I believe every member should have an equal voice. I don't believe that top pro's voices should be of any more value than an 800 rated member.

However, there are only 11 1000+ rated players that post regurlarly on this board. Schwebby, McCoy, Bubis, Gangloff, Hall, Whorley, Franks, Soleng, Heeren, Soleng, and Maiuro. Of them, Schwebby, king of postings, rarely gives opinions. Kind of the Tiger Woods of disc golf--Great player, classy, stays away from meaningful discussions. Other 1000 rated players post very occasionally and rarely have opinions--Johansen, Haney, Barsby?, Tannock, Sprague, Reading, Blakely, Hofmann, and Barr. Forgive me if I left anyone out.

So there's ten 1000+ rated pros that actually give opinions on this board. Ten out of 11349 (at least) current members. Ten out of 32000+ members that have ever been a member.

While their voices should be equal to all other members, I believe 1000-rated pros have a perspective that, in my opinion shouldn't be ignored or discredited . They play with the best, converse with the best, and exchange ideas.

Please, don't be quick to discredit--They're the only window this message board has to see what's happening in the groups at the top of the leader board.

Ten out of 11349 (at least) current members.



Just for the record, this statement is kinda rediculous. This implies that there are either only 10 members in the entire PDGA that give thier opinion or that there are 11,349 1000 rated players.

IWhile their voices should be equal to all other members, I believe 1000-rated pros have a perspective that, in my opinion shouldn't be ignored or discredited . They play with the best, converse with the best, and exchange ideas.





A couple of thoughts on this...

I think I understand what you are saying....everyone should have an opinion however we should really listen to those who have a 1000 rating or higher b/c more than likely they have been playing the longest, toured, etc.

However, I want to add that a rating only gives a measure of talent, not an understanding of the game or where it needs to go.

Ten out of 11349 (at least) current members.



Just for the record, this statement is kinda rediculous. This implies that there are either only 10 members in the entire PDGA that give thier opinion or that there are 11,349 1000 rated players.


Hi MTL, I said only ten give their opinions on this board.

I said ten members give their opinions on this board

I've been misquoted on this board more times than MTL and Rookie Mullet have misspelled 'ridiculous'--which is astronomical.

so you said there are 10 people on this board that give an opinion and theres only 10 1000 rated players that give opinions on this board.

I give my opinion all the time....or do I not count as a member b/c my rating is 978?

Maybe I just misunderstood what you are saying, b/c thats the way I read it.

Please explain. Most of the time I agree with what you say and would love to understand it.

I give my opinion all the time....or do I not count as a member b/c my rating is 978?




I believe every member should have an equal voice. I don't believe that top pro's voices should be of any more value than an 800 rated member.

You're right I need to clarify. I'm definitely not saying that.

Every voice should be heard. More so, every group should be heard. I believe '1000 rated pros' voice should be heard equal to the collective voice of the Masters, Am Ladies Masters, Rec, etc... that are dues paying members.

There are 130+ current, 1000-rated pros. 10 of them post their opinions online. That's roughly 7 percent of pros. 7 percent is a good sampling, just ask a television network. Their opinions should be a good barometer of what the rest of their group thinks.

On the other hand, there's thousands 930-960 Advanced players out there and, roughly, a few dozen post their opinions on this board, which is less than 1% of their group. This sample of opinions might not be as indicative of what their group thinks. Their personal voices aren't any less valuable, just a small sampling of the group their in.

Every group's opinion should be heard equally, like the Senate. I'm just saying don't be as quick to dismiss TRP's opinions, because that's the only info this board gets from these guys, in writing, on this board.

Jeff, you get an A for Reading Comprehension. Now you're due two pats on the buttocks.

There are 130+ current, 1000-rated pros. 10 of them post their opinions online.



makes much more sense than




So there's ten 1000+ rated pros that actually give opinions on this board. Ten out of 11349 (at least) current members.

I'm just saying don't be as quick to dismiss TRP's opinions, because that's the only info this board gets from these guys, in writing, on this board.



Are you related to John Madden? ;)

are you really giving someone [censored] for writing clarity?

Vince,

Just wanted to add something I forgot.

Thanks for clarifying and I got what you are saying now and I understand and agree.

It's amazing how many 1000 rated pros refuse to voice thier opinion b/c it might get them in trouble with thier sponsor or some crap like that.

I appluad you for speaking your mind. I would rather have someone who speaks thier mind and I completely disagree with than someone who shys away from the issues, but agrees with me.

Questions:

1) what is the percentage of 1000 rated pros who post here?

2) what is the percentage of any group of players by ranking, division, or whatever that posts here?

Beyond the fact that the MB represents a fraction of the total membership, it is not unlikely that Pro players are as represented here as any other group.

YAWN!

One of the more important "votes" that is weighed from all members is what they actually do in terms of participation in general, tournaments they choose, the divisions they choose and the scores they shoot. No opinions needed, just the actual behavior and, of course, how that information is interpreted.

While their voices should be equal to all other members, I believe 1000-rated pros have a perspective that, in my opinion shouldn't be ignored or discredited . They play with the best, converse with the best, and exchange ideas.

Please, don't be quick to discredit--They're the only window this message board has to see what's happening in the groups at the top of the leader board.



Without digressing into the dispute about numbers, this point is true. Nor should the perspectives of older players or the untalented be ignored or discredited. I've no idea what it's like to be a 1000-rated player, nor do I suspect many of them know what it's like to be a player who knows he'll never play at that level. I doubt many 19-year-olds understand the perspective of the 50+ crowd.

Such a small percentage of disc golfers post to the MB, especially the contentious sections of it, as to cast doubt on their representing anyone or demonstrating a consensus on anything. But it is a great place for ideas to be thrown around, sometimes kicked around, from all the different perspectives and experience posters bring.

Including the 1000+ rated.

While their voices should be equal to all other members, I believe 1000-rated pros have a perspective that, in my opinion shouldn't be ignored or discredited . They play with the best, converse with the best, and exchange ideas.

Please, don't be quick to discredit--They're the only window this message board has to see what's happening in the groups at the top of the leader board.



Without digressing into the dispute about numbers, this point is true. Nor should the perspectives of older players or the untalented be ignored or discredited. I've no idea what it's like to be a 1000-rated player, nor do I suspect many of them know what it's like to be a player who knows he'll never play at that level. I doubt many 19-year-olds understand the perspective of the 50+ crowd.

Such a small percentage of disc golfers post to the MB, especially the contentious sections of it, as to cast doubt on their representing anyone or demonstrating a consensus on anything. But it is a great place for ideas to be thrown around, sometimes kicked around, from all the different perspectives and experience posters bring.

Including the 1000+ rated.



I'm not sure how valid this point is. It has been disproved numerous times in every sport I can think of. Don't get me wrong, there is a value there, but I doubt that it is any more or less than other values in the sport. What's more, many have gone astray placing too much importance on the value from such sources.