player for playing without using his PDGA number? So long as I register under my name (or, #$*&$!, any other name for that matter) what does it matter as long as I play in my appropriate division?

Although I will be honest... prior to being a PDGA member I dropped down to Recreational for a tournament after I lost the vision in my left eye. Why? Because it was an injury sufficient to truly harm my level of play to the point where I had no hope of competing in Intermediate (as evidenced by my next tournament, Firelands Open, where I took 36th of 39 in Intermediate).

In addition I don't see why there can't be an option on the books where a player can enter a tournament as a "non-rated" player and say in advance that he desires for this tournament to not be rated. Were this option available it would alleviate every single concern voiced in this thread, IMHO.


-Chris.

It won't have that much effect on the process for other players, if that is a genuine concern.

Suppose you have one player playing injured playing 50 points below his rating and 49 other gators. His effect will be to skew other ratings higher, which most players will appreciate anyway. He represents 2% of the gators. 2% of a 50 point skew is one point. Instead of getting a 932 rating someone is going to get a 933 rating.

Meanwhile, on the average, for every player playing below his rating due to an injury there is likely to be another player playing above his rating because his rating is depressed from having played when he was injured but now he is not. For every Keith Johnson there is a Bruce Brakel. My rating just bounced 14 points because my injury rounds fell off. So all last few months I was depressing everyone's rating some by playing uninjured with an injury depressed rating. Based on the number of gators at our tournaments, I was probably dragging everyone down by at least a quarter of a point.

It all evens out. If you can have fun and you won't further hurt yourself play. Don't worry about your rating's effect on the process. You are just one of many and it all evens out.



thanks bruce...

although unlike you where you are 1 out of 80 in your division here i am 1 of 8-15 players in the division..so it could matter a little :D

anyways a year from now i will skyrocket back up to 947 :eek: :Dwhen these rounds come off

keith

Ah yes, BUT by rule.
You could then be Suspended or Barred from future PDGA Play for "playing in a lower division for which you are registered"?. (I think that is how it is written, I dont have time to research "exact" clauses at this moment)

BUT Kent Cimino is NOT registered KEN CLIMO IS that is the point
An alias as you say could be used to play in a division of your desire .
If you are going to use an alias to prevent a round to go against your rating then what prevents someone from playing a round to prevent against playing against others <font color="red">HUH?? Not sure I under stand this one, BUT my point is that an individual (by written rule) COULD play as an alias IF they wished AS LONG AS they played in a division equal or higher than the one they are registered for. Im not saying I would or that I have seen it happen BUT that I dont see any rule preventing it.
If you were to play a LOWER dividion then you are DEFINATLY attempting to circumvent the rules about playing in a division lower than which you are registered. As far as doing it to NOT have to play with others....a few missed putts can change your group real fast...... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif </font>
To me either way you are circumventing the rules sooo .... what is the diff
If you dont like the fact of your rating going down dont play ( GOD forbid especially if you are injured ) and should not be playing anyhow

How many are in your division is irrelevant.

How many Qualified Propagators playing the same layout as you is.

In order for the round to be rateable, there needs to be at least 5 playing the layout.
So at most, you'll have a 20% influence on the round's SSA.
Looking through your stats, you dropped 13 pts because of these rounds played injured.
I'd be extreamly surprised that these rounds would influence the SSA by 1 stroke with only 4 other props.
With only 4 other props I'd expect these rounds would only effect the SSA by +0.26 strokes. Which translates into <4 pts in the round ratings on low SSA courses (upper 40s).
Looking through some of the tournaments you've played, there's far more than just 5 Qprops playing the same layout as you, so the affect will be even less.

Bruce is correct, the rounds have a extreamly minor influence on any future event you attend.

quick question: Under my new ratings, why is only one round of the Blue Ridge Open is included? I looked at the final results and everyone but the intermediates have ratings for both rounds.

If the Intermediates play a different layout than everyone else, and there aren't enough propagators (at least 5 players with 8 rated rounds) in the division, than ratings can't be calculated for that round. Many times, TDs don't think about this, and have Intermediates play a different tee. Personally, I'd rather play the long tees and get ratings -- whose to say that they don't deserve the challenge?

makes sense, thanks

As far as intermediate and jrs for that matter playing a more difficult set of tees and pins , I have found that most intermediates want the easier layout

I've found that Intermediates usually want to play the same tees as the advanced and that Recs are fine with shorts. Since you don't often offer or have a rec division in Pennsylvania, probably its the rec players who have to play up to intermediate who want the short tees. They probably feel like it gives them a chance to keep up.

I've also found that PDGA members usually would rather have their ratings than easy tees, if they have the choice. I often give the women their choice, but if they are not unanimous, we go by what I decided in advance.

...Personally, I'd rather play the long tees and get ratings -- whose to say that they don't deserve the challenge?


exactly what my girlfriend said a few weeks ago at a local C-Tier, her 1st tourney as a PDGA member. oh, and she was the only woman. the TD gave her the option of playing shorter pads, but she chose to play the same layout as everyone else in order to get rated. with so few women at tournies, if she always played a short layout, she'd NEVER get rated.

That is a possibility but straight across the board
I think maybe the higher intermediates play up to advanced to play the longer layouts and then in turn the lower intermediates ( recs by rating ) would then want the shorter tee pads

I also believe on a personal note that this comes to mind
1. When I was an intermediate / advanced want to be I played in advanced at a tourney to play the longer layout in Norman OK in 98 ----- That being said maybe it is better to have players play up to get the most challenge .
That statement can be also viewed by open players as saying if you dont play open play the short stuff but ...... in the long run I think the intermediates should either play up or play short

The reason I say that is a player with a 914 or lower rating should not be STRUGGLing thru a long round
ESPECIALLY if they are true intermediates .( when I say true intermediates I mean players who are inexperienced for the most part )
I do know alot of advanced masters with under 914 rating play the advanced master division compared to intermediate for the same reason ( longer or more difficult layout , and they tend to be more experienced and play their true division )

Looks like my rating will stay the same for a long time now.

With a broken ankle, I am out of tournaments until feburary.

That sux... :( ...how'd you do it?

Throwing Distance shots on a grass field.
Right plant foot slipped as I pulled across my chest.
Momentum took my legs out from under me.
I got airborne and spun around.
Landed on the side of my left ankle.
Heard two very loud pops as I collasped on top of my leg face planting onto the ground. (I thought I dislocated either my ankle or knee at first).
Broke both tibia and fibula, cracks at the base of each bone, along with a sever sprain/soft tissue damage around the rest of the bones. :(

It looked pretty funny to my buddy....a typically good golfer slips. Throws a "distance shot" only 300ft with extreme spike hyzer. Spins around and face smacks onto the ground. He laughed until he realized I was really hurt.

How long on crutches? As soon as you're off those you can get to work on perfecting your putt - and become Parknputt!

Get well soon, brutha... :)

It says ratings were updated today on the front page. Is this a typo?

Today was the correction update so only a small number of players were affected.

Today is the deadline for reports to be submitted to Dave to get in this ratings update. Ratings processing is on schedule with the update to be posted by Tuesday, Dec 19th. World Rankings will also be updated shortly after that which will include the Players Cup and the new ratings. The boost factor introduced in 2005 to offset the fact that the lowest 13-15% of your rounds would now be counted has finally been phased out for this update. It had been gradually reduced over 2006. The official round ratings will maybe be 1-2 points lower than what you've seen online if TDs posted unofficial results right after events in the past few months.

What about tournaments that occured in July that are still not posted in stats or on the PDGA tour, like the Des Moines Open? The results have been sumbmitted 4 months ago. I,as well as 4 other people, have emailed Dave over the last 5-6 weeks and not one response.

...and now the PDGA wants an extra 20 spot per year for my membership!

Keep up the great work PDGA!

If Dave has the completed results they will be processed. Far as I know, we're not sitting on any submitted reports that were complete. We're waiting on the TD to submit the course layouts so we can handle Motherlode Pros this update. John K and I have processed five batches of reports already for this update. I handled Walnut Ridge in one of my batches but not Des Moines. I see Des Moines is not posted online which doesn't look good for this update unless it's in the final batch Dave is doing today. Dave is so busy he usually doesn't have time to respond about event reports unless you're the TD or the person designated to handle the report. If you have questions about whether your event got reported, better to contact the TD.

Chuck, has CharloTTe Open been submiTTed?

It's not in the five batches processed. So unless it's in the final batch Dave is processing now, it's not been received. I talked with Dave today, and without exception for the past few years, every report that has been turned in to him before the posted deadline has been processed at that update, as long as all of the information like course layouts has been done correctly. So, if your event has not been processed, it goes back to the TD getting the report submitted properly.

A 1000 pardons if this has been asked/discussed...but if one has no new rounds then can/will one's rating go down due to the boost factor elimination?

The removed boost factor only affects new round ratings from this time period. Your old rounds already officially rated remain as they were.

If you have questions about whether your event got reported, better to contact the TD.



From the TD: Posted: 09/20/06 4:37PM

"Regarding the scores, PDGA has had them for quite a while now. I'm guessing that because of the ratings update that they haven't made posting them a priority. I've heard nothing back on my inquiries. Sorry!"

TD posted: Posted: 09/25/06 7:58PM

"Just an FYI, I have followed up again with the PDGA and I'll post again as soon as I have more info. I must apologize for the delay, and I'm doing my best to get everything updated. Please know that I do have all of the accurate scores, they have been sent (several times) to the PDGA, and that they have been backed up to tape just in case."

I heard something like some kid played intermediate on saturday and advanced on sunday, and its screwing up the ratings cause it looks like 2 seperate tournies or some other BS, I just want MY stats...
Why is it that when I play like a dingleberry solider, those seem to be updated the next day? Thanks for hurring up to get those 960 rounds up, said to any GOOD TD.

But I cant get my great rounds up and attem

Conspiracy? I think so. :D

I talked to Dave today and he's breaking that report into two separate events and it will be rated this time.

Charlotte Open report has been submitted, FYI. No worries. :)

I talked to Dave today and he's breaking that report into two separate events and it will be rated this time.



Thanks for following up Chuck...

Ha, upchuck :D

Charlotte Open report has been submitted, FYI. No worries. :)



The info guy ;)

Where are the ratings predictors at?:confused: I want to know how crappy i played since the last update. :mad: Hopefully I can move back down to Intermediate and dominate!

I am predicting a drop for myself from 981 down to 976.

I am predicting 1002 :DI haven't really payed attention to this update though so it is just a guess.

I am predicting 1002 :DI haven't really payed attention to this update though so it is just a guess.


Hey, by the way, nice job this year! 5 wins for your first full year of pro, not bad buddy!

When are you coming to SD, I'll play you for $20 at EI straight-up!

I think for the 1st time since my 1st update my rating will be dropping!!! :confused: :confused: :confused: :mad::mad::mad:

I think for the 1st time since my 1st update my rating will be dropping!!! :confused: :confused: :confused: :mad::mad::mad:

Omigoodness, when I first started reading your reply I thought you were about to say, "I think for the 1st time my rating is going to go above Gwillim's!"

Had me scared there for a second, I had the urge to quit work and go straight to the practice field!

I think for the 1st time since my 1st update my rating will be dropping!!! :confused: :confused: :confused: :mad::mad::mad:

Omigoodness, when I first started reading your reply I thought you were about to say, "I think for the 1st time my rating is going to go above Gwillim's!"

Had me scared there for a second, I had the urge to quit work and go straight to the practice field!



Well if yours drops to 976 and im wrong for some reason and mine goes up it might be real close :eek: :eek: :eek:

Where are the ratings predictors at?:confused: I want to know how crappy i played since the last update. :mad: Hopefully I can move back down to Intermediate and dominate!

You don't need a lower rating to play intermediate, just lower self-esteem.

You don't need a lower rating to play intermediate, just lower self-esteem.



HEY! I resemble that remark.

I think for the 1st time since my 1st update my rating will be dropping!!! :confused: :confused: :confused: :mad::mad::mad:

Omigoodness, when I first started reading your reply I thought you were about to say, "I think for the 1st time my rating is going to go above Gwillim's!"

Had me scared there for a second, I had the urge to quit work and go straight to the practice field!



Well if yours drops to 976 and im wrong for some reason and mine goes up it might be real close :eek: :eek: :eek:


I'm intentionally not running any figures this time around because I want it to be a surprise how bad I drop. So I don't really have a clue, it might drop lower, you might not drop, it'd be fun if it was close, that will motivate me for the Memorial.

I think for the 1st time since my 1st update my rating will be dropping!!! :confused: :confused: :confused: :mad::mad::mad:

Omigoodness, when I first started reading your reply I thought you were about to say, "I think for the 1st time my rating is going to go above Gwillim's!"

Had me scared there for a second, I had the urge to quit work and go straight to the practice field!



Well if yours drops to 976 and im wrong for some reason and mine goes up it might be real close :eek: :eek: :eek:


I'm intentionally not running any figures this time around because I want it to be a surprise how bad I drop. So I don't really have a clue, it might drop lower, you might not drop, it'd be fun if it was close, that will motivate me for the Memorial.



@ This point in time my only goals for next year are to learn how to putt and win 2007 ROY!!! And if I learn how to putt then I think I have a shot at the 2nd one!!! Want to place some bets not on the Memorial???

Want to place some bets not on the Memorial???


Sure, what'd you have in mind?

Will the 10th Mr. Jims Carrollton Open in Carrollton TX be on the next ratings update???
Thanks

I checked all six batches and it's not in there. The results online are still unofficial.

Dang! That blows, considering the Tournament was in Sept.

Dang! That blows, considering the Tournament was in Sept.


You need to contact the TD and light a fire under their britches!

Millz why wont you bet gwillim at the memorial?

Will the 10th Mr. Jims Carrollton Open in Carrollton TX be on the next ratings update???
Thanks



Don't count on the VPO either Eric.

Millz why wont you bet gwillim at the memorial?



He's already LOST a bunch of money on side bets this year........ /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
He doesnt want to start off '07 in the HOLE :eek:

Millz why wont you bet gwillim at the memorial?



He's already LOST a bunch of money on side bets this year........ /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
He doesnt want to start off '07 in the HOLE :eek:



I havent been on in a while!!! How about 5 5 5 and 5................5 For each seperate round and 5 for total???

I checked all six batches and it's not in there. The results online are still unofficial.



In that case I predict 1003. I played like 995 at Carrolton. I'm suprised Brian didn't get them in as he is usually very prompt.

I am predicting 1002 :DI haven't really payed attention to this update though so it is just a guess.


Hey, by the way, nice job this year! 5 wins for your first full year of pro, not bad buddy!

When are you coming to SD, I'll play you for $20 at EI straight-up!



I'll be in SD on the 22nd. We are playing Morely at like 10:30 and then Ei afterwards but if you can't do that Io'm sure I'll be out there at some other time.

Millz why wont you bet gwillim at the memorial?



He's already LOST a bunch of money on side bets this year........ /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
He doesnt want to start off '07 in the HOLE :eek:



I havent been on in a while!!! How about 5 5 5 and 5................5 For each seperate round and 5 for total???


I'm moving this conversation into the "The 2007 Memorial" thread under PDGA tournaments.

WHERE ARE THE RATINGS PREDICTORS?????? I want to know what my new rating will be? :(

WHERE ARE THE RATINGS PREDICTORS?????? I want to know what my new rating will be? :(


For $10 I can tell you within 3 points what your rating will be.

Aw, come on Gwillim, it's my birfday. :p

Aw, come on Gwillim, it's my birfday. :p


How old are you?

I think 26. I thought I was 27 but my gf told me I was 26.

WHERE ARE THE RATINGS PREDICTORS?????? I want to know what my new rating will be? :(


For $10 I can tell you within 3 points what your rating will be.



Can you tell me if I am over or under 1002? :DPretty please. Ok I know you can't do that but it was worth a shot.

WHERE ARE THE RATINGS PREDICTORS?????? I want to know what my new rating will be? :(


For $10 I can tell you within 3 points what your rating will be.



Can you tell me if I am over or under 1002? :DPretty please. Ok I know you can't do that but it was worth a shot.


If you can give me the unofficial ratings of the tournaments that are going into this update, I can do the calculations for you, if you will play me head-to-head at EI with our putters on the line.

I have this weird desire to win everyone's putters from them all of a sudden.

I think 26. I thought I was 27 but my gf told me I was 26.

Get me your unofficial ratings for your tournaments from sep. till now and I'll do the math for you.

I know all but one events results but I'm feel pretty confident I shot 1020-1025. I'll PM you the rest though. :D

Can you tell me if I am over or under 1002?



Neither.

So I predicted correctly once again. :D

can u tell me if i am over or under 965?

So I predicted correctly once again.



I just said I couldn't tell you. We're a week ahead of posting.

i wouldn't complain if you published early and waived any ratings controversies that may occur because of it
(for the tourneys that take place this upcoming weekend) ;)

So I predicted correctly once again.



I just said I couldn't tell you. We're a week ahead of posting.



Well I wasn't asking you now was I Chuck? :Djk

Actually that might be a good thing as I may be even higher. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

i wouldnt mind if you posted early either...Same as posting late you know...and that happens often

So I predicted correctly once again.



I just said I couldn't tell you. We're a week ahead of posting.



So does this mean that they are ready to be posted?

cmon...whats the difference....

WHERE ARE THE RATINGS PREDICTORS?????? I want to know what my new rating will be? :(


For $10 I can tell you within 3 points what your rating will be.



Can you tell me if I am over or under 1002? :DPretty please. Ok I know you can't do that but it was worth a shot.


If you can give me the unofficial ratings of the tournaments that are going into this update, I can do the calculations for you, if you will play me head-to-head at EI with our putters on the line.

I have this weird desire to win everyone's putters from them all of a sudden.


Matt,

My calculations came back to be 1002.72 which will likely be rounded up to 1003.

Keep in mind that the unnofficial ratings get changed a bit sometimes so your rating might come out a point off either way. Look for a rating between 1002 and 1004.

We always round down even if it's 1002.99.

so chucky...howabout an early release, to make up for all the late ones....If you are waiting for events to get the stuff in then well, nothing u can do....but Cmon..its a deadline that is missed usually..so howabout a reward.

There have been NO late postings in more than two years now. We may have some preliminary info by tomorrow that needs to be checked.

twwo years...Cmon...pretty sure this update last year was late...very late....

Nope. I even posted the dates somewhere on here when it came up before.

if Im wrong, well sorry...but im pretty sure a lot have been late...not saying you do a bad job...just saying throw us a bone...holding on to the info does noone any good....beating your deadline is a good thing

Here's the Announcement for Dec 2005 posted on Dec 19th when the deadline was Tues the 20th. I know some people want to rag us on this but the process has been ontime or early for quite a while now:
http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Number=485428&amp;page=0&amp;view=collap sed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=365&amp;fpart=1

Im not bashing..just trying to instigate an early release....

Im not bashing..just trying to instigate an early release....

Chill homie. Just be happy they'll be in before Christmas.

yes early release on them ratings .... :D thanks for all you guys do.

are they up yet? :D

what's up erron, heard yall may have gotten some pseudo-snow down south, is it true? :p

What up Brandon

i had 3 sleet pellets hit my car about a week ago, thats about the closest this year around here :(,
but i will be in Crested butte Jan 02-07 rippin the mountain :D

I already know my new rating. :D

57,799/58=996.53

I already know my new rating. :D

57,799/58=996.53



You know you most recen %25 are doubled weighted right?

yeah. 47 total rounds so 11.75 or 12 should be doubled.

im tired of the nine-nineties!!!!

I'm tired of 980 but not playing any ratable tournaments since Worlds didn't help me. Looks like I'm stuck there again....

At least I can be confident I will go up next update.

Heck I just am tired of getting pounded for being 999 and not being good enough to get another point. :D

quit yur beotchin

Heck I just am tired of getting pounded for being 999 and not being good enough to get another point. :D



Stop missing 8' putts and you'd hit 1000. :)

So Chuck, any chance of the ratings being an early Christmas present? :cool::cool:

They will definitely be posted before Christmas. The main processing is done but we've been getting several corrections from earlier ratings updates that have been emailed in and we want to include those corrections if we can do it in time.

Please do not include Homie's or Michigan State's. Thanks.

Please do not include Homie's or Michigan State's. Thanks.



Or Bridgeland/Oak Meadows. Double Thanks.

Please do not include Homie's or Michigan State's. Thanks.



Or Bridgeland/Oak Meadows. Double Thanks.



I concur. Too much shankage.

Please do not include Homie's or Michigan State's. Thanks.



Or Bridgeland/Oak Meadows. Double Thanks.




I concur. Too much shankage.



Perhaps you meant shrinkage? :o

Christmas present?

I hope that all those people holding out for a new rating between 910 and 914 actually do better. I am tired of seeing those guys bagging in intermediate at the start of every new year.

But if they do managed to stay below 915 I hope Santa gives them coal!!

I'm counting on that ten point jump from 914 to 924. I've been playing Advanced all year and my rating will have jumped 50+ points. Now I'll finally be playing in the correct division...

Hopefully mine goes up, after the cup it should then again I had the dirge that was faultline..

Inconsistency continues to plague me... probably only jumping +1 to 954... Next year I guess... cant expect an increase when you shoot 980+ for one tournament and follow that up with 930 for the next one...

Hey that sound's like me. :D

2 days, or one and a half????

2 days, or one and a half????



What's the hurry baby, TToo watch me drop below 990? :)

Could be tomorrow during the day based on Dave's schedule but we have a final pass to review first.

2morrow would be great...

Is there an award for most improved over a season? I started this year at 942 and hopefully will hit 980 tomorrow. I'm sure there are many more increases higher than that, but that would be a sweet PDGA award.

I wonder what the highest increase this year was?

I started this year at 933 and I am at 964 right now And I think I should jump to a 970-975..(Hopfully)

you pro ;)

Assuming my calculations are correct for my 924, that'll be a 52 point increase in 2006, from the 872 I had the end of last year.

Randy Forsander # 28735 jumped 48 point's last rating's update and I am almost 100% positive he will jump another 40-50 point's the next update (hopefully today)...

I can beat that.

September 2004= 878
September 2005= 942

Thats 64 points in one year. :D

I guarantee Randy's rating will be upped about 40 point's after this next update and that will put him at 88 in a year /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

CAnt wait for the ratingss............

The VAN is waiTTing, why can't you?

70 degrees in CharloTTe today!

76 degrees here in Tarboro 2day, have fun freezin up der friZZies

I have my new rating- as of 19-Dec-06 (a day early!)

I want down 2 points- BOO!

Thanks Chuck &amp; Dave &amp; anyone else involved with getting the ratings out early!

I am hoping the second number in my rating changes from a 7 to an 8.

thanks to all the PDGA guys for all thier hard work with our ratings!

My new rating is up though there's no link to indicate it...I just went to my PDGA# and there it was. Thankfully I crested 900.......again. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Merry Christmas!

Couple of FriZZies over 1000! 1007 & 1001- WTG boys!

you pro ;)



OUCH!! :eek:

I guess I should of signed up as an AM

Shall I test the waters of Pro playing AM?? :p

Merry Christmas!


...and a Happy New Year to you, Chuck! Thanks for all your hard work!! :cool:

I am hoping the second number in my rating changes from a 7 to an 8.

thanks to all the PDGA guys for all thier hard work with our ratings!



Other direction-> 975

Roger Smith's the man who does the most in processing ratings updates along with Gentry now doing what Theo used to do to prep and upload the preliminary and final numbers to the server. John Kretschzmar and I do the course layouts. Jerry Power is looking at automating our review process. Coleman Thompson has joined the team to help in the future. That's your current rating team.

Go team!

thanks! Unfortunately my facade of a rating got a taste of reality. It would anger me, but fortunately I shot my best round ever on saturday.

Yes, I am finally playing in the right division.

Advanced - the top amateur division, available to all amateur players. Required division for amateur players born 1966 or later with ratings > or = 915. Tournament experienced players who have played disc golf for 3 years or more, and developed
consistency. Throw 300-450 feet, make 5-7/10 putts from 25-30 feet, have different shots in their arsenal. Score range: < 59.


I would kill to be able to make 7 putts from 25-30 feet. My putting percentages go by 1/x, where x is the putting distance (in feet).
Example: 35ft putts: 1/35, or ~2.9%, 5ft putts: 1/5, or ~20%

thank you ratings team for your hard work

Thanks for getting them up early! Even better than on time.....

I have a question, Chuck.

The ratings guide says:
"All properly reported PDGA events for the past 12 months are included in a player�s ratings calculation. If you have less than 8 rounds of data, the program will go back as far as 24 months until it either finds 8 total rounds, or it will select all your rounds if less than 8."

I have exactly 8 rounds in the last 12 months. For some reason it grabbed my Oct 05 Charlotte Open ratings and included them this last 12 month time period. Is that a mistake?

No big deal since I am still who I am and my kids still love me, but my rating would have gone up instead of down.

966? %$^&$%

BOOO!!! My rating dropped 3 points. Throwing 3 bad rounds at USDGC didnt help. I should have been able to recover at my home tourney, but I choked!! :eek:

It is kind of funny how Dave and Avery have the same rating and so does Stevie and Josh.

Woooooooooooo.....The Soleng brothers are both over a 1000....Whats the highest brother combination in the sport....

or rather....have two brothers ever been over a 1000 at the same time? I know that with Steve Rico 1032, him and bamba have a higher total...

I have exactly 8 rounds in the last 12 months. For some reason it grabbed my Oct 05 Charlotte Open ratings and included them this last 12 month time period. Is that a mistake?



It's 12 months prior to your personal most recently rated round, not the date of the ratings update. You have an event on Oct 7 of this year so rounds back to Oct 7 of 2005 will be included. If you played an event even just one week after the date of that Oct 2005 event this year, it would have been dropped.

Johnny and Geoff Lissamen?

or rather....have two brothers ever been over a 1000 at the same time? I know that with Steve Rico 1032, him and bamba have a higher total...



Look up Lissamans between 1999-2002. Not "just" brothers but twins.

bamba was 1003 in 1999 I am sure Stevie was 1007 in 1999

Johnny and Geoff Lissamen?

I think one is lefty and one is righty as well. Can someone confirm this?

are we the only current brothers that are 1000. At least thats something.

Johnny and Geoff Lissamen?

I think one is lefty and one is righty as well. Can someone confirm this?



confirmed

I'm not sure about that at all, but it would not surprise me. Most twins that are truly identical are opposite handed.

There was some discussion when the ratings first started whether we should just average their ratings so they both had the same... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I think the Kallstroms currently have the highest ratings for brothers. :eek:

Gurthies might be the next brothers in the 1000s. I think the Jenkins family might have the highest of the various combos for brother-sister, father-son, father-daughter and mother-daughter combos.

At the '05 SoCal Championships Geoff Lissamen tied with Steve Wisecup for second place. They had to do a sudden death playoff starting at hole one to decide the cash. Wisecup parked his drive about 15' away from the pin and Geoff messed up his drive and left it about 70' away. I was walking with Snapper and I said something to the effect of, "Well that settles it." Snapper started laughing and said that if 70' is well within Geoff's putting range and the bad drive meant nothing.

Geoff missed the putt, Steve did not.

I guess in their hay days the Lissamen bros. would consistently make more long putts over and over than just about anyone ever. That is the tale I have been told.

I did get updated but that may be good for me :o:D

I got a 6 point kick up this time! Yeee-Hahhhh! Next goal is to break 900! (Glad to see my rounds from Corpus Christi finally dropped off too! Those rounds have been like cement shoes for my rating for the last year!)

Thanks to the PDGA for cranking out yet another set!

Why is it that rounds that are more than 12 months old are being used in an update, when I have plenty of rounds (more than 8) within a 12 month period?

It's 12 months prior to the exact date of your most recently rated round, not 12 months prior to today. So everyone has a different 12 months depending on the date of the most recent round they've played that's been rated. If you don't play, then old rounds never drop off and your rating stays the same. Which of course makes sense because there's no new information. You may be getting better or getting worse. But no one knows that until you play again.

Thank you Chuck, I think I am beginning to understand. I did play a another tourny in september and one in October, but the TD's did not turn in the rounds officially.... might of helped me now, but it will still help if they turn them in by next update. But I won't hold my breath :D

I realize the concept doesn't make sense until you think about it. Everyone has their own 12 month time frame. Just because the clock advances doesn't mean your rating should change but many players think that rounds will drop off just because the date advances even if they haven't played any new events.

Nikko Locastro went from 924 last october to 996 this update. He didn't have a Dec update last year because he didn't play any events last winter so Oct is the closest to a year it will get.

Anyway a 72 point jump to 996 in a year is AWESOME.

I agree, congrats on getting to that 1000+ rating... hopefully I will be hunting mine down next year, or at least get over 980 is my goal

Hopefully see you at a few events Matt

man I sure wish the flyinghigh TD would get the dripping springs event turned in. I think I may have been a few points higher. :confused:

Look up Lissamans between 1999-2002. Not "just" brothers but twins.



Are Mitch and I the highest rated CURRENT twins in the PDGA?

do the jarvis brothers still play

Their last rated rounds were in 2003 and 2004.

Sorry Fats, the Lissamans are still higher than you and Mitch.

Hey Chuck...

Has the update been completed? I notice that my rating is only current through the Sept update. I've played in several sanctioned tourneys since then in which the TDs said they turned in the reports before the 12/4 (I think this was the date) deadline.

Or are you still going through the update process...thanks!

Here's the tourneys in question:

Conroe Open (TX) 6/24 C Tier
FlynHigh Shawshank Redemption (TX) 9/30 C Tier
Waterloo (TX) 10/20-10/22 X Tier (I'm assuming x tiers dont count towards ratings)
FlynHigh McDade Park (TX) 12/2 C Tier

If these reports have not been turned in, let me know. Thanks!

If the results aren't online at all or it says "Unofficial" under the event title when you pull up the results, we don't have the report yet and no ratings processed.

Sorry Fats, the Lissamans are still higher than you and Mitch.



I didn't see them when I looked them up before, but I had typed their name wrong. But you see, their ratings are on the wane. Mine is on the move! :)

Am I the highest rated accordion player in the PDGA? ;)

Here's the tourneys in question:

Conroe Open (TX) 6/24 C Tier
FlynHigh Shawshank Redemption (TX) 9/30 C Tier
Waterloo (TX) 10/20-10/22 X Tier (I'm assuming x tiers dont count towards ratings)
FlynHigh McDade Park (TX) 12/2 C Tier

If these reports have not been turned in, let me know. Thanks!




Jon, none of Rick's events are in.

Thanks Tony....

I wonder if he's even aware of this....It makes me not want to play his tourneys in the future.

Thanks Tony....

I wonder if he's even aware of this....It makes me not want to play his tourneys in the future.



Over on the HFDS board, he said he's going to check it out with PDGA HQ today.

Chuck, maybe this was asked before but I see a player I know with a 997 rating. He has played in one, one day tournament in his life, with two rounds... one at 950 and one at 1020. Isn't there some kind of minimum number of rounds needed to qualify for a rating at all? It just seems silly to me to rate players based on less than 10 or 20 rounds per year. I'd give anyone including myself a zero till they meet the minimum number of rounds required. Don't mean to single anyone out, I'm just curious. :)

Two rounds is better than none to determine someone's skill level even if it's rough. No one gets paid based on their rating so it's harmless for now. If the number was over 1000, the minimum number of rounds to be included in the World Rankings is 12. Players with a rating based on less than 4 rounds can appeal to the Competition Director to play in a lower division than their rating. So we do make allowances for situations where a player may have a slightly inflated rating with less than 4 rounds of data. If a player does have an inflated rating, the good news for other players is that player will likely provide extra points to the rating pool for the taking. So, you should welcome those newbies to your event.

Chuck, maybe this was asked before but I see a player I know with a 997 rating. He has played in one, one day tournament in his life, with two rounds... one at 950 and one at 1020. Isn't there some kind of minimum number of rounds needed to qualify for a rating at all? It just seems silly to me to rate players based on less than 10 or 20 rounds per year. I'd give anyone including myself a zero till they meet the minimum number of rounds required. Don't mean to single anyone out, I'm just curious. :)



You mean like Ben Gaddis?

His rating is based on 8 rounds and he's a propagator. But he's not in the World Rankings.

Chuck, maybe this was asked before but I see a player I know with a 997 rating. He has played in one, one day tournament in his life, with two rounds... one at 950 and one at 1020. Isn't there some kind of minimum number of rounds needed to qualify for a rating at all? It just seems silly to me to rate players based on less than 10 or 20 rounds per year. I'd give anyone including myself a zero till they meet the minimum number of rounds required. Don't mean to single anyone out, I'm just curious. :)



Hey, I thought those numbers sounded familiar! I didn't join the pdga until earlier this year, but have played 8 other rounds in sanctioned tourneys. 3 of those rounds consisted of scores where I shot 1000+ (2 in Wimberley and 1 in Live Oak), and only one of the other five would have been rated under 970. Since you're rated at 981, Brian, that means I should spot you 3 strokes for two rounds of golf. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I would play in more sanctioned tourneys if they were not on Sundays. There are probably plenty of other people that would play more pdga sanctioned tourneys if there were more one-dayers.

As far as inflated ratings go, time will definitely tell, but until then, I'll spot you your three strokes. :D

He has a starter rating. When he plays more, he'll have a more accurate rating. You rating is as good as you play.

I would play in more sanctioned tourneys if they were not on Sundays. There are probably plenty of other people that would play more pdga sanctioned tourneys if there were more one-dayers.



Me too brother. I need to get off my butt and TD a one tourney on my home course.

Last year I played 7 non-sanctioned one day tournaments and 3 PDGA tournaments. I would probably play 9 or 10 PDGA tourneys if they were single day (Sat. or Sun.).

Whatr should you do if youi see an event that has you listed as receiving the wrong amount of payout? I have Pmed the TD and he didn't respond as of yet. Can it be fixed somehow?

The event was Outlaws Singles shootout and I won $300 but it has me listed as only getting $190. Also after looking back i think almost all the payouts are wrong. :confused:

I am working on it!!!!!
worry about sugar plums and all nice things......KID.
Or I'll tell him to send you a bag of coal :D

Thanks Vinnie. I hope you have a good time in Tejas when I am hanging out with those messed up Cali people. :DMaybe I should take my donkey.

Don't bother Scooter...you'd just have to keep it shut the whole trip. :D

Chuck, how many propagators must there be to have a rating? Because this (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5656&year=2006&include_ratings=1#Advanced) tournament only had 3 players throw the longs the first round, and they got rated.

You need at least 5 props but we're now combining multiple rounds if available whenever a small or lower rated group has less than 5 props. I'm guessing this is an example of the new approach. This will help more players in Rec, Jr and Womens divisions get ratings when they are not playing the same course with the main group of props. In addition, it will help in new areas like some of our international events where they only have 3 or 4 props and play the same course twice.

At the '05 SoCal Championships Geoff Lissamen tied with Steve Wisecup for second place. They had to do a sudden death playoff starting at hole one to decide the cash. Wisecup parked his drive about 15' away from the pin and Geoff messed up his drive and left it about 70' away. I was walking with Snapper and I said something to the effect of, "Well that settles it." Snapper started laughing and said that if 70' is well within Geoff's putting range and the bad drive meant nothing.

Geoff missed the putt, Steve did not.

I guess in their hay days the Lissamen bros. would consistently make more long putts over and over than just about anyone ever. That is the tale I have been told.



I miss the lissamans, I used to play with them almost everyday they wern't out of town, i'd putt with them at Condon Park for hours on end, I once saw johnny make nine 65 footers in a row, and geoff used to just be a machine...dude just didn't miss... one time we got paired at the weekly doubles, and we took one of my shots....ONE! and it was maybe 15 feet closer to the pin (i parked 6 short, so he went for the ace) w(h)e shot -14 and won the dubs....they used to be insane now they just are working on their property and making their course better...

If the results aren't online at all or it says "Unofficial" under the event title when you pull up the results, we don't have the report yet and no ratings processed.



Chuck? Any chance we could get a listing of the "offending/non-reported" events so we can bug the TDs of them?

all flying high events :confused:

Nahhh I don't think so SeeDub...but one of them is. Rick says that he sent it in, and he's had others that have been picked up since, so it must've gotten lost in mail or something. He posted up on the HFDS message board this morning that he resent the info to the PDGA and verified with them that it is all good.

I don't know what else might be missing though...just thought a list would help us all figure out who to hound. :D

You need at least 5 props but we're now combining multiple rounds if available whenever a small or lower rated group has less than 5 props. I'm guessing this is an example of the new approach. This will help more players in Rec, Jr and Womens divisions get ratings when they are not playing the same course with the main group of props. In addition, it will help in new areas like some of our international events where they only have 3 or 4 props and play the same course twice.



Hmm that's good, I'm sure alot of people feel like they got the shaft when their rounds don't get rated. Geoff was dissapointed in the turnout after he shot that course record. Rolling Hills is a really tough course from the longs, -12 on 21 holes was an amazing round.

You need at least 5 props but we're now combining multiple rounds if available whenever a small or lower rated group has less than 5 props. I'm guessing this is an example of the new approach. This will help more players in Rec, Jr and Womens divisions get ratings when they are not playing the same course with the main group of props. In addition, it will help in new areas like some of our international events where they only have 3 or 4 props and play the same course twice.



Hmm..was this done across all tournaments prior to the last Ratings update? I see that Warwick's Animalfest Oct 7 has unrrated rounds for Mens Int, Womens Int and Jrs for the 2nd round when they played Warwick's Short to Short layout.. ( http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6214&year=2006&include_ratings=1#Intermediate ).

I've just emailed an inquiry to Dave Gentry. I assume he'd be the one to "officially" answer the question..If anyone else knows, please let me know..

This new approach to combine rounds to get more props just started this update.

We want to add new icons to the Tour event list that indicates whether an event has been reported, is official, hasn't been reported, etc. But we need the programmer to do it.

ching how come they are not showing up in people's stats than?

Are Mitch and I the highest rated CURRENT twins in the PDGA?

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hey Fondelsac's my twin Doug and I have gotcha matched in ratings,
Doug 993 Carter961
Mitch 991 Derek 963
I know the Lissamans have higher ratings, but still...

yup da Goofs gotcha.

Not for long

Doug 993 Carter961
Mitch 991 Derek 963




Now that's a race I'm glad I know about. This could get interesting....

Here's one...Who has the most improvement from their original/lowest rating and current/highest rating? Let's discount gaps caused by injuries or being out of the sport, just genuine steady climbs from your first event to your last.

I have improved my rating 833 to 937 or 104 points.
My buddy Deacon has improved from 788 to 963 or 175 points. His first event was the first time he played with baskets.

816 to 939 (+123) ;)

752-899 (+147), 2004-2006
Can't wait till some of my early rounds start dropping out, lol. ;)

816 to 939 (+123) ;)

And you will probably be at +123 for a while Dave, because you suck! /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif:eek: :o/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :D

Lets see, you're what? 19 years old,maybe. We'll' see what your rating is when your 46. :o

Bring your butt to blackhawk, I'll play you straight up for some $$$$. :D

I still got a while before i'm 19!

I can see my rating around 1100 when i'm 46 :) :Dlol.

I'll have to take you up on that offer next time i'm in Tulsa!

Lets see, you're what? 19 years old,maybe. We'll' see what your rating is when your 46. :o

Bring your butt to blackhawk, I'll play you straight up for some $$$$. :D



I'll take that offer. You should have an advatage since ZI have only played it once. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Lets see, you're what? 19 years old,maybe. We'll' see what your rating is when your 46. :o

Bring your butt to blackhawk, I'll play you straight up for some $$$$. :D



I'll take that offer. You should have an advatage since ZI have only played it once. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



AND he'll have a NEW putter too!
:eek:
:D

I change putters once a week anyway.

WHY?

I lose my putters once a month...

How?

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:D

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:D



Will you never learn?

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:D:D:D

dont know really...seem to disappear just before events....

Maybe Bard's putter should disappear too?

Yeah, disappearing puTTers always makes me play beTTer.

Ratings for the Homie (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6173&year=2006&include_ratings=1#Open) seem to be incorrect. Pro and am played different courses, but if they shot the same score, they got the same rating. Interesting.

Ratings for the Homie (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6173&year=2006&include_ratings=1#Open) seem to be incorrect. Pro and am played different courses, but if they shot the same score, they got the same rating. Interesting.



Why?

So lets see....only a couple days to go.

am i sub 955? is bueno? we need answers

yes we do???? Will the tteam crumble?

yes we do???? Will the tteam crumble?

TThe UniTTy will never crumble......TTriZZish for all TTime.

am i sub 955? is bueno? we need answers



from looking at your rating detail i'm guessing you're both gonna be over unless there are some really crappy rounds that haven't shown up yet. i am wondering the same thing about members of the home team.

Oh boo hoo for Team Unit-Eat

Since your region seems to be most of North America, I'm sure you can find someone/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

at least we're keeping it from the east coast

Ratings are on schedule. They'll be posted by Tuesday for sure and maybe Monday if all goes well on the error checking being done by our volunteers later this week.

how old does a round need to be to be droped