Once again the time has come....Whos going up, whos going down...I believe Ill be taking that old position of, going nowhere. Who will win this update battle of the brothers? Bard thinks hes going down. Hope not, but hope so...any hints.

This is going to be my first update, and it is nowhere near what I had hoped, but at least I should have a big jump sometime in the future.

I get to add a couple of rounds, but I don't get to drop any. Should stay the same, maybe go up a point.

But in the June update I get to start dropping last spring's rounds, and that's going to be very good for the ole rating.

I'm going up, about 4 points from my calculations. Which sucks because I am now injured in a way detrimental to disc golf. I either need to learn how to throw lefty or quit playing for a year or so.

probably going up :(

Flat lining here. Last tournament I threw the round of my life in the morning [985] and then followed it up with a 905 in the afternoon. :p

I get to drop six rounds all under 900! Little by little the 850 rounds will be a thing of the past! Ah,,,,,,

any chance of the ratings being out early this time?

Not with Easter weekend.

when do ratings get dropped?

I believe they get dropped after a year.

what is the last weekend of tournaments used in the next update?

what is the last weekend of tournaments used in the next update?



I think I will go up about four.

what is the last weekend of tournaments used in the next update?



Events have to be in by 4/5 (this thursday)to be included in this report..

I think im going down once again!!! Darn Michigan winters and bad circulation!!!

I hope to go up 6 or 7

what is the last weekend of tournaments used in the next update?



Events have to be in by 4/5 (this thursday)to be included in this report..


I thought the cutoff was late march- didn't think BG was gonna be included in this one...
without BG I might click up a point or 2, with it I could drop...


yo <font color="red">springpow4now </font> -here (http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81922)'s some 06/07skipics from another message board... /pow related

You can see exactly what events will be included by looking to see if there is a gold cup by the event on the PDGA Tour pages and click on it. If you see Official Results and no ratings, it will be included in the update. If you see ratings right now, then they are unofficial and the event did not make the update. The last weekend a few events got in was March 24-25.

So you're saying Bowling Green won't go in until June?

what is the last weekend of tournaments used in the next update?



I think I will go up about four.



Ok maybe more since the my rounds that are dropping AVG 995 and the ones going in AVG between 1012-1017. IO don't remember what the unofficials were on a few of them.

Wow, after having reconstructive knee surgery in October - disc golf injury - (ACL cadavor graft inserted, partial MCL tear repaired, miniscus scoped/removed) I'm still going up this update (played 4 rated rounds in March.) And that's with all throws from a standstill (driving maybe 250 feet on a "bomb.")

Something MUST be wrong with this whole ratings system..lol.

I think my rating will drop 6 or 7 point's.

I hope to go up 6 or 7



That is exactly what Im hoping. My math tells me 1007 or 1008. That would be a good start to one of my goals of getting over 1010 by the end of the year.

If my math is close I will have to set my goal a little higher! :cool:

Right now, my main goal is to get healthy. Pinched nerves are NO fun. :confused:

Im with you Vegas, but i dont thik im gettin anything done this update...1010 by december .word.

Im with you Vegas, but i dont thik im gettin anything done this update...1010 by december .word.




Since we all have the same goal why don't we see who can get there fastest. :D

I vote me last....not much pdga events in the Northeast.

I vote me last....not much pdga events in the Northeast.



That's how it is in TX now. :confused: 1 event in the next 2 months. :confused:

NICE to see that the ratings SPLIT did happen at the Memorial.........

38 pt difference between OPEN &amp; Masters rounds on Sunday /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
I knew they would be different........just not THAT different :D

The Gentlemans Club was also broken out on Friday and Sunday for their stagger rounds.

Dang, now Des Reading is rated higher than me! :mad::D

yeah, I think Sunday's differential is a LOT more extreme than the differential for Saturday.

Here's a comparison.

I shot 65 on Saturday in the howling wind. It was rated 954.
A Masters player shooting a 65 was rated 941.
A Masters player shooting a 55 was rated 1024. 70 point difference.

On Sunday, the best Open score, 56, was rated 1051
The TOP Masters score, a 60, was rated 1049. 4 strokes worse, 2 points lower.

To put this in persective, a Masters player could shoot 4 over par, 68, for a 1000 rated round, while an Open player would have to shoot 1 UNDER par for a 1000 rated round. 5 strokes different.

I think the swing at Fountain Hills was much larger, and the swing at Vista was a lot less.

The high rounds in the most stacked NT are only 10 points higher than the highest rated player? That's a bit crazy. Show me another NT where the top scores aren't in the 1060s or 1070s.
Last year, Climo tore it up at Vista. He shot 55 and 54. His 55 was rated 1078, and his 54 was rated 1069.
55 1078 57 969 54 1069
Now how is it that as well stacked as the tournament was this year, that no Pro score approached those levels? I shot 57, 1 off the best in the last round, second best round of the day, and it's a measly 1043.

Seems not very right to me.

How did my rating drop when I am cashing more and playing better golf than I ever have? :confused:

probably the fact that your november rounds are no longer doubled. Your latest tournament is above, but the previous 2 are below your ratings. Doubling often hurts.

ratings smatings :confused: .. thanks Matt

ratings smatings :confused: .. thanks Matt



I'm kinda suprised on this one too. I figured I'd at least hit 1007 considering The rounds I was dropping were nearly 20 points lower than the ones I was replacing them and I 3 point jump seems a little low but no Biggie.

I just went back and calculated everything and it is right but my three oldest rounds that are double weighted averaged 977 and so that is what caught me by suprise. :D

SCOOTER,i just checked your ratings detail...If you dont beat me to 1010 then you've started playing reindeer games at the events...Or i had someone tanya harding you.

SCOOTER,i just checked your ratings detail...If you dont beat me to 1010 then you've started playing reindeer games at the events...Or i had someone tanya harding you.



Why? Is it because I had a lot of really low rounds that will be dropping soon? :D

could be... I will be playing a b tier this weekend...Only 3 1000 rated players though! Where are you goin next?

I hope to go up 6 or 7



That is exactly what Im hoping. My math tells me 1007 or 1008. That would be a good start to one of my goals of getting over 1010 by the end of the year.

If my math is close I will have to set my goal a little higher! :cool:

Right now, my main goal is to get healthy. Pinched nerves are NO fun. :confused:



Good math Trotter.

could be... I will be playing a b tier this weekend...Only 3 1000 rated players though! Where are you goin next?



B-tier with 1-2 1000+ guys. :D

Northeast BABY...yeaherrrrrrrr!

You could move back to Carolina!

one day.

I cant believe no one is talking about this yet!!! Its only 2 days away and unfortunatly I believe my rating will be going DOWN for the 3rd update in a row!!! :mad::mad::mad:

But I guess thats what happens when you STOP practicing!!!

Chuck, do you still find out B4 the rest of us? if so, is my middle digit now a 7?

There's a new show on Friday nights... No bingo!

Just guessing though since the final run is still in progress.

so will the ratings be early?

Depends on how the correction check comes out and what Dave has to do tomorrow.

Any new updates on the ratings coming out? Early is great! thank you for all that you do at the PDGA.

Chuck ... I know they came in late ... But can you tell me if the Colorado Open results (tourney held May 12-13) will be included in ratings updates for Colorado Players? (please say yes!)

It doesn't look like Colorado Open made it. Dave has gone home and there are a few corrections remaining to the file. Looks like sometime midday tomorrow for the earliest chance the new ratings will be posted.

darn, i guess i have something to look forward to tomorrow then :D

:(

i believe you once suggested the process might be tweaked such that the unofficial round ratings would not disappear until the update as they do now if they are already processed. any chance that will still happen? (he asked, kicking himself for not saving the unofficial ratings of the rounds which will become effective with this update...)

Not sure where that is on Gentry's steadily increasing project list. If you noticed in the latest DGW, he's put out the request for IT volunteers so hopefully that means he'll now have time to orient and guide their projects.

I'm guessing I dropped. But I'm also guessing my next rating will JUMP!

If AmNats is incldued my guess is that I'm up from 913 to 926.

Go ahead and delay that update as long as possible, Chuck. I have a 1000+, a 999, and whole bunch of 950+ rounds in the "drop zone" of January through June 2006. I wouldn't mind one bit if y'all skipped this update since I think my rating is going to plummet with all those good rounds going away. :)

Just one question Chuck.........Up or down? and please be nice

It is what it is...

Really??? Interesting Hopefully now that im commited to a strict practice regimine I can get back to making a fast paced climb to 1000 :D

Chuck, is Am Nats going to be included? I noticed that the unofficial ratings disappeared very quickly.

Am Nats is in.

Fantastic :) My fast paced climb to mediocrity begins tomorrow!

Not sure where that is on Gentry's steadily increasing project list. If you noticed in the latest DGW, he's put out the request for IT volunteers so hopefully that means he'll now have time to orient and guide their projects.


interesting considering that he completely dropped communication with me about an entire community worth of developers willing to donate time and resources to improving IT at the PDGA... I suppose those who approach him aren't as valuable as those who respond to a magazine ad.

some of us want to improve this sport through technology... but we've been denied the chance. I suppose we could always create a more technologically advanced, competing organization that could accomplish more for less money... quite a shame considering what could have been.

Bummer Colorado won't make it :(

Ratings are up!

If there are mistakes, what's the process for getting them corrected? (e.g. The Open Women at Fivetone.com Presents IOS #2 at Lombard - Pro/Adv (5/19/07) played the same course but did not get rated)

w00t! within one point of guessing mine correctly! 927... the rise to mediocrity has begun!

I thought rounds that were 50 points below an established rating were tossed? Is that not true?

100 points

You went from White to Blue for Mid-Nats!

I've forwarded the correction to Roger although I checked and this is an example where Brakel's trickiness bit back by hosting an Open Women division with all Trophy Only players. The TD report does not recognize that as a division since Trophy Only makes no sense if there are no fully paid pros to call it a pro division.

It would have worked just fine if those women paid the same entry fee they did and that was considered the full price Open Women entry fee. They could all four have declined any payout to retain their Am status, the system would have seen it as a legit division and processed their ratings.

well...Markus and Anders are at a total 2018....Bard and I are at 2012....Thats about 1/2 a stroke, depending on where you play....Next update we'll take em down.

Chuck,

The same situation that Krupicka mentioned occurred with the Juniors at IOS # 1. Their rounds were not counted in thier ratings.

Thank you,

Steve

Not the same reason but we'll look into it. They should have ratings.

RIght on time, nice work Chuck. Went down again...

The Adv Master 3rd round at DGLO looks a bit off. They did not play the same course that Adv played.

We'll check into it. If the course layouts don't come to us from the TDs correctly, we usually can't see the problem unless maybe a Jr Girl shoots a 1000 rated round.

We'll check into it. If the course layouts don't come to us from the TDs correctly, we usually can't see the problem unless maybe a Jr Girl shoots a 1000 rated round.



RIght right, not your mistake. Just pointing it out.

So if im 915 rated now, does that mean I have to play advance from now on?

Yes, unless you play in series that has an exemption that allows you to play Intermediate the rest of the year, but only in those series events.

I noticed that the Alamance County Shootout (NC, May 12-13) scores were posted unofficially but were not included in this ratings update. Was the TD report ever turned in to PDGA? Why else might this have happened? I noticed that the unofficial ratings are still available, normally they come off after a couple weeks and the official ratings come out with the next ratings update.

Mr. Kennedy...how many rated rounds would I need to play to get rid of my early 2005 rounds...I only have 10 rated rounds since 04...thanks

The fact unofficial ratings are still there for Alamance is a very good clue that the event hasn't been reported to the PDGA. They won't disappear until we get it.

Ratings are just a nice to know baseline evaluation, I have played 900 rated players and won and have lost to 700 rated players .. The disk flys better some days than others and we all have those bad days, just mine seem to be during rated tournaments .. :(

Ratings are just a nice to know baseline evaluation, I have played 900 rated players and won and have lost to 700 rated players .. The disk flys better some days than others and we all have those bad days, just mine seem to be during rated tournaments .. :(


Been there, done that. I couldn't agree more. ;)

chuck

I noticed that most of my rounds (most noteably the Atlanta Open and the Virginia Open) lowered.

I know you have explained the boost, but why? I just don't understand how if you run the same numbers with the same players with the same ratings you would need a boost in the first place?

There is no boost any more. That was only during the one year transition when we went from 15% drops to 2%. I don't think there's any boost left in the online formula but I can't look at it to see. I thought Dave took the final one point boost away already.

I played a c-tier event on 04-14-07, when the ratings update came out today it wasn't on there. Why wouldn't that show up from two months ago ? It was the North Texas Series #8 - Crawford Park.

Ask the TD. Every event the PDGA receives by the deadline gets rated. If an event doesn't have ratings that show up in your stats, take a look under the event name when the scores are displayed. It will say "Unofficial" which means the TD hasn't sent in the report to the PDGA. No report. No points. No ratings.

Ask the TD. Every event the PDGA receives by the deadline gets rated. If an event doesn't have ratings that show up in your stats, take a look under the event name when the scores are displayed. It will say "Unofficial" which means the TD hasn't sent in the report to the PDGA. No report. No points. No ratings.



You'd think since we paid our entry fees, participated and wait patiently for everyones ducks to get lined up, that the PDGA, not the player, would be responsible for getting the results. Afterall, you are receiving money from every player.

Shouldn't the PDGA be the one spearheading getting the results from every weekend's tournies?

Mr. Kennedy...how many rated rounds would I need to play to get rid of my early 2005 rounds...I only have 10 rated rounds since 04...thanks

There is no boost any more. That was only during the one year transition when we went from 15% drops to 2%. I don't think there's any boost left in the online formula but I can't look at it to see. I thought Dave took the final one point boost away already.



well then why was the atl open and the virginia open ratings so much lower??
I mean I shot a 55 the 2nd round of the tournament and then shot a 53 the 3rd on the same layout and the 53 was rated lower?

Ask the TD. Every event the PDGA receives by the deadline gets rated. If an event doesn't have ratings that show up in your stats, take a look under the event name when the scores are displayed. It will say "Unofficial" which means the TD hasn't sent in the report to the PDGA. No report. No points. No ratings.



You'd think since we paid our entry fees, participated and wait patiently for everyones ducks to get lined up, that the PDGA, not the player, would be responsible for getting the results. Afterall, you are receiving money from every player.

Shouldn't the PDGA be the one spearheading getting the results from every weekend's tournies?



The HQ can only do so much. They can't make the TD call them back or reply to emails. Short of travelling to each delinquent TD's home, what more can the HQ do?

Exactly.....you pay your entry fee to the TD so he can put on an event, and part of his responsibility is sending in the "TD Report" in a timely manner. Entering event results and providing us with a rating is a huge year round project for the PDGA, we can't expect them to remind TD's to do their jobs. It's up to the paying competitors to "spearhead" the TDs to get it done.

What about the Yadkinville Spring Tourney. The unofficial ratings are no longer up but this event was not included in the update. It was June 2nd so it could have gotten in. Just wondering.

I dropped 16. :(

Yet I beat 14 1000 rated players this weekend. :)

I will wait for the next update. It should be a bigger jump up than this one is down.

What about the Yadkinville Spring Tourney. The unofficial ratings are no longer up but this event was not included in the update. It was June 2nd so it could have gotten in. Just wondering.



Dave processes reports and posts them online pretty quickly after receiving them. I suspect that this report came in just after the June 12 deadline for the current ratings update but he's posted it already for official results in the past week.

Mr. Kennedy...how many rated rounds would I need to play to get rid of my early 2005 rounds...I only have 10 rated rounds since 04...thanks



One event of two rounds. As soon as you play again the oldest four rounds on your current Ratings Detail will drop off. The bottom six if you play a four round event.

well then why was the atl open and the virginia open ratings so much lower??
I mean I shot a 55 the 2nd round of the tournament and then shot a 53 the 3rd on the same layout and the 53 was rated lower?




We are combining all scores from all rounds on the same layout now to do official ratings unless the TD tells us certain rounds had significantly different wind. The online software hasn't been modified to do this. So, the unofficial ratings are likely more off now until this programming can be done.

Exactly.....you pay your entry fee to the TD so he can put on an event, and part of his responsibility is sending in the "TD Report" in a timely manner. Entering event results and providing us with a rating is a huge year round project for the PDGA, we can't expect them to remind TD's to do their jobs. It's up to the paying competitors to "spearhead" the TDs to get it done.



??

The HQ can remind the TD's until they're blue in the face.

Should the HQ be freezing assets, notifying the local authorities, issuing court papers?

If the TD is slacking, the most the HQ can do is suspend a TD's official's license, which prevents the TD from holding sanctioned events. Unfortunately it is up to the players to pressure the TD to make things right.

(I know that they have done this recently to one TD here in Houston, but the HQ cannot make him respond to phone calls or emails. And he's apparently not responding to anyone in the DG world.)

Exactly.....you pay your entry fee to the TD so he can put on an event, and part of his responsibility is sending in the "TD Report" in a timely manner. Entering event results and providing us with a rating is a huge year round project for the PDGA, we can't expect them to remind TD's to do their jobs. It's up to the paying competitors to "spearhead" the TDs to get it done.



??

The HQ can remind the TD's until they're blue in the face.

Should the HQ be freezing assets, notifying the local authorities, issuing court papers?

If the TD is slacking, the most the HQ can do is suspend a TD's official's license, which prevents the TD from holding sanctioned events. Unfortunately it is up to the players to pressure the TD to make things right.

(I know that they have done this recently to one TD here in Houston, but the HQ cannot make him respond to phone calls or emails. And he's apparently not responding to anyone in the DG world.)



read my quote...i SAID we CAN"T expect the PDGA to remind TD's to send in their reports. I was agreeing with you.

well then why was the atl open and the virginia open ratings so much lower??
I mean I shot a 55 the 2nd round of the tournament and then shot a 53 the 3rd on the same layout and the 53 was rated lower?




We are combining all scores from all rounds on the same layout now to do official ratings unless the TD tells us certain rounds had significantly different wind. The online software hasn't been modified to do this. So, the unofficial ratings are likely more off now until this programming can be done.



The round 3 and round 4 layouts are wrong for the VA Open.

the open and the ams played different courses, yet it showing as the same.

I hope me bringin this up fixes it.

It was the same in the preliminary round ratings -and is one of the flaws of the rating calculation. In the prelim RR's of VAO I shot one better on the darkside on Sunday then on Saturday but the rating was 9 points LOWER. It's stuff like this that speaks to the need for the rating to be based on the course, and not on the scores of other players. Especially when there is no real difference in conditions for play. Barring any significant weather changes, the same score should get the same rating for anyone that shoots it.

Barring any significant weather changes, the same score should get the same rating for anyone that shoots it.



And it does. It's been that way all year. All rounds on the same layout now get the same rating at an event unless the TD says the wind was different one round.

The round 3 and round 4 layouts are wrong for the VA Open. The open and the ams played different courses, yet it showing as the same.



Submitted for correction.

Perhaps MTL's item will correct it then.

If not, please explain how a 52 can get a 1018 rating one day, and a 51 the next day is only 1008 (Same course, no significant difference in conditions).

There are of course other examples. For instance - I found it interesting to see that Yeti and I, Dave B., and the champ all shot the same score for the little DG Cruise course in the Bahamas. We all played it blind (mostly anyway) and it was largely a pitch and putt - but Kenny played it a week after the rest of us - and was rated 6 points higher for the same score. It seems as if it's a function of who's there, or what your rating is going in - and NOT the same rating for the same score on the same course - how does this make sense?

(Perhaps I should have said "at any time" above.)

You may think a course plays the same in two rounds but there are many small things that change from round to round including the fitness of the players and the discs being used. The sun angle changes the lighting of the course which affects distance judgement more than you might expect. Even cloudy versus sunny will change things. Dew on the ground (rollers), slight wind direction change, even if the same speed all affect the scores.

Even the ground changes on wooded courses from the foot traffic moving twigs and rocks. Don't tell me that players aren't affected by how they fared on each hole in the morning and whether that changes what discs they use the next round. Discs are lost or whacked to change their flight characteristics.

Players have an unrealistic expectation of how close the numbers should be. A five shot difference in SSA is only a 10% difference on a 50 SSA course which is a 50 pt difference in ratings. It's still amazes me that most of the time we are within 2 shots (20 pts) from year to year on the same layout let alone the same event. That's only a 4% variance, less than sales tax difference. Knob Hill data shows how consistent the numbers can be over the years:
http://www.pdga.com/tournament/course_ratings_by_course.php?RatingCourseID=119

I am 100% with you Craig.

I will admit, that over time, the ratings have gotten better. Not saying I think they are right, but better. I'm getting to the point where I can pretty much look at the field, know how I played compared to my skill and my rating, and pretty accuratley say what WCP will be that round.

However, I still HATE the fact that players are penalized for a round when the field shoots good and rewarded when the field shoots poorly.

That (basically exactly what Craig is saying) is the biggest problem with ratings.

However, I still HATE the fact that players are penalized for a round when the field shoots good and rewarded when the field shoots poorly.



I think you are discounting the fact that a course SHOULD play differently every time it's played even if it's psychological factors. Things like the amount of negative ions in the air affect everyone positively or smog negatively. The ratings truly reflect how the course including the overall environemnt played at that moment assuming you have enough propagators to legitimately reduce normal variance.

I can flip the situation around and challenge you to prove that the course should play the same regardless of who's playing it on what day for all of the reasons and more mentioned in the previous post. We should be pleasantly surprised whenever the SSAs actually come out the same.

We all played it blind (mostly anyway) and it was largely a pitch and putt - but Kenny played it a week after the rest of us - and was rated 6 points higher for the same score.


I'm not well versed in how the propogator mechanism works, but would guess that if they all simultaneously happened to have particularly good or bad rounds that were independent of the course or playing conditions that it would skew the round ratings for everyone.

In the case you mentioned above, the conditions for Kenny's round were much windier than the first week. I bet that accounts for most of that difference.

Can anyone explain to me that when the ratings are even visible and I add up all the ratings and get that average then ad up all the scores and get that average its seems to be dead on when the ratings come out!!!

As in say Average rating is 975 and average score is 55...........55 is a 975 rated round or darn close and go up and down from there by 5-7 points and BANG im on almost every time!!!

Is that the way ratings are done because if so all you have to do to get a better rating is play where the better players are........You dont even have to get better for your rating to improve 20 points!!!

And Chuck is there any reason why during the BG Open all my rated rounds were OVER 1000 and now that they are in they are all UNDER 1000??? Just curious and thanks for that hard work you put into them just though I was going to have 3 more 1000 plus rated round than I do.

TD did not do all the work needed to enter the course layouts online so the unofficial ratings were never right.

You may think a course plays the same in two rounds but there are many small things that change from round to round including the fitness of the players and the discs being used. The sun angle changes the lighting of the course which affects distance judgement more than you might expect. Even cloudy versus sunny will change things. Dew on the ground (rollers), slight wind direction change, even if the same speed all affect the scores.

Even the ground changes on wooded courses from the foot traffic moving twigs and rocks. Don't tell me that players aren't affected by how they fared on each hole in the morning and whether that changes what discs they use the next round. Discs are lost or whacked to change their flight characteristics.

Players have an unrealistic expectation of how close the numbers should be. A five shot difference in SSA is only a 10% difference on a 50 SSA course which is a 50 pt difference in ratings. It's still amazes me that most of the time we are within 2 shots (20 pts) from year to year on the same layout let alone the same event. That's only a 4% variance, less than sales tax difference. Knob Hill data shows how consistent the numbers can be over the years:
http://www.pdga.com/tournament/course_ratings_by_course.php?RatingCourseID=119



You seem to contradict yourself Chuck.
On the one hand, the sun was in my eyes, I'm a little tired, or my roc has a new knick in it can affect the rating so that an identical score gets a different rating. While on the other hand, Knob hill shows a consistency within a few %. So which is it?

All the little factors you mentioned can be summed up in a single word - it's called GOLF!! The ability to put up a given score on a given layout is what the rating should reflect. Not whether or not the sun was lower or higher in the sky for one player than another (that happens over the course of a single round!!)

read my quote...i SAID we CAN"T expect the PDGA to remind TD's to send in their reports. I was agreeing with you.



My bad, I did misread your statement.

I don't think there's any inconsistency at all. I'm saying that we shouldn't expect SSAs from round to round on the same layout match exactly due to the multiple reasons (other than wind) that have just enough impact for a variance of a few percentage points. Unfortunately, a few percent variance in SSA gets magnified in our process of converting to ratings points such that 20 to 30 points seems like a big deal. The fact we have some variance shouldn't be surprising. Likewise, the fact the numbers are still close on the same course from year to year with a different pool of players indicates the fundamental validity of producing the ratings from the players playing that day versus a fixed number (which would be a nightmare to use as an alternative).

However, if I didn't set the ratings system up so that 1000 was the scratch score and maybe 10 was instead, players might not get upset when their rating came in as 9.4 vs 9.5 for someone shooting the same score on the same layout in a different round. Those numbers seem like almost no difference compared with 938 and 953. We decided on using 1000 to avoid using decimals and negative numbers like ball golf handicaps to keep it a little easier. The tradeoff is player expectations that 15 points is really a big deal when it really isn't from a mathematical standpoint.

...I checked and this is an example where Brakel's trickiness bit back by hosting an Open Women division with all Trophy Only players...



Chuck, when I first read that I took offense to it, but in retrospect having met you once in person I'm sure you meant no harm. I didn't use any trickery IOS #2. I offer trophy only to all the players at all the IOS events. It turns out that all of the women who played pro at IOS #2 chose the trophy only option. Usually they all play trophy only and Barrett White gets a little added cash but this time Barrett didn't play our event. Anyway, if you could do whatever needs to be done to the TD report to get it to work, we would all be appreciative. I'm sure the women that played TO would have no problem if it went down that they declined cash instead. If it ever happens again I can report as that if that's what needs to be done. Thanks for explaining it to us!

Jon, we just know that your group pushes the limits of the options which is fine. This is just an example where a weird situation popped up that you wouldn't expect. If a whole division is playing Trophy Only, you wouldn't expect that to be Pro division but an Am division. We'll modify the report to trap that next year. But if it happens again, simply not paying them out (declining) and calling their entry fee the full payment would work fine. There are some state games events where we'll have to check that since those usually don't have a payout and TDs may enter the players as Trophy Only vs full paid.

I know its early Chuck but I still need a hint. Is the last digit in the upcoming update above a 5 for me? I know you don't know yet but when you do it would be great if you could let me know that. :D

Now its off to work 10 hours in the ARCH building. :confused:

am i gonna be higher than bard after this update.

is that even a question?

Am I going to be higher than Bard??? (not, but I will more than halve the distance, I think.)

Currently 968 to his 1008. I think I will move to 986-7, He'll move closer to 1000 again.

How far over a 1000 will I be in this update. My guess is 6 points over.

How about some early ratings...I mean Cmon...Im in norway, 6 hours ahead...Maybe you could just sneak mine in there...LOL

Please just tell me I finally went UP in the ratings again!!!

*In my Johnny Cash Voice*

I went down down down....

wheres the ratings???? last time he had them 2 days early now its d-day and ....NOTHING/???? LOL help us all out a little bit!!!!!!!

*In my Johnny Cash Voice*

I went down down down....



Don't you mean your Johnny CRASH voice?

happy bday _MTL_.

well, if the 1000 is me, im surprised i went down. what can you do? Just play your best(if the day and course lets ya).

Chuck

Why aren't the European Champs showing up in my ratings?
My Ratings (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=8824 )
The event itself (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6428#Open) has ratings attached, but they don't seem to be applied to the players?

wasn't that event last weekend?

i think the deadline for events to be in for this ratings update was a few weeks ago.

Why aren't the European Champs showing up in my ratings?




If you look under the Name: European Championships you can see the word "Unofficial." That means the PDGA has not received the report from the TD for processing points and ratings. What you see online is the TD posting the results after the event with unofficial ratings, not the official report.

Why aren't the European Champs showing up in my ratings?




If you look under the Name: European Championships you can see the word "Unofficial." That means the PDGA has not received the report from the TD for processing points and ratings. What you see online is the TD posting the results after the event with unofficial ratings, not the official report.



Oh, ok. I thought I'd seen a copy of the results flying around from BDH etc a few weeks back, but it obviously didn't make it in. That sucks...

md, Euro Champs, not Euro Open ;)

cool