I was reading another thread and it started to drift to this topic...

What do you think about players bringing their dogs to tournaments? And I'm not talking about leaving them in the car or tied to a leash by the car...I'm talking about them being on the actual card.

IMO, I find it to be very distracting. Even if the dog is on a leash, their owner still has to throw, leaving the dog "unmanned". Is there a rule outlining any guidelines on this, or does it just fall under a courtesy violation if the dog becomes a nuisance?

I really love dogs, and during casual play I do enjoy them, but it's a whole other ball game when you're playing for $$$. I just figured I would get everybody's opinion.

IMHO bringing a dog along on a sanctioned tourney round is the mother of all courtesy violations!

Leave the dogs and CHILDREN @ home !
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My .02

Whoever was on that card and didn't say anything, their bad.

You would think that a TD would step in for all the players and draw the line, oh well. (it's not the first time this dog was a problem at this TD's events)

801.1 Courtesy d) D. Players are responsible for the actions of their caddies. Players shall receive warnings and penalties (where applicable) for the actions of their caddies.

Is the closest thing. I would say that if the dog is distracting you can first warn and then stroke the player. Other than that, I don't see anything.

IMHO bringing a dog along on a sanctioned tourney round is the mother of all courtesy violations!



So all one has to do is be seconded by someone else on the card and it would become a courtesy violation, hence a warning, then a stroke? That would be interesting....

IMHO bringing a dog along on a sanctioned tourney round is the mother of all courtesy violations!



So all one has to do is be seconded by someone else on the card and it would become a courtesy violation, hence a warning, then a stroke? That would be interesting....



I was under the impression that a coutesy violation did not require anyone on the card to second it. Just that you make everyone on the card aware of it.

"801.01G. A player violating a courtesy rule may be warned by any affected player, even if from another group, or by an official, with all players of the group advised of the warning. The player shall be assessed one penalty throw for each subsequent courtesy violation of any type in the same round. Repeated violations of courtesy rules may result in disqualification in accordance with section 804.05."

Richard

Some dogs DO work their owners pretty good/well...kinda funny! But no, they don't belong at any kind of tournament other than agreeable cards at leagues, unsanctioned (mini-)minis...
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I had my sisters dog as my caddy for an event. No one on my card had a problem with him. Tony would just hang when I was throwing. He wasn't a wandering dog.

If someone is bringing an unruly dog to an event, he should be told by the TD that the pooch is not welcome. Honestly, do we have to be SOOOOO PC and rules zealots that common sense is not used.

At AM Worlds here in Tulsa I had my dog with me for 2 rounds and nobody had a problem with it, he was my good luck charm the last round because I ended up making the cut by 1 stroke.

If dogs are LEGAL in the park than a player has no authority to not let a dog on the card, it's up to the TD and nobody else.

I will say the dog must be on a leash.

Dog on a leash for sure! Most cities have a leash law. You have to pick up the poop here.

RESPONSIBLE dog owners wouldn't bring a dog who is not well behaved to a tournament. However, some folks love dogs and just don't understand that other folks don't.

I played many a round with Heidi dog (until she went to the bridge this September :( ). She was well behaved and wasn't a distraction.

I think it's pretty cut and dry. Just like the caddy rule that Jerry pointed out, if the dog is creating a real distraction or nuisance, then get a second from your card and warn the player. Another violation becomes a stroke. It's not really any different than if that player brought along an iPod with speakers and was blasting music. If it's distracting and others agree... it's a courtesy violation.

That said, most dogs I know (save one) are only brought by their owners if they know how to behave. My dog was with me during a nonsanctioned event and bothered nobody. Of course, my wife was there as well. If the dog had become a problem, my wife could have taken the dog away for the rest of the round. If a player brought his dog *without* someone to handle it... I can see there being much more potential for a problem.

I agree with you Anita, if the dog is well behaved than who in their right mind would have a problem with it?

Dogs rule!

You have to pick up the poop here.



Not here, thank you G*d!! :D

I played in a Monthly once and a guy on another card had his dog with him. I threw a roller and the dog saw it and went chasing the disc. When the dog final caught up to and grabbed the disc, he proceeded to chew the disc up and return it to his master. I later found out that the owner didn't throw rollers, except for the dog to chase, so the dog assumed the roller was for him. The owner purchased a new disc for me and I know now not to throw a roller if the dog is within sight. I had to laugh when it happened, because the rest of my card was in total shock because no one knew what to do next. Eventually they let me throw a provisional and the TD and everyone at the event let me use the second throw (Which I threw in the air!). Everything turned out ok and the dog had a new disc to play fetch with!

i love dogs, but out of respect for those who don't i would not bring one with me for a round of tourney disc golf -- no matter how well behaved.

Do you need a second from the card to give a courtesy violation? I thought you just had to notify the offending player and everyone on their card. Then if it happens again the player gets a stroke penalty. I was under the impression that a "second" is not required for a courtesy violation.

I played in a Monthly once and a guy on another card had his dog with him. I threw a roller and the dog saw it and went chasing the disc. When the dog final caught up to and grabbed the disc, he proceeded to chew the disc up and return it to his master. I later found out that the owner didn't throw rollers, except for the dog to chase, so the dog assumed the roller was for him. The owner purchased a new disc for me and I know now not to throw a roller if the dog is within sight. I had to laugh when it happened, because the rest of my card was in total shock because no one knew what to do next. Eventually they let me throw a provisional and the TD and everyone at the event let me use the second throw (Which I threw in the air!). Everything turned out ok and the dog had a new disc to play fetch with!



some discs have sentimental value and might even be irreplaceable. one more reason not to bring your four-legged friend along for tourney disc golf. it's inconsiderate. (disclaimer: i love dogs)

I agree with you Anita, if the dog is well behaved than who in their right mind would have a problem with it?

Dogs rule!



Thank you, only some crybaby that is having a bad round would say anything about a dog that is not barking or bothering anyone.

I am pretty sure a rule was passed a few years ago that allowed no animals in PDGA sanctioned events. Any rules gurus remember this?

I remember it because Pete Middlecamp used to bring some kind of critter with him when he played and I asked him what he thought of the new rule.

Dogs are forbidden in the seven pages of new rules for next year that no one seems to know about. I think. I could be wrong. The word "dog" is in there, I'm pretty sure. Maybe dogs are mandatory this year? Maybe they are allowed if they wear Henleys in a hi-tec performance fabric with no offensive logos? Maybe you can't eat dogs or burgers from the two minute warning until you turn in your card? I know there is something about dogs this year in the official non-rules rules.

Mark Ellis used to pay for an entry fee for his dog so no one would object. This I know.

If Dogs are illegal in a sanctioned event than what are you supposed to do when a "pedestrian" is walking his dog through the park and then he/she becomes fascinated by the game of DG and decides to follow the group around and watch 9 holes?

In Norman Oklahoma there is a sanctioned tournament right next to a dog park, in last years B tier there were a few random pedestrians walking their dogs while watching groups play golf. What is the difference if a friend/spouse is walking YOUR dog while watching your group play golf versus some random pedestrian who knows nothing about a "sanctioned" anything?

IMO dogs are always welcome on my card whether it's sanctioned or not...if the dog is annoying or chewing up peoples disc than someone has to speak up and make an executive decision to get the dog off the card.

Dog's rule!!

If Dogs are illegal in a sanctioned event than what are you supposed to do when a "pedestrian" is walking his dog through the park and then he/she becomes fascinated by the game of DG and decides to follow the group around and watch 9 holes?

In Norman Oklahoma there is a sanctioned tournament right next to a dog park, in last years B tier there were a few random pedestrians walking their dogs while watching groups play golf. What is the difference if a friend/spouse is walking YOUR dog while watching your group play golf versus some random pedestrian who knows nothing about a "sanctioned" anything?

IMO dogs are always welcome on my card whether it's sanctioned or not...if the dog is annoying or chewing up peoples disc than someone has to speak up and make an executive decision to get the dog off the card.

Dog's rule!!



I am REALLY, REALLY allergic to dogs but I would welcome a dog on my card any day also. I think they are good luck. Most dogs seem to "get" what you all are doing when looking for a lost disc and most of them will find it before any of us humans will. You just have to learn their "tell" when they find it. Some will sit quietly near the disc, some will immediately run away once they find it...whatever it is, if you figure it out it can be quite a help.

I don't know why we need a rule to not allow dogs.

great i can see it now. some top pro / mad clown will bring a pitbull with him to get in the heads of his competitors. (when devising rules you have to consider worse-case -- not just best-case -- scenarios people)

dogs are great. so are infants. probably best to leave both home during PDGA play.

ESPN 3 announcer: that's right folks, unlike ball golf and most other sports, Pro Frisbee Golfers are allowed to bring their dogs with them during competitive play. Brad has trained his dog to bark when Dean is putting. this should be good because they are both in the finals...

Ive only seen a dog during sanctioned play once, and it was a daschound and rode on the golf cart the whole time,the dog didnt bother anyone and stayed quiet the whole time;everyone on the card was calling him birdie dog because none of us were getting any :D.I would never bring my dog to a sanctioned event because she is a golden retriever, and like jon_e_p said I would have to unman the dog while throwing.She is great for casual play at wooded courses with a lot of shule like Circle C because she can find a disc and usually helps everyone out that I am playing with.

Oh, yeah. Dogs are banned from all events, not just A/NT/Ms. Pocket mice, hedgies and parrots are also banned at all PDGA events, even if you get nice little Henleys for them.

Those who state that they brought their dog and no one had a problem with it, may be assuming too much. Perhaps other players were too polite to speak up.

On the other hand....if you could train a dog to find discs lost in the shule.....

Do you need a second from the card to give a courtesy violation? I thought you just had to notify the offending player and everyone on their card. Then if it happens again the player gets a stroke penalty. I was under the impression that a "second" is not required for a courtesy violation.



No second required for a courtesy violation. You can hand those out all day long. Just make sure the reasons would be defensible if the stroked player goes to the TD for a second opinion.

I used to have a golf dog, but she has passed away. I haven't bothered to teach the new dogs how to act on the course, so they stay at home.

since it is impossible to determine at the outset whether a dog will be a problem or not the obvious solution is to leave them all at home.

if you add a rule for dogs include them under Caddies and make unruly caddies/dogs a DQable offense.

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It's not a courtesy violation to bring your dog. It is against the rules. Read the rules. Well, read the rules if they ever decide to put the rules in the rules book.

Why do we need two rules books?

Why do we need two rules books?



The second rule book doesn't apply to Jason.

can you quote the rule for us? thanks

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It's not a courtesy violation to bring your dog. It is against the rules. Read the rules.



Not what I said. Read the post.

If the dog is causing a nuisance, then it qualifies as a courtesy violation. First time - warning. Second time and all subsequent, a stroke. Rack up enough and you could be DQ'd.

Frankly, dogs don't belong at a disc golf tournament any more than babies belong at movie theatres or orchestra concerts. Common sense seems so elusive for some these days.........

3.5 E. For those players wishing to use a carrying device, approved carrying devices include disc golf
bags, foldable chairs and push cart companions. No animals, motor driven or bicycle type
devices shall be allowed at all PDGA events.

Beat me to it! It's in the 2007 Comp. Manual.

Note that it applies to caddies. A player may not use an animal, or motor driven device, or bicycle as a caddie.

However, spotters and other tournament staff may use golf carts or antique minibikes to get around the course and do their jobs.

I like dogs and am pretty indifferent as to them being on the course as long as they are not distracting me.

However, after this incident I am a little more wary of people bringing their dogs with them. I was playing a casual round with a group that included a dog. The dog had been well behaved the entire round. While in mid runup on a hole I hear the group break out in laughter. I finish my throw and turn to see the said dog finishing urinating into my bag.

The only more egregious courtesy violation I can think of would be the owner rather than the dog relieving himself in my bag.

I know the responsibility fell upon the owner but since then I have always been wary of groups with canines in them

Playing devil's advocate....

What if someone has a service dog? I don't think you can ban those. That would be against Federal law, no?

Oh and Tony (my caddy dog) wasn't a problem. I asked before the round. I trust the ladies I was playing with would have had NO problem telling me if it was a problem. ;)

I don't like "rules" being in the competition standards and NOT in the official rule book. People don't read the rule book as it is. They sure as H E double hockey sticks aren't going to read the competition standards. Cruel, but true.

I see this as another example of a rule which will be enforced when it becomes a problem.

Fair enough, but how many people needing service dogs will be able to play in sanctioned disc golf tournaments? Not sure if prohibiting a service dog from a golf tournament is a violation of federal law. Good question.

And there is a solution to people not reading the rule book. Open it up and start reading. Folks who don't suffer the consequences of their decision. So be it.

As for enforcement, you're probably right. The "flippin' out and cussing other players" rule isn't enforced consistently and that's much more egregious than the presence of a dog.

Those who state that they brought their dog and no one had a problem with it, may be assuming too much. Perhaps other players were too polite to speak up.




Whatever dude...

I've had my Schnauzer (Frankie) with me at numerous sanctioned events and not once has anyone had a problem with it, your assumption is way off. In fact at the semi-final round at Tulsa Worlds the people on my card gave my dog a "high five" on our last hole, classic stuff...IF someone had a serious problem with it then out of respect I would leave him in the SUV, but it's NEVER happened.

IMO, if a player can't handle a well behaved dog on their card they are playing the wrong sport.

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Frankers is the bomb. Hey Mike, can I dogsit for you?

Frankers is the bomb. Hey Mike, can I dogsit for you?



Yes, thank you for the offer. During Feb of next year Julie and I will be out of town for a week or so...I will remind you when the time comes, tough guy :D

Playing devil's advocate....

What if someone has a service dog? I don't think you can ban those. That would be against Federal law, no?

Oh and Tony (my caddy dog) wasn't a problem. I asked before the round. I trust the ladies I was playing with would have had NO problem telling me if it was a problem. ;)

I don't like "rules" being in the competition standards and NOT in the official rule book. People don't read the rule book as it is. They sure as H E double hockey sticks aren't going to read the competition standards. Cruel, but true.

I see this as another example of a rule which will be enforced when it becomes a problem.




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Interesting...

So if your putting and the dog barks you can ask the dog to leave :p

a dog that is trained to assist someone with a disability is trained to not bark at movies. if it is a seeing eye-dog or some similarly trained dog is needed for a person to function -- that is an altogether different category than bringing your dog if you don't rely on it as a way of functioning through your disability.

i don't think anyone is suggesting service dogs should be banned. the point is just that it is inappropriate to bring your dog with you during a PDGA tournament round if you are competing. bring it during casual play if you like. some people don't like dogs and that is their right. kids play in public parks and some parents don't want their kids in contact with strange dogs. that's one of the reasons why there are leash laws.

do you really want to see Climo, Schultz, Doss, & Schweb each with a dog following them during the Finals :confused:

Exactly! And one must remember that the above laws pertain to some of the most well-behaved animals in the world. For the most part, this thread is interested in courtesy of pets- not ADA laws involved with service animals.
I have never seen a service animal on a disc golf course, or a ball golf course for that matter. I have only seen pets; some of those interactions have been wonderful, some not so good.

I for one am fine with well-behaved dogs in casual rounds but tournament play is a different story.
Have you ever seen a dog on TV in a PGA tournament? Have you ever even seen one in the gallery?

do you really want to see Climo, Schultz, Doss, & Schweb each with a dog following them during the Finals :confused:



You just put a hilarious picture in my head, and no that would not be appropriate.

When I sign up for a sanctioned event and I am playing Open I do not bring my dog. But playing as an Amateur I will continue to bring Frankie to sanctioned events because I've never experienced a problem with him, AMS for the most part are more laid back than Open players...

Maybe the next generation of disc golfers will see televised disc golf with larger payouts, if the sport was already there I would not bring my dog with me, period. Face it guys, our sport is still grass roots consisting of a bunch of modern day hippies. Dog's on the card is not a big deal..........YET ;)

that's one of the reasons why there are leash laws.


dogs at tournaments should certainly be leashed.


do you really want to see Climo, Schultz, Doss, & Schweb each with a dog following them during the Finals :confused:


I get your point for sure... but now that you mention it... yeah, I would kinda like to see that. ;)

As the proud guardian of a 9 year old Siberian Husky ( Axl ), I can agree that not all dogs are suitable for disc golf. However, Axl has been my disc golf caddy for 8 and a half years now. I have spent countless hours training him for his caddy duty, and I would say that he loves disc golf as much as I do. I have a special doggy backpack that he wears, and it carries my discs perfectly. My other Siberian Husky ( Klondike ) also has a backpack, but he carries the beer. :D I almost never play a round without them. On our private 18 hole course they don't require a leash, but on the public courses I always use a leash ( as any responsible pet guardian should ). They are both smart and well behaved dogs .... until other dogs are present .... then they tend to get distracted. My point is that if they were the only dogs on the course, there are no problems. But if everyone had a dog with them, it would be complete chaos. So I can understand why it's not a good idea to allow players to bring along their dogs at sanctioned competitive events. However, that doesn't mean that they can't be at the event under the supervision of my wife while I am playing.

I heard Snoop Dog plays disc golf. By all these posts I see he would be banned...not because he's black, it's because he's a dog.

I heard Snoop Dog plays disc golf. By all these posts I see he would be banned...not because he's black, it's because he's a dog.



No, he's allowed because he's a Dogg, not a dog.

I heard Snoop Dog plays disc golf. By all these posts I see he would be banned...not because he's black, it's because he's a dog.



No, he's allowed because he's a Dogg, not a dog.



No, he would only be allowed on the basis that he shares! :D

I am generally indifferent regarding dogs. Some I like, some I don't like, just like people. However as a Pro attempting to make $$ at tournaments, I don't want dogs around while I'm playing. I don't think they should be allowed during sanctioned tourneys. Casual play, of course, is fine.

However as a Pro attempting to make $$ at tournaments, I don't want dogs around while I'm playing.



Big 10-4, that is the reason I would never bring my dog when playing in the open division...some Open players are actually playing for their livelihood. Amateurs are more laid back.

From what I've seen, I think those that have brought their dogs along maybe feel that the tournament is sorta small and that it should be o.k. Dogs and rustling leaves are not good when lining up a putt. And I do agree that most would feel very hesitant to say anything to the owner about not wanting the dog there. When I was playing Rec. and Int. then I really couldn't care less but for Adv. and Pro. gotta say I'd not want any dogs on my card.

Well since Clydesdale the DOG is the subject of this threads original post (and his best doggie friend Paco, the other dog at the tourney) I'd better chime in.
I was against (but tolorant of) dogs on the course. Some dogs are way worse then others. If it's a dog that'll chase & chew on your plastic he should not be there.
I felt this way for many years. It's taken years to cool my jets enough to play decent golf. (Thanks to the hundreds of better players that I've had the chance to play with.)
Anything can be a distraction while playing and you will find the best players rarely show that something external has distracted them.
Clyde found me one day at the awesome Circle R DG ranch outside Wimberley, TX. He had been abused, was hungry, dirty, scared, beaten and had is testicles tightly wrapped with rubber bands where an infection had set in.
For the first few months I had him he had free reign to wander the ranch. (I was working there at the time) Most of the time he would just follow me from the office to the warehouse & back but he loved to join any golf group on their rounds.
Yes, he can be distracting. Get in the way on the tee. Wander up the fairway and hang out by the basket. :o
If you throw a bad shot...better blame the DOG. :(
During the tournaments he has attended w/ me he is leashed and he does'nt tug or pull while leashed. He also has not ever taken a leak on someones bag! (although he has "slimed" a few w/ his "Hootch" like drool - way worse in the summer heat then now)
Since I live alone w/o a fenced yard for him to stay in, I've brought him w/ me to several one day local tourneys and one 2 day tourney where the "tie him up for a round" experiment failed. (he has seperation anxiety - barks when tied up & I am out of sight...in this case he barked the entire round - very distracting for everyone playing the 18th hole)
He has been boarded several times to allow me to go play tournaments. (I think he is way more distracting to me while playing then any of the other players I've played with BTW)
The good news (Susan) is that my fence is about 1/3 built and should be completed by the next one day C-tier so there is a good chance he will not be joining me. :cool:

OH SNAP - the leaves rustled - ^#@($*ng DOG! - hahaha :D- Don't get mad - get BETTER!

I heard Snoop Dog plays disc golf. By all these posts I see he would be banned...not because he's black, it's because he's a dog.



He's banned for rule 804.5B

Can I bring a monkey to a tourney? They fling poo very well, so I would imagine they could throw Discraft.

Alex, the dogs were brought up by someone other than myself, but you will have to admit that at Shawshank, when you threw across the pond (#16?) and left him at the tee box, he barked, and barked and barked. There were two cards putting right in that vicinity, and it was annoying and not short lived. I am surprised that someone else didn't say anything that day.

Isn't it funny how female statements are taken as attacks? I wasn't complaining, if I'd been complaining you would have KNOWN about it. LOL :D

Suemac isnt it kind of late to start complaining :o:Dyou female are something else always complaining:o :Dthe only statement you make are complaining ones :o:Dman up :o:D

Sue - Once again - sorry about that. When he barks, it's non-stop. A muzzle is dangerous & cruel. I'm not going to beat him...just have to keep him w/ me then he will not bark.
I have just finished digging & setting 6 fence posts in concrete. He will stay home for future local one day events once the fence is completed. (not a cheap project)
Ouch - my aching back!

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Where's bee_gone?




I didn't go anywhere, I'm right here!

I know you are right there Dave, We all know that EVERY word I write here is a complaint, and that I never have anything nice to say about anyone.....................

ESPECIALLY Y O U ! ! ! LOL :D

No Argument here Suemac I'm use to your Barking :o:D

2000 worlds I played almost every round with Cheney Steinenger and his dad who had a sog with him every round. It was the most well behaved dog I have ever played with. Sat quietly for every shot. Didn't bother me one bit.

And in the 2002 PFDO, my dog, who was let off the leash by Kevin Stewart, played the entire round with me, Kevin and Juiliana. She never said anything, and we had a great time. Even saw Kevin hit her disc that was sitting beside the basket with his drive and it kicked her disc and somehow got it to roll away about 50 feet from the pin.

I have a dog named frisbee who plays every day with me. She used to come to tournaments, but not any more. It's just not fair to the other people. I mean, she is well behaved but I have had 1 incident that will make me never bring my dog again.

The only tournament she gets to come to is The Ohio River Bear Open, because she was found there in 2001 at the tournament and she has been there every year since. She has been there more years than 95% of the people who play the event.

but back to the subject. Bring your dog, but tie them up when it's time for the round...........unless you have a dog that barks the whole time they are tiedup, then leave it at home.

That makes me think that these huge events like the usdgc, need some sort of kennel service. Because I know lots of people probably travel everywhere with their dog like I do.

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I sure hope they were on the LO bad band list. ;)

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We introduced a guy to disc golf and he would always bring his dogs. Of course during casual play it was okay. His dogs would run ahead and always seemed in the way. Someone was making a long putt to the basket and lipped the rim and the disc kicked back and landed on the dogs back. He started tight circles to figure out what was on his butt and got scared and started running. The disc fell of the dog after about 25 feet away and rolled down the hill.
It was hillarious. We had to take a break until we could stop laghing. :cool:
Hey, What up tent hopper? ;) SB

One of my favorite dog stories, even though I didn't see it...

One guy teed off, the drive missed a dog's back by maybe 6" (could've been a foot, but it was close at least). The dog didn't flinch, walked over to the disc, and peed on it.

Classic.

Well, if you believe the Moises Alou school of thought, the urine should make the plastic stronger and more durable...remember, he pisses on his hands before every game to make them stronger.

I'm still perplexed w/ this "theory".....someone get Guy B. to try this out and let us know the results :D

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I am completely okay with well behaved dogs, in fact, I prefer them to a lot of humans at tourneys.

Alternative suggestion: can we ban obnoxious players?

How about entire cards that move slower than glaciers?

These are much more distracting to me.

Ive only seen a dog during sanctioned play once, and it was a daschound and rode on the golf cart the whole time,the dog didnt bother anyone and stayed quiet the whole time;everyone on the card was calling him birdie dog because none of us were getting any :D.I would never bring my dog to a sanctioned event because she is a golden retriever, and like jon_e_p said I would have to unman the dog while throwing.She is great for casual play at wooded courses with a lot of shule like Circle C because she can find a disc and usually helps everyone out that I am playing with.



That was my dogg Birdie (that is her name because I birdied the first hole I ever played with her #15 at Boomer in Stillwater OK) She did like the cart (her legs are pretty short :D) I think well behaved dogs are all good they make the round more enjoyable. It releives stress when you throw a bad shot to just see the dog enjoying the outdoors and it remindes me to relax and just play...IT IS JUST A GAME!

and I think it would be cool if pro discers had their dogs on ESPN would make us even more diffrent and that is COOL.
You can't follow your whole life :D

Frisbee Dogs.

I have had a couple dogs that regularly joined me during casual and tournament rounds. The best was Bageera, a Minature Schnauzer who, -off the leash - exhibited better courtesy than most pros. She knew the customs of the game, stayed behind the group and remained quiet and unmoving when a player set up for a shot. Sometimes at local tournaments she walked the course with me. I usually would put a leash on her and clip it to my bag at the start of the round. If the players seemed comfortable with her I might take her off the leash at some point. It really didn�t matter. The only challenge would be if we encountered another dog on the course. She wouldn�t react but the other dog might.

When Bageera passed away, my next Frisbee dog was Hajii the Weasel, a Cocker Spaniel. After a few years of training, Hajii was tournament ready. So Hajii joined the PDGA and competed in the Open division.

At the time, I had blown out my right knee and had to abandon throwing backhand drives. My forehand drives were so erratic that I really could not compete at the Am 1 level, so rather than drop back down to Am 2, I just played Open, figuring I would rather watch and play with the Pros and contribute to their division. And contribute I did, going DFL for the first 16 or 17 events in my Pro career. Sometimes I entered Hajii in events, where we sort of shared DFL honors. He was much more consistent than I, carding a 7 on every hole.

Hajii never developed to the level of Bageera but was certainly better than most Ams in terms of courtesy. Clipped to a bag Hajii was superb. Off the leash he sometimes got fooled. He was used to playing with players who would just step up and take the shot. Some of the real slow and tentative players who took forever to shoot did not make sense to Hajii. They did not make sense to me either but that is another topic.

One year Hajii played in most of the Can-Am series. Scott Stokely attended only the Finals of the series and won that event. However based on the scoring system used that year, when they published the overall series standing, Hajii edged out Stokely. Hajii, being the noble animal that he was never rubbed it in.

I never had a complaint from any player who played a tournament round with Hajii. However one Pro complained that Hajii was always assigned to my card rather than being randomly assigned like everyone else. It was apparent that the Pro wasn�t joking - he was serious, no matter how irrational it sounds- so I stopped entering Hajii in events.

Hajii developed a blood disease and died. It was weird; he went from healthy to dead in a few days. Both Hajii and Bageera are secretly buried at the Disc Golf Course at Kensington Metro Park. I guess the secret is out now.

great story- sad to hear that all the dogs passed away though.

I think that all dogs are cool except furdogs. Man Furdogs do suck!

Both Hajii and Bageera are secretly buried at the Disc Golf Course at Kensington Metro Park. I guess the secret is out now.



Kick arse, you laid them to rest on familiar ground...they sounded like a couple good companions.

I too have a Schnauzer who likes to play golf.

Dog's rule!

I have a cat who will chase & retrieve a lightweight mini, including a mid-air catch just like Ashley Whippet. Strangest farging thing you've ever seen.

I have a cat who will chase & retrieve a lightweight mini, including a mid-air catch just like Ashley Whippet. Strangest farging thing you've ever seen.



That's no cat.

Actually, I had a boss who had a cat that would chase and fetch pipe-cleaners and twist-ties. Very odd. All my cats do is stare at me when I try to get them to do that.

Both my current cats fetch. Liz once tried to retrieve a full size golf ball in her mouth. She made it a couple feet before she decided it was just too heavy. She's great with wine corks.

The young cat, Moe is 8 months old and still crazy. He will chase ANYTHING you throw for him. He's pretty good about bringing it back. Espically his best mouse. It has "good mouth feel".

My dearly departed Collie dog, Heidi wouldn't fetch a thing. Herd it, yes, bring it back... forget about it!

All dogs DO go to heaven. It wouldn't BE heavan without them. Oh and all my cats are there, too.

In my copious spare time (LOL) I'll see if I can capture & post some video of Opie catching and retrieving a micro-mini. (He also will perform the same feats with a ponytail tie or scrunchy.)

That dog should have at least been on a leash...I do love dogs though and if they aren't a distraction then bring 'em!!!

Only if my dog can be a Border Collie, I want one bad, they are such cool dogs.

Border Collies are great but have so much energy they live to herd and will be pretty deprived unless they can run around a lot every single day.

I wouldnt take that cat to a course if I were you;the only person that I have ever seen take a cat to the course lost it after maybe 5 holes.-we told him :D

No way. I wouldn't burden the other players on my card wih an animal, no matter how entertaining.

Only if my dog can be a Border Collie, I want one bad, they are such cool dogs.



You have to give them a job or they will find one on their own. The job that they will find themselves usually isn't one you would approve of. Chewing up stuff, digging up stuff, generally destroying stuff, you get the picture. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

However, they are great dogs as long as you have the time for them and can channel that energy into something good and not evil. :D

I have a friend who has 2. They are fetching savants.

Only if my dog can be a Border Collie, I want one bad, they are such cool dogs.



You have to give them a job or they will find one on their own. The job that they will find themselves usually isn't one you would approve of. Chewing up stuff, digging up stuff, generally destroying stuff, you get the picture. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



So they're like people. :)

Well like people from Houston maybe :o:D

Mark, Thanks for popping in!
This thread would never have begun if I was still in Toronto! (and if I still missed every putt from 23'...now I only miss 50% of 'em!)
Don't think I'll be buying Clyde a PDGA # & buy him any tournament entries though.

Was digging through my disc archives yesterday and found (2) 2002 OctoberFriz discs that featured 'Ziggy the Friz Dog' on the hotstamp. Ziggy, a golden lab, belonged to 'Hal Baby' Kurz #1685...and Ziggy was commemorated cuz it was his 11th 'Friz attendance. That dog had a LOT of energy!! :cool:

I personally dont mind dogs but when they seem to be right up in yo shizzle everytime your about to throw, expecially when moneys on the line in a tournament, and the owner never makes an appology or recognizes that his mutt is being a nuscance and I still won by 3 strokes, thats when I have the issue.

I mean I bet that fricken dog was up in my grill 30 of my 49 shots

Then you should have said something, Ken.

or kicked it...



j/k

You don't kick the dog, you kick the owner. It's not the dogs fault.

Hope you rubbed his face in it....the money in the owner's face, that is! :D:o

Then you should have said something, Ken.


He shouldn't have to say anything..If it's a tournament, the owner shold know better....imo

No, you shouldn't HAVE to.

However, it's your own fault that it continues when you can't be bothered say anything.

I give little sympathy to people who complain about things after the fact, but didn't SAY anything about it at the time using the "I shouldn't have to" defense.

This discussion board it littered with examples of this. I'm not picking on Ken. But I'm getting tired of people being too timid to even speak up when someone foot faults, moves something they shouldn't, does a falling putt of any other fill in the blank rules infraction. :mad:

I'll climb down from the soapbox now. :D

The problem is that you a dick with a capital-D if you say anything about any rules violation, including 3-foot stance misses to the good side of the tree or the unruly dog biting your leg. :p

Something was said by me and all 5 others in the group at one point or another. When you get together for 10 bux a head, on a private course and its the land owners dog and he's on your card, You dont want to sound like a T.O., I mean an ingrate and keep calling the dog out.

I just rely on my game to rise above.

Dogs are generally welcome on my card if their owner can keep him out of the way.

My dog is on his last days but he was able to enjoy the game of disc golf with me in casual rounds as well as tourney rounds. He walked The Memorial, Masters Cup, La Mirada, Halloween Classic, and several other California tourneys. As far as him being a distraction.....Not one person i asked on my cards had a problem with him being there, yeah its a little odd maybe but not as odd as some of the golfers i played with. To tell the truth my dog has better courtesy than many disc golfers i played with. My dog has never walked in front of me putting, or marked his lie ahead of me and proceed to throw while im trying to throw behind them, no cell phone bothers, or waiting to finish his smoke first. I enjoy the game and so has my dog, in his own way, and if he could walk fine he would be at almost every tourney i play. He has givin the golfers i played with good vibes and they were cool back. Thanks to those who were cool about my dog cruising along during rounds. My dogs last trip to Santa Cruz i ended up carrying him up to 'Top of the World', then he enjoyed watching me triple O.B. for a snowman. Was he a distraction?
WHO CARES! I have a job that pays the bills, and Disc golf is still fun.........................Bud

Just noticed in the PDGA competition manual 11/14/06, Section 3, 3.5, E, states no animals at PDGA events.

Sad to hear your best buddy is ailing :(
Clyde had a lil operation Wednesday...sure does'nt like the conehead!
Hope there is a dg course in doggy heaven.

Just noticed in the PDGA competition manual 11/14/06, Section 3, 3.5, E, states no animals at PDGA events.


Hmmm...bummer
Guess I'll have to just leave him tied up where I guarantee 3 hours of non-stop barking will distract everyone equally.
I still owe Vinnie from the first time I brought him to a tourney & left him @ tourney central...won't do that again!

Just noticed in the PDGA competition manual 11/14/06, Section 3, 3.5, E, states no animals at PDGA events.



It actually states no animals, bicycles or motorized device can be used as a cart or caddie.

I guess having a dog tied to your bag would be considered a caddie. :D

Yes Alex you do still owe me.......make it a fine brew

Yes Alex you do still owe me.......make it a fine brew


You got it!
Maybe breakfast at the Waffle House as well :D

lmao...I just love a good waffle house