Dates are set:
February 23, 2008 Reed Park (18 holes) Kelly Lane Park (18 holes)
February 24, 2008 Mack Taylor Blue tees (18 holes) Mack Taylor old layout plus extra holes (24 hole layout)
March 1, 2008 Mohawk GTO preview course (27 holes, 11,846 foot, arm killer)
March 2, 2008 Course Dovilio (18 holes) McClure Park (18 holes)
April 5, 2008 Haikey Creek (18 holes) Hunter Park (18 holes)
April 6, 2008 Riverside (18 holes) Chandler Park (18 holes)

ALL are one day "C" tier events
Daily event payouts
Series points based on that day's course performance not total score!
Only 4 rounds count towards series (play 6 throw out the 2 worst or play the 4 you can) :D
NO ACE POT....NO PAID CTP....
AM entry $20.00 per day
PRO entry $30.00 per day
standard PDGA fee structure for non members
standard PDGA event payouts
Web contact will be the TDSA web page.
PMs to sidearm or [email protected]

The die is cast. I shall use this series to return to division supremacy. As it is spoken, so shall it be.

Very cool idea!

Yes, this will be a sweet series for us to have here in Tulsa. Thanks to Martin for heading up this idea.

When I left the admin. meeting where we hashed out the details to this series was one of the best feelings I had leaving a meeting. I felt like we came together as a group and took some ideas that were spread out across the board and got them fosued in and turned out this version of the championship series.

Looking forward to seeing who rises to the top as our city champs.

Yes, this will be a sweet series for us to have here in Tulsa. Thanks to Martin for heading up this idea.

When I left the admin. meeting where we hashed out the details to this series was one of the best feelings I had leaving a meeting. I felt like we came together as a group and took some ideas that were spread out across the board and got them focused in and turned out this version of the championship series.

Looking forward to seeing who rises to the top as our city champs.


You are too modest Jose' this was your dream I just felt the urge to let you see it without having to run it yourself. :)
I look forward to seeing how the rounds shape up since the variety of courses will allow all types of players to be in the hunt. :cool:
Long arm, short arm, all will find a setup that will favor them during the 6 days of play.
Sanction forms will be filled out this weekend and fees mailed after Christmas Day :cool:
We should be on the PDGA board shortly there after.

The die is cast. I shall use this series to return to division supremacy. As it is spoken, so shall it be.



You mean that you're gonna step down from the Real World Champion Supremacy to a mere Divisional Supremacy :confused:

can I have your cape if you're done with it :)

The die is cast. I shall use this series to return to division supremacy. As it is spoken, so shall it be.



You mean that you're gonna step down from the Real World Champion Supremacy to a mere Divisional Supremacy :confused:

can I have your cape if you're done with it :)


The moniker of Real World Champion is permant, so I cant be seperated from the title. ESPN is making a documentary about my career. They thought it might be an interesting sub plot. As for the cape, even though it is an important piece of sports history, maybe I should consider a new owner.

Dates are set:
February 23, 2008 Reed Park (18 holes) Kelly Lane Park (18 holes)
February 24, 2008 Mack Taylor Blue tees (18 holes) Mack Taylor old layout plus extra holes (24 hole layout)
March 1, 2008 Mohawk GTO preview course (27 holes, 11,846 foot, arm killer)
March 2, 2008 Course Dovilio (18 holes) McClure Park (18 holes)
April 5, 2008 Haikey Creek (18 holes) Hunter Park (18 holes)
April 6, 2008 Riverside (18 holes) Chandler Park (18 holes)

ALL are one day "C" tier events
Daily event payouts
Series points based on that day's course performance not total score!
Only 4 rounds count towards series (play 6 throw out the 2 worst or play the 4 you can) :D
NO ACE POT....NO PAID CTP....
AM entry $20.00 per day
PRO entry $30.00 per day
standard PDGA fee structure for non members
standard PDGA event payouts
Web contact will be the TDSA web page.
PMs to sidearm or [email protected]


All Parks that are open will be played on the Scheduled dates adjustments only made if a course is closed and locked! If the course has extra limbs in the way it will just play harder for everyone as we all play the same course at the same times.
Remember, points are based on performance of the field on a given round not total score, the lowest score only sets the mark.

Thanks Martin.

Sanction forms and fees have been mailed. :cool:
Events should be up on the PDGA main board soon. :D

Is that going to be $10 extra per day for non-pdga members or will $10 cover the weekend?

Why does that matter to you?

I know you already know that you paid your new PDGA membership.

I am only guessing, but I think it is $10.00 each day since these are independent 1 day C Tiers...

Why does that matter to you?

I know you already know that you paid your new PDGA membership.



Well I have a large following of "non-members" that will probably want to know and since they are "non-members", they can't log in to ask. :p

Also I thought I heard from someone that it was possible to only pay one tournament sanction fee for the whole weekend so therefore I thought maybe that applied to the $10 "non-member" fee as well.

I think non-members out there (and you Coberlys know who you are) should probably go ahead and pony up the membership fee because it looks like they're going to end up paying one way or another. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Spring Fling events are each one day "C" tier sanctioned events.
Per the new PDGA prices, each event that a non PDGA member plays in, they are required to pay an extra fee of $10.00 to the PDGA.
Fees are no longer valid for more than the event that they are paid into so any non PDGA player that wanted to play in all 6 of the series events would save a lot of money if they would contact Wayne for an affiliate form (if they are TDSA members) or purchase a PDGA membership direct from the PDGA.
We are NOT requiring any player in the series to buy a TDSA membership but we will have those for sale also each event day.
Lastly, as always with any event a non PDGA player may elect to purchase a PDGA membership at sign up and thereby be paid in for the entire year of events.

Now that the PDGA is screwing the non-members for an extra $5 maybe they will be able to afford a private investigator to find out where our "TD of the Year" award is. :mad:

Has anybody checked Thong's backyard yet?? :o;)....j/k

There must be a conspiracy going on.

Update in Spring Fling 2008 and Championship Series:

Sign ups for events on Event days will be:
Feb. 23 8 AM at Reed Park main Parking lot
Feb 24 8 AM Mack Taylor Park
First Rounds for both days start at 9:30 sign ups cut off at 9:00 AM each day.
I will be at some events before 2/23/08 with sign up forms and will take early entry there. On line entry has not been worked out as of yet.

I am having trouble finding the dates for Worlds...Anybody happen to know when it is?

2008 Worlds Website (http://www.2008discgolfworlds.com/)

double diss ;)

Update in Spring Fling 2008 and Championship Series:

Sign ups for events on Event days will be:
Feb. 23 8 AM at Reed Park main Parking lot
Feb 24 8 AM Mack Taylor Park
First Rounds for both days start at 9:30 sign ups cut off at 9:00 AM each day.
I will be at some events before 2/23/08 with sign up forms and will take early entry there. On line entry has not been worked out as of yet.


Bump:
Get the PDGA renewals in quick! avoid the extra $10.00! :eek:

Is there pro,Adv,int and rec or is it just going to be 2 division's. Pro/am? :confused:

Its a full c tier event all divisions will be available!!

Is there pro,Adv,int and rec or is it just going to be 2 division's. Pro/am? :confused:


THE ENTRY IS TWO TIER AM AND PRO /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
ALL divisions are open to play.
NO limit on number of payers in any division SO
that means we are playing ONE player divisions if a player wants to do that. :cool:

I don't think this has been asked yet. What if you only make 3 events? Do you still qualify, or do you have to have 4 events in?

Are you looking to win another bag of sand? ;)

^^^^^^

wishes he could win a bag of sand. :o

Heya BAP, I knew that pic would work as an avatar. Was that at Subway??

^^^^^^

wishes he could win a bag of sand. :o



That's right. Kitty litter is expensive. :(

at least 4 units as it takes 4 to qualify

at least 4 units as it takes 4 to qualify



So if someone comes out and wins 3 tourneys, but can't make it to 4, they can't qualify for the series? If that's true, that will probably be the difference between me coming to 1 or 3.

^^^^^^

wishes he could win a bag of sand. :o



I know why he wants a bag of sand...for the same reason that MY dogs love it. It's apparently a lot of fun to turn it upside down and see how many square feet of the house you can cover with the contents... :mad:

Yeah, that was taken at Subway. That was surreal...

Yeah, that was taken at Subway. That was surreal...



just a little....
freaky.

Martin: Pleased be advised that my insatiable pursuit for titles and victories has brought me ask the following question. Who gets the payoff or bribe to insure that I win this series? ;) I suppose that it is no secret that I have used controversial methods to guarantee winning. Steroids, blood doping, hypnosis and secret brain wave manipulation are just the tip of iceberg. :eek: I will stop at nothing to get this title. :eek: I am addicted to fame and golf titles and it has become ever more monumental to feed the machine. Dave, Brad and Wayne et al, please understand that if it werent for my legacy, I would have never started using controversial means to secure victories in order elevate my place in sports history. REST YOUR EYES IN SHADES OF GREEN :D DOC :D

Doc, give me a call I'll give you my mailing address. :D

Are you looking to win another bag of sand? ;)



AS STATED IN THE ON LINE FLYER:http://tulsadiscsports.org/2008springflingflyer.html
4 DAYS TO PLAY IN THE SERIES.
The series is designed to test players over a range of courses and to cherry pick day one and two and six from the series would let a player only play short courses. Or the other way if a player has lots of power and no fineness to play only day 3, 4, and 5 skipping the short course days.
The series must test skills on a several types of courses to truly be a championship and that is why you must play at lest 4 of the 6 dates.
If this causes a problem we (the TDSA board) are sorry but there is a fairness issue that could only be solved by requiring 4 of 6 days of play for the series.
Players are welcome to play all 6 and pitch out the worst two days of points, and everyone should still come out to the days that you can because each day is still a separate stand alone "C" tier event with points for worlds being awarded by the PDGA.

Three sounds better, just my 2 cents.

Three sounds better, just my 2 cents.


6 sounded best but the board said 4

How about 3 and a half? :D

OK,
three days plus the 27 hole GTO layout

I have heard of this GTO layout thing before...It's blackhawk on roids, right?

Ha!

Indeed...

Shouldn't be that bad...

Are you looking to win another bag of sand? ;)



AS STATED IN THE ON LINE FLYER:http://tulsadiscsports.org/2008springflingflyer.html
4 DAYS TO PLAY IN THE SERIES.
The series is designed to test players over a range of courses and to cherry pick day one and two and six from the series would let a player only play short courses. Or the other way if a player has lots of power and no fineness to play only day 3, 4, and 5 skipping the short course days.
The series must test skills on a several types of courses to truly be a championship and that is why you must play at lest 4 of the 6 dates.
If this causes a problem we (the TDSA board) are sorry but there is a fairness issue that could only be solved by requiring 4 of 6 days of play for the series.
Players are welcome to play all 6 and pitch out the worst two days of points, and everyone should still come out to the days that you can because each day is still a separate stand alone "C" tier event with points for worlds being awarded by the PDGA.



I don't know what your scoring method is, but it seems like there could be a penalty other than disqualification for only playing 3 events. I'm pretty sure I won't be able to do 4, so it sounds like I'll probably only do 1, or maybe 2.

I've got a lot of things to spend my political capital on other than an entire Sunday at Mack Taylor or Riverside.

I have heard of this GTO layout thing before...It's blackhawk on roids, right?


Black hawk 18 plus Red hawk holes 9 through17 and Red hawk 17 tee to 18 basket, for a total of 27 holes.
Just 11,846 feet total throwing length.

I have heard of this GTO layout thing before...It's blackhawk on roids, right?


Black hawk 18 plus Red hawk holes 9 through17 and Red hawk 17 tee to 18 basket, for a total of 27 holes.
Just 11,846 feet total throwing length.

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Is that all? ;)

I don't know what your scoring method is, but it seems like there could be a penalty other than disqualification for only playing 3 events. I'm pretty sure I won't be able to do 4, so it sounds like I'll probably only do 1, or maybe 2.

I've got a lot of things to spend my political capital on other than an entire Sunday at Mack Taylor or Riverside.



Yup, you have to make at least 4 to qualify for a shot at a divisional championship or the big enchilada....

Are you looking to win another bag of sand? ;)



AS STATED IN THE ON LINE FLYER:http://tulsadiscsports.org/2008springflingflyer.html
4 DAYS TO PLAY IN THE SERIES.
The series is designed to test players over a range of courses and to cherry pick day one and two and six from the series would let a player only play short courses. Or the other way if a player has lots of power and no fineness to play only day 3, 4, and 5 skipping the short course days.
The series must test skills on a several types of courses to truly be a championship and that is why you must play at lest 4 of the 6 dates.
If this causes a problem we (the TDSA board) are sorry but there is a fairness issue that could only be solved by requiring 4 of 6 days of play for the series.
Players are welcome to play all 6 and pitch out the worst two days of points, and everyone should still come out to the days that you can because each day is still a separate stand alone "C" tier event with points for worlds being awarded by the PDGA.



I don't know what your scoring method is, but it seems like there could be a penalty other than disqualification for only playing 3 events. I'm pretty sure I won't be able to do 4, so it sounds like I'll probably only do 1, or maybe 2.

I've got a lot of things to spend my political capital on other than an entire Sunday at Mack Taylor or Riverside.



Oh well we could assign the points for a 999 but since that would be zero on the calculation table there is a real good chance that ANYBODY who plays in 4 would beat somebody that only played in three.

Red 17 tee to 18 basket sounds like a solid par 4 hole.

The Point of a Championship series is to play all of the local courses. If we just wanted a big course champion we would only play Haikey, Dovilio, and the GTO layout. :(
If we wanted to make it a short arm championship (for the likes of me :D) we would only play Reed, Chandler, Mack Taylor (old course), and Riverside. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

BUT!
This is a series to find a champion of the local area courses, and the divisional champions of the same local area courses.

NEXT YEAR:
Some one else with better ideas can put it all together and run it, but for this year it is as it is. :cool:

Why would you not want to run it next year?
Surely it can't be that much work? :o:D

Maybe I'm offbase here. Admittedly, I don't know much about your scoring system.

So...what is your scoring system?

Maybe I'm off base here. Admittedly, I don't know much about your scoring system.

So...what is your scoring system?


Rounds are rated from best round of the field being 1000 points and each stroke above that being 10 points less.
Example:
Best round score is 50, that would be worth 1000 points
next best score was 52 that would be 980 points
further down a score of 55 would be 950 still further down a score of 61 would be 890 (11 strokes @ 10 each) and so on.

Is it the best score of the field or is it the best score within the individual divisions?

I plan on playing in this event. I feel like anybody not playing Kelly Lane Park has a distinct advantage. Is there anyway to make it a mando course. Just one man's opinion.

How do you figure they have an advantage by not playing it when its only one of the four courses needed for your overall total?

I plan on playing in this event. I feel like anybody not playing Kelly Lane Park has a distinct advantage. Is there anyway to make it a mando course. Just one man's opinion.



Then don't play it... :o:D

Maybe I'm off base here. Admittedly, I don't know much about your scoring system.

So...what is your scoring system?


Rounds are rated from best round of the field being 1000 points and each stroke above that being 10 points less.
Example:
Best round score is 50, that would be worth 1000 points
next best score was 52 that would be 980 points
further down a score of 55 would be 950 still further down a score of 61 would be 890 (11 strokes @ 10 each) and so on.



Sounds like a good system. It's too bad I probably won't be able to make 4 events.

Just call her supervisor and thell them she needs another couple of shifts. :D

If only it were that simple...

Maybe I'm off base here. Admittedly, I don't know much about your scoring system.

So...what is your scoring system?


Rounds are rated from best round of the field being 1000 points and each stroke above that being 10 points less.
Example:
Best round score is 50, that would be worth 1000 points
next best score was 52 that would be 980 points
further down a score of 55 would be 950 still further down a score of 61 would be 890 (11 strokes @ 10 each) and so on.



Sounds like a good system. It's too bad I probably won't be able to make 4 events.



Same here.

Martin: Pleased be advised that my insatiable pursuit for titles and victories has brought me ask the following question. Who gets the payoff or bribe to insure that I win this series? ;) I suppose that it is no secret that I have used controversial methods to guarantee winning. Steroids, blood doping, hypnosis and secret brain wave manipulation are just the tip of iceberg. :eek: I will stop at nothing to get this title. :eek: I am addicted to fame and golf titles and it has become ever more monumental to feed the machine. Dave, Brad and Wayne et al, please understand that if it werent for my legacy, I would have never started using controversial means to secure victories in order elevate my place in sports history. REST YOUR EYES IN SHADES OF GREEN :D DOC :D



Well I am here to tell you that I have reached of another level "pursuit of victory with no limits". I took all of my 3 year old grandsons birthday presents back and got a cash refund so I can buy new playing stock for this series. :eek: :eek: I want every advatage I can get. Besides I dont think my grandson will even remember his 3rd birthday. Fame has a price and I dont think my grandson will mind paying for part of it for me. :eek:
REST YOUR EYES IN SHADES OF GREEN :DDoc :D

doc , these shades of green are now getting clouded with shades of red and blue etc

ANSWER TO THE DOG! :D

Points are calculated on the entire field scores. :)
BUT!
In addition to the over all champion there are going to be divisional championships. :cool:

ONE player will win the title of Champion of the series, :eek:
BUT
Many will win the divisional championship titles.
If we have 20 divisions then there will be ONE big winner and 20 divisional winners /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

ONE player will win the title of Champion of the series, :eek:
BUT
Many will win the divisional championship titles.
If we have 20 divisions then there will be ONE big winner and 20 divisional winners /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Nice work, Martin...looking forward to it.

So the SERIES CHAMPION will come out of the open division right? If there is only ONE champion he/she should be an open player. Is this correct? Would it really make sense to give the SERIES CHAMPION to a Rec player?

I was thinking the same thing MC.

To me, as long as we all play the SAME tees, then the series champ could be anyone from any division.

So really the only type of player who can beat an open players score would be a good advanced or advanced master. Otherwise I don't see a player from any other division beating a pro/pro master.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict Aaron Swygert as the overall champ :D

Due to the nature of the points; being based on how the field shoots each round, taking into account weather, course diversity and physical condition of the players it is possible that a non-professional player could win the overall title. :cool:
You know we do have a few players that bring a whole sand box with them when they play. :DBut I assume that if a recreational player wins the overall title he / she will never be allowed to play in the lower divisions again for a long time. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

So really the only type of player who can beat an open players score would be a good advanced or advanced master. Otherwise I don't see a player from any other division beating a pro/pro master.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict Aaron Swygert as the overall champ :D



Please don't use my name here...I am already getting flooded with Team Green Country responses....And I am getting too much spam :o:eek: :D :cool::) :p

You know we do have a few players that bring a whole sand box with them when they play. :D



The only type of player with the potential to win overall would be an advanced player. I'll eat donkey pooh if a player below the advanced division beats the best overall pro player.

I'll eat donkey pooh if a player below the advanced division beats the best overall pro player.




I think I hurt my back ... can I move down? ;)

I'm sure Dan will give up his pooh!


Oh wait you said Donkey Pooh Not DONKEY,s Pooh

Sorry :D;)

doc , these shades of green are now getting clouded with shades of red and blue etc


Brad: I wouldnt say that anything is getting clouded. I call it focus and determination. :confused: I realize that people think that bribes, payoffs or controversial tatics are wrong. I cant be held back by decency and fair play. :eek: :eek: Its "the pursuit of victory with no limits". :eek: :eek: I am confident that my aggressive outlook will bring me success. :DDoc :DREST YOUR EYES IN SHADES OF GREEN :D

prediction: Doc "Doom" Morton" aka "The REAL World Champion" wins this thing by 78 strokes or the ratings equivalent :DREST YOUR EYES IN THE SHADE OF A CHAMPION :D

prediction: Doc "Doom" Morton" aka "The REAL World Champion" wins this thing by 78 strokes :DREST YOUR EYES IN THE SHADE OF A CHAMPION :D



Thank you for your vote of confidence :DDoc :D

prediction: Doc "Doom" Morton" aka "The REAL World Champion" wins this thing by 78 strokes :DREST YOUR EYES IN THE SHADE OF A CHAMPION :D



Thank you for your vote of confidence :DDoc :D


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... which is why this guy is on board to staff The G.T.O. NT Event in mid-May ... (Doc's gotta lotta class , ay?) ... :cool:

Dates are set:
February 23, 2008 Reed Park 8 AM SIGN UP (18 holes) / PM Kelly Lane Park (18 holes)
February 24, 2008 8 AM SIGN UP Mack Taylor Blue tees (18 holes) Mack Taylor old layout plus extra holes (24 hole layout)
March 1, 2008 Mohawk GTO preview course 8 AM SIGN UP(27 holes, 11,846 foot, arm killer)
March 2, 2008 8 AM SIGN UP McClure Park (18 holes) / PM
Course Dovilio (18 holes) April 5, 2008 Haikey Creek 8 AM SIGN UP(18 holes) / PM Hunter Park (18 holes)
April 6, 2008 Riverside 8 AM SIGN UP (18 holes) / PM Chandler Park (18 holes)

ALL are one day "C" tier events
Daily event payouts
Series points based on that day's course performance not total score!
Only 4 days of rounds count towards series (play 6 throw out the 2 worst or play the 4 you can) :D
NO ACE POT....NO PAID CTP....
AM entry $20.00 per day
PRO entry $30.00 per day
standard PDGA fee structure for non members
standard PDGA event payouts
Web contact will be the TDSA web page.
PMs to sidearm or [email protected]


All Parks that are open will be played on the Scheduled dates adjustments only made if a course is closed and locked! If the course has extra limbs in the way it will just play harder for everyone as we all play the same course at the same times.
Remember, points are based on performance of the field on a given round not total score, the lowest score only sets the mark.



Long range weather forecast for 2/23 and 2/24 are excellent come early to get signed in please since online PDGA pre-reg did not happen

What happened with the PDGA reg?

What happened with the PDGA reg?


a very good question, I said we wanted it when we turned in the sanction forms and filled out their email question sheet about it over a week ago.

For those of us who don't know, what are Reed and Kelly Lane like?

Reed: Pitch n' putt 9 hole course with trees.

Kelly Lane: 9 hole course, medium length more open with some water hazards.

Both are 9 hole courses.

Reed has mostly short holes with a lot of trees. Be prepared for a wet/muddy round.

Kelly Lane has longer holes with 3 involving water. I consider it to be challenging mostly because of the psychological effect of the water holes. Even the shortest hole, #3, has a creek behind it so if you over throw, it can be trouble.

So, the format is Reed twice (for 18 holes), then Kelly Lane twice (for 18 holes)? Or are there going to be 9 temp holes for each course?
Thanks.

where is Kelly Lane?

sapulpa
southeast corner of main and mission back by the trailer park
you have to go south on main or hwy97 from mission go over the bridge and look for the sign Kellylane park you will turn left and follow the road all the way back!!!

sapulpa
southeast corner of main and mission back by the trailer park
you have to go south on main or hwy97 from mission go over the bridge and look for the sign Kellylane park you will turn left and follow the road all the way back!!!



thanks for the directions. i think i found the parking lot on google earth.
ive lived here about a year and half now and still havent played all the courses that are w/in 20-30 minutes.
now that's a :cool:problem to have.

bump

So, the format is Reed twice (for 18 holes), then Kelly Lane twice (for 18 holes)? Or are there going to be 9 temp holes for each course?
Thanks.

I seriously doubt there will be any temp holes. Martin Norris would be the man to ask. Colin you can PM him if you want, his username is sidearm.

... no Mack Taylor on Sunday ... situation couldn't be helped ...
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.
... More Info. Soon ...

... nice and quick job on the website notice , Martin ... looks good ... www.tulsadiscsports.org (http://www.tulsadiscsports.org) ...

... and your favorite Mack-TD , David Frazier (the mailman) is going to hang out at Mack sunday morning to re-route any wayward-players non-informed ... what a nice guy , ay ? ...

That should be choice! :D

Fraizer: "Uh they had to move the location to Kelly Lane..........Kelly Lane?, yea, its just back down the road a little bit to Saupulpa............You tee In 20 Minutes?.........Yea you should make it."

NOT! :o:D

Sorry!
Due to the Tulsa County Parks decision to keep Mack Taylor closed to Play the following changes have been made to the weekend schedule for Spring Fling #1 and Spring Fling #2.
Spring Fling #1 will begin at Reed Park as scheduled but will be expanded to 36 holes and will become an all day event. There are no extra holes to be played just the original 9 played 4 times around.
Spring Fling #2 will be at Kelly Lane park in Sapulpa and it too will be expanded to 36 holes ( 4 times around the 9 hole layout) no extra holes (temporary) will be in play.

I wasn't complaing, just noting that its not like a course change from McClure to Dovillio or McClure to Mohawk.
I know changes had to be made, stuff happens.

Its Mac Taylor to Kelly Lane, I just hope no one shows up close to start time at the wrong course. Its near 30 miles and 30 minutes to the other course.

To Kelly Lane Park :
Take I-44 West towards Oklahoma City. (past 49th West Ave. exit) Stay in left-lane before Turnpike Entrance. You�re now on Hwy 66 for about 6 miles which will turn into Mission Street.
Turn Right on Taft Ave.(Hwy 117). Drive about 1 mile to signal-light at Main Street.
Stay in left-lane and watch for Signs pointing into neighborhood for Kelly Lane Park.
If you are at Mack Taylor Park get back to I-75 and go to Tulsa take I-244 to I-44 and folow the above directions.

Thats a bummer!! I drove by the "smack" yesterday; I was really looking foward to playing there will the mulch piles everywhere.
:eek:
It's all those blasted hangers :mad:

I am guessing that you will still be playing Mack...just at a later date??

That is Martin's decision but the rest of the schedule is already set...

That's a bummer!! I drove by the "smack" yesterday; I was really looking forward to playing there will the mulch piles everywhere.
:eek:
It's all those blasted hangers :mad:

I am guessing that you will still be playing Mack...just at a later date??


Best we can hope for on Mack is to arrange another one day "C" tier later in the year. Maybe a Mack Classic in the height of summer when all of the shade will really come into welcome play.
Sorry guys but the schedule was arranged to take drive time into account for these one day events and since Mack is where it is and was scheduled for an all day stay we will not be able to include it into the series this year, still we do have 9 excellent courses to find our Champions on!

... m-a-y-b-e ... (for later in the season) ... a Mack-day followed by a Lodge-day ... ( or verse-vicey ) ... coupla C-tier 1-dayers ... possible Cool ... :cool:

Are there going to be 2 flights this weekend, or are we going to have 90 people playing 9 holes with 9 ghost cards?

Good question.


Wayne, you want to field this one?

I am not sure he has considered that aspect...

I am all for being able to play the thing 4 times through, go to Kelly lane, do the same thing....

...go home...

Sheit, I could do that in one day! :D(Not really, not with the courses full of other players...)

Not unless I wanted to [censored] off all of Tulsa in one fail swoop and get it over with.... :eek:

But as to my point...

No reason you could not run the two parks at the same time...then just file it as two one days...right? :confused:

Unless the players shot that down, which they should not want to since they are not really in direct competition...

As Conners has pointed out before, it would be very very very surprising if someone outside of flight A (Pro and Advanced) were to win...

Update in Spring Fling 2008 and Championship Series:

Sign ups for events on Event days will be:
Feb. 23 8 AM at Reed Park main Parking lot
Feb 24 8 AM <font color="red"> Kelly Lane South Parking Lot <font color="black">
First Rounds for both days start at 9:30 sign ups cut off at 9:00 AM each day.



Is the above information correct?
Martin ?
D.P. :D

Tee off for Sunday has been pushed to 10:00 in case anyone shows up at Mack Taylor... Per the TDSA site...

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Twoputt/OMonkeyFootball.jpg

Nice Wise...

Well put. But I think it will be fine.

And Patterson, I did receive that same information you quoted and am sure that it is the most up to date...

Thanks
D.P. :D

:D I am pleased, cuz now I may play at my home course, :Dsee some of ya Sunday. :cool:

Are there going to be 2 flights this weekend, or are we going to have 90 people playing 9 holes with 9 ghost cards?

Are there going to be 2 flights this weekend, or are we going to have 90 people playing 9 holes with 9 ghost cards?




Plan on being at the park on time if there are over our comfort zone then adjustments may happen, Reed is a short park.
Don't worry, be happy, enjoy the weekend. this is disc golf and we all started as herd golfers at one time or another and anything we do will not be that. :D

Mooooooo!!!!! ;)....Just make sure you put me in the herd before Twoputt so I can drop my cowpies in his landing zones. :)

Just think plenty of time to relax between shots and no problems with players that some times have speed of play, issues. Look on the bright side this is a standard format series no second chance shots and no alternating arm behind the back and between the leg shots (unless you just want to)

Hey dog, I'll teach you how to catch that between the legs shot. :o

Dave. I left my sample in the bottle of hair gel I gave you for Christmas. It should have lasted longer than two months unless you've been using it as facial cream again.

Guess that refers to shine-Ola and the other stuff?

Have you not looked in a mirror lately........?

They don't make hair gel in that large of a bottle. :D

Kyle Wilkes is Paid and in for Saturday and Sunday as Open Pro, :cool:
Says he has more coming up from OKC so do not let a Tulsa Championship title(s) run off to OKC land :orepresent and win one for your selves. :D

SPRING FLING EVE BABY!!! :cool:

Git-it-on!

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/dominatrixbabydoll/mxc4.jpg

sorry I couldn't make this one i am on the downside of the flu !diddn't think it would be wise playing in the rain

Good luck everyone and get those scores up as soon as you can :D:(

Well, how soon a quest for City champion can end...!

Wow...

I had not played Reed in a looong time, and from what I remember I didn't do that well then...

This was really Reed with Teeth, as the brush piles definitely played a factor.

Needless to say, I played hella poor...

Geez...

See you at Kelly Lane tomorrow! :cool:

What a sport, take a beating, keep coming back for more...

Except tomorrow is going to put a BIG dent in a lot of peoples bags...

Kelly Lane is a disc eater deluxe! :(

Right Penny? :D:( ;)

Unfortunately, yes.

Don't worry red you can drop the 2 worst rounds and still have a chance at the city championship .I will see everyone today!!!
GL all

What a blast at Kelly Lane!

Beautiful day, started cold in the morning and then warmed up to teeshirt weather by the second round.

Course was playing great...

Keep an eye out, I bet Hutch will be diving out there for awhile! :D


Geez another next weekend, it is like I am out on tour without leaving town!!! That is pretty neat...:cool:

A great day it was..

1 down. 4 more 'Winz' to go.. :D

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Red, did you do the right thing and stroke yourself on Saturday for the illegal practice throw you threw? I also heard that you picked up your putter and putted without placing a mini down first. :confused:

Thanks for the scores Martin and good job on the whole weekend. :cool:

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Scores are posted where?

Look under PDGA Tour results Nancy.

You mean this link?

http://www.pdga.com/schedule/event.php?TournID=7554

Wow!!!!.....Did you do that all by yourself???? :o

Did you click the link. It doesn't show any scores when I do.

Ahh, wrong link.

Hey buddy, you upped your rating on Saturday, you averaged 842.5 for the day, thats 13 points better than your average. :D

Uh oh. :(.....I better start hitting more trees to avoid going over that 850 mark. :confused:

Red, did you do the right thing and stroke yourself on Saturday for the illegal practice throw you threw? I also heard that you picked up your putter and putted without placing a mini down first. :confused:



Lets get it straight......... He threw an extra shot at the building on hole 9. Then on hole 3, he threw his mini at the basket in anger, then picked up his putter and placed in the basket with out marking it.

Extra shot at buliding:
B. Practice Throws. A player who throws a practice throw or an extra throw with any disc any time after the start of his or her round and prior to his or her finishing the last hole of the round (except for throws that must be re-thrown in accordance with the rules, provisional throws made pursuant to 803.01 C and 803.01 D (3), or throws during a suspension or postponement of play) shall receive one penalty throw. The practice throw or extra throw must be observed by any two players or an official. It was witness by the entire card.

Not marking his putt:
G. A player shall receive a warning for the first violation of a marking rule if observed by two or more players of the group or an official. One penalty throw shall be assessed for each subsequent violation of any marking rule during the round if observed by two or more players of the group or an official.

Throwing his mini in anger:
A. A player shall be disqualified by the director for meeting any of the necessary conditions of disqualification as set forth in the rules, or for any of the following:
(1) Unsportsmanlike conduct, such as; loud cursing, throwing things in anger (other than discs in play), or overt rudeness to anyone present



Sot it would appear that he should have received one stroke for the practice throw, one warning for failure to mark his disc and a warning or disqualification for thowing his mini in anger. :D

To top it all, he is a TD and certified official. :o :D

I think he needs to take the test again. :D
A. To be eligible to serve as an official, an individual must be a current PDGA member and have demonstrated knowledge of the rules by passing the PDGA Official�s Exam. Upon significant changes to the Rules of Play, the PDGA Board of Directors may require officials to pass an updated Official�s Exam to retain certification as an official

Furdog and Twoputt vs Andrew..

Do you guys need another hobby????

Uh no.... I think we're okay for now. :D:D

Yeah it looks like he's becoming the John McEnroe of DG.

I guess the "n" in "TnT" stands for naughty. ;)

This must be the reason he smashes his guitar after every band practice. :D

Does this mean extra shots and temper tantrums are going to be allowed at the GCD? :)....If so I'm in!!!! :cool:

No violations were reported to the event staff during the event or during the wrap up, Yes there are rules in sanctioned events but TDs can not be everywhere at once so without a report being filed with the TD or his / her staff it is difficult after the fact to make any adjustment to the event results.

The group should have called the player on it and didn't.

Regardless of that fact, the game of disc golf requires some level of integrity from the players. If a player knows that he has violated a rule of play, he should call himself on the infraction. :o

But players learn from their mistakes, I mean its not like we are TD's, Certified Officials or even Eagle Scouts.
Are we? :o:D

Yeah. It's kind of like noticing after everyone else but your on the card tee'd off the wrong pad. Should you say something thing about it or should you just keep quiet and not make waves. ;)

Or could it be the old "Do as I say, don't do as I do".

If I was an official I would have called it on myself. I'm still waiting for my test to show up in the mail, along with my card and my MAGAZINE!!!! :(

Didn't we sign up the same evening?
I got all my stuff weeks ago.

You may want to give them a call. ;)

Martin,
Are you going to do shuffled cards for all of the first rounds, like you did this weekend?

Oh, and will you have a list of the points earned for the series?

I hope so, I liked my grouping. You on the other hand may have had someone with "Issues in their head".
:D

I thought there wasn't supposed to be "school" on the weekends :mad:;) :o

However, I did have a 1000 rated round while going to school :D

Sunds like you have graduated from "Q" School with a Tour Degree. :D

Sunds like you have graduated from "Q" School with a Tour Degree. :D





:) :D :D

Yeah it looks like he's becoming the John McEnroe of DG.

I guess the "n" in "TnT" stands for naughty. ;)

This must be the reason he smashes his guitar after every band practice. :D

Does this mean extra shots and temper tantrums are going to be allowed at the GCD? :)....If so I'm in!!!! :cool:





Come on OPIE! REPLY! :D
http://thumb2.webshots.net/t/53/453/0/95/14/2390095140061967262VIroET_th.jpg

I think he's going to "lawyer up" and take the fifth. ;)

Martin,
Are you going to do shuffled cards for all of the first rounds, like you did this weekend?

Oh, and will you have a list of the points earned for the series?




Martin/Jose??

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ty for posting the scores..but there is a correction that needs to be made.. :eek:
in the spring fling event 1 i won the advanced not Adam i shot a 48 the first 18 not a 50..in all actuality i really shot a 46 but misadded my scorecard so with the +2 i was at 48..

also was there some kind of bag tag i was sposed to get for winning..i noticed at the second event the advanced winner got one :confused:

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Martin,
Thanks for posting the scores so quickly.
Hoped all the ams appreciate the chances for worlds points.
Thanks to all that helped and will help run these.
Mohawk 27 holes....
Priceless... :D
D.P.

Thanks to all of the players who came and braved the weather this past weekend.
More thanks than I can express to all of the TDSA board members who came and helped and made things work.
Special thinks to Mr. Duff who eliminated our energy crisis Sunday at Kelly Lane.
Special thanks to Wayne Forest for making things work and for loaning us the GTO course for this Saturday along with MC and CW.
Sign ups on Saturday 8 AM at Mohawk Park!
Sign ups on Sunday 8 AM McClure Park!

Are you going to update the overall points for each division in the series before next weekend?

Also, the advanced champion for the 1st tourny was Don Cook not Adam Hunt. The scores were inputted wrong, just want to make sure Don gets credit for his first place win.

What a fun weekend.
See you Saturday.

Don Cook shot a 48 the first round at Reed, not a 50... Actually he shot a 46 and was penalized 2 strokes for his scorecard being marked wrong... So his total score was 99. Although, I like the way my name looks in first place, Don actually won.

Adam

So, what did he mark on his score card?

He shot a 46, and I added his card wrong. And he got stroked 2 strokes for my mistake. I sure am glad he won, or I would have felt terrible.

hmmm, That is why I always check my scores myself. I am guessing that he didn't... :eek:

hmmm, That is why I always check my scores myself. I am guessing that he didn't... :eek:



correct

Looking for a partner for GCD. Either advanced or mixed is cool w/ me. Let me know @ [email protected] thanks and look forward to seeing everybodyat the spring fling this weekend. Bryan Hinds

EEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

There has been some confusion :confused: about the upcoming round Saturday at Mohawk Park and what we are playing.
Here is the course layout for ALL players:
Black Hawk 1 through 18 AND Red Hawk 9 through 16, With a special NEW hole of Red 17 tee to Red 18 basket.
This is a 27 hole 11,800+ foot layout! :eek:

THERE IS NO DIVISION PLAYING WHITE !
Since the point series is for over all as well as division, any player not playing the same layout would be at an advantage and skew the points totals.

Thank yous to all who have asked, I hope that this makes things a bit clearer.

Will there be an update on the Overall Leader, and Division Leaders, before next Saturday?

POINT SERIES CALCULATIONS ARE UNDERWAY

once finalized they will be published some how, on line details of point series standings was not a detail that was worked out in advance and will be up to computer wizards to arrange.

Will the city do any clearing on RedHawk before saturday?
At this point it hasn't been touched.
Just curious. :confused:
D.P.

The worst seems to be 11 on Red Hawk. I chain sawed some of the branches on the ground and drug some off to the side but it still needs more cleared. There is also one tree in the middle of the fairway that probably needs to come down. It didn't look broken but it is bent way over at a 90 degree angle. If anyone coming through there can help drag some more branches off to the woods or to the piles it would help...
Congrats DEVOn on your first PDGA win :D

What time will we be teeing off on Saturday. Is it 10 am like last weekend. I would like to know so I can plan accordingly, in the drive time from OKC.

And I know it is going to be a long round, so I want to be sure to have enough food in my belly for the 3+ hour round.



Thanks

What time will we be teeing off on Saturday. Is it 10 am like last weekend. I would like to know so I can plan accordingly, in the drive time from OKC. ... even though the "mini-schedule" shows 9:30am ; I think we're looking more like 10:00 am ... ay , Martini ? ...

And I know it is going to be a long round, so I want to be sure to have enough food in my belly for the 3+ hour round. ... smart man ... :D



Thanks

Basket # 14 on blackhawk needs help as well.
The Top assembly needs replaced. :(
Do we have any spare tops ???
Not sure what happened to it...
D.P.

A tree fell on that one Dale...

I saw it days after the fabled ice storm (hole 14 was one of the holes that had the most debris in the fairway) the welds are all broken so it is going to take some work...

At least it would take me some work, I bet BVA could spot weld that puppy back together!

But I own (Merry Christmas) a Discatcher Pro, I guess I have never looked closely, but I am sure the top on my potable discatcher would fit the permanent ones...right?

The problem with a new top assembly is the old one was welded on to prevent theft. It will have to be repaired in place with a portable welder, grinder some primer and new yellow paint.

For tomorrow, we may have to have a temp basket if we can't get it fixed today. ;)

Brad may be able to use a grinder to remove to top.
That may be the easier than repair in place.
I will give him a call.
D.P. :D

I talked to Brad HOI,
He has a plan, If all goes well.
It will be fixed today. :cool:
Thanks Brad.
D.P. :D

I think we should plan on a temp basket just to the right of the current placement.

Do you have one in mind ???
D.P. :D

Back up Temp has been called for should it be needed and Wayne has things in hand Round start time will be after 10 AM
BUT!!
Sign ups will close at 9:45 because this round will not be mixed cards do to no afternoon shuffle.

I think I want to change divisions and go back to &lt;850 novice. :(

What time will we be teeing off on Saturday. Is it 10 am like last weekend. I would like to know so I can plan accordingly, in the drive time from OKC. ... even though the "mini-schedule" shows 9:30am ; I think we're looking more like 10:00 am ... ay , Martini ? ... .
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... indeed ... last word from Martin is tee-time "approx." 10:30-ish ... he wants to set up most Players into their respective Divisions and talent-levels for their competition ... ... ( that may send me to the "PinkHawk Course" ... :D
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And I know it is going to be a long round, so I want to be sure to have enough food in my belly for the 3+ hour round. ... smart man ... :D



Thanks

I cant remember that well how to get to blackhawk from OKC.

I cant remember that well how to get to blackhawk from OKC.



from i-44 turner tpk take 244 to sheridan, left turn, go till it dead ends, turn right, entrance is 1/4 mile on the left. QT is at 244 and sheridan if you need a pit stop

When you get off the Turner Turnpike you will stay headed north for about 3/4 of a mile. The the road Y's, stay left, don't take 44 east. Then stay headed north past downtown and you will see 244 east.

What time is everything kicking off Sunday? I saw 8 somewhere, but is that the end of signups, player's meeting, or tee? There are a few Arkies planning on coming over that morning.

Ya'll Arkies Represent :cool:

I cant remember that well how to get to blackhawk from OKC.



from i-44 turner tpk take 244 to sheridan, left turn, go till it dead ends, turn right, entrance is 1/4 mile on the left. QT is at 244 and sheridan if you need a pit stop




I can't believe that youtold Pee Wee how to get there. :confused:

no habla ingles senor regier :D

Are the fairways going to be clean of the piles of debree by the time GTO comes around?

I cant remember that well how to get to blackhawk from OKC.



from i-44 turner tpk take 244 to sheridan, left turn, go till it dead ends, turn right, entrance is 1/4 mile on the left. QT is at 244 and sheridan if you need a pit stop




I can't believe that youtold Pee Wee how to get there. :confused:





Ha Ha HaHa.. :D

Wow...direct hit! Can you imagine what the Mohawk courses looked like two months ago!?!? You have no idea! GTO is still almost three months away, and I'm sure TDSA will do everything possible to make sure the courses are great!

I would like to thank you guys for everything you've done so far to clean up the fairways! I know some of you have been working your butts off out there! THANKS! :cool:

Scores are up!
Next event Sunday 03/02/2008 Spring Fling #4
Sign up at McClure Park 8:00 AM

Amazing Martin! Thanks for getting the scores posted soooo quickly! See ya tomorrow!

Next event Sunday 03/02/2008 Spring Fling #4
Sign up at McClure Park 8:00 AM

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Now do we have to be sign up by 8 or are u just going to be out there at 8 for sign ups?

Sign ups start at 8am. I'm pretty sure Wayne mentioned today that the player's meeting will start right around 9.

Pee Wee, go back and get your GED so you'll know how to read.

SO how did it go today?

Will scores be posted tonight?

I know us Arkies had a good time, courses looked great and the wind was fierce. Thanks TD's and everyone who was involved.

WOW

What a weekend!! Made for some intense golf... :eek:

I cant believe no one has posted anything about the Sunday.

How did it go? Who won?

Will we see scores today?

Ray Walker won Open. :D

Other than that WIND WIND and more WIND! :o

I was still thinking about Blackhawk...

Had fun playing...and watching the three guys who were actually competing on the lead card in adv.

Big props to fellow Sand Springs Sandite Greg Winsworth recorded par on holes 1 2 &amp; 3 in the howling wind!!!

Wow.

Good times had by all.....

Except for the three guys tied for second in open. :D:o:o:D

Before the Dovillio round, I figured that even or anywhere around even would be a pretty solid round. That wind.... :eek:...I don't think I have played in wind like that...ever!!

Scores up later today, Work happened last night sorry

And you played it very well, I might add. Nice job. ;)

The best part of my weekend? No lost plastic and two came home from practice rounds. :D

thanks Treat.

laying up on 17 and 18 would have been nice, eh? ;)

I cant believe no one has posted anything about the Sunday.

How did it go? Who won?

Will we see scores today?




I heard that Ray Walker won open and then donated all of his winnings back to the club...What a class act. :cool:

I thought Ray played Masters?

Only for the first round. :o:D:D:D

So did he... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

How can you play Masters for just the 1st round?

Im confused.

You might need to get Martin to answer that one Schwake. ;)

He really didn't

But you had to be there.
:D



Lets just wait for the results to get posted showing Ray won Open.

Good win RAY! Old men Rule! :D

I talked to Wilkes this morning, and he said he wanted to move to advaced for Sunday's 2cd round, since his rating will let him. He also asked me if he could move to Adv. for the series, and give back the cash he won. He siad he was going to sell all his winings/plastic and become Hutch the 2cd. LOL

Just kidding, but I guess he could, since they let other people.

Well you're only hearing his side of it. ;)

Besides if he can't beat an old man, then he needs to go back to advanced. :D

And I don't think he could ever be Hutch II, I have never seen him take the time to fish for discs. :D

Mr. Walker arrived late; after sign ups were closed, as a favor to him and another player (he had driven a long distance) we allowed another player to pay for him, assigned him to a card and for book keeping reasons we assigned him to a division (he did not sign in nor did he pick a division)
after the first round (and without his knowledge of scores) He was asked if he wished to be in the two man division that he had been assigned to or if he wished to play (as he normally does) in the larger Open division. He elected to (as he usually does) enter in the Open division and the TD placed him there.

If any player signs up for themselves filling in the entry form complete with division, then that is what they are playing.


Mr. Walker never completed a form at sign up making this a special circumstance.

According to the competition manual the TD could have required them to both move up to open.

Section 2: Division Qualifications
2.1. General

A Tournament Director may, by giving adequate public
notice, restrict the divisions offered. Absent such notice,
the director shall offer for competition any division which
has four or more players that are eligible and wishing to
compete.

Yea, but this is a series, and at the 1st event he said that if there is 1 person in a division, that was ok, because it was a series, and there would be a overall winner in each division.

NOTICE!
Due to difficulties encountered in the Spring fling series the following in now in place:
On line registrations will be up on the PDGA web site shortly for both #5 and #6!
If you chose not to pre-register for the event electing to show up on the day of it your are now on
OFFICIAL NOTICE:
Registrations will be taken from 8 AM to 9 AM ONLY.
If you are late we are sorry you cannot play.
If you send a proxy to sign you in the form MUST be complete with division and PDGA number and the player will play only the division marked on that entry form.

Spring Fling #5 and #6 are not until April 5th and 6th so you have plenty of time to register either on line or to print a form and mail it with payment or hand the form and payment to myself or Wayne Forest at any event that we attend.
The mailing address is available to anyone who uses the email link and sends me a request for entry. I will return email you a form and the email will contain the mailing address for your entry and payment.

I am sorry for the inconvenience that this may cause but late entry has caused enough problems and will now stop!

Ray Walker and the series are two completely separate issues!
You are ignoring the point!
Dave Wise did play a one man division that he signed up for!
Ray Walker did not sign up for MPM he was assigned to it for the first round until we could speak to him and see what division he intended to play.
We could just as easily assigned him to MPO for the first round, but due to age eligibility we stuck him in MPM until we could find out what!

MOVE ON IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN!

If a division is not marked from now on then the player will be dropped form the event.

THERE!

THAT FIXES EVERYTHING AND SHOULD MAKE EVERYONE ANGRY. :(

The moving players divisions is all well and good if done before the tournament starts, not after the horn (according to my discussions with the PDGA head of rules this morning). We all new (including Ray) that 50 was the hot round prior to any decisions to change divisions were made. I as well as Coda (56 first round) played with him. There is no doubts that if Ray would have known before the round started that there were only two pro masters he would have signed up open but that is not the point nor does is set a healthy standard moving forward. This now will allow anyone to change divisions (pending rating) at any point in time during a touny.
As Jason mentioned before, under this ruling I could have walked up and taken all of the Adv. winnings from the Adv winner durignt the awads if I wanted to change divisions. I have no issue with admitting that Ray beat everyone because he did with class. It just scares me when I hear some other players making plans to see how they finsh after the first round of the next tournament to see if they want to change divisions to better there chances of winning

B. All players within a division should be randomly grouped for the first round and grouped by cumulative score for each round thereafter.

Unfortunatly we did not have the oppurtunity to have Ray join us on the lead card. He did not play with the open leaders.

Just a thought...
Nothing against him, cause he's one of the nicest guys I've met.
But..
Ray hasn't played a sanctioned event in Open (singles) since 2003.. so why would he now? In the middle of a series too?
To win the overall championship?

2 points of contention here.

First, Ray moved up, if Kyle moved to advance that would be down.

Second, If you guys had beaten Ray would this still be an issue?

Did Wise agree to play MPO after the first round?

Technically, Kyle is playing up according to his rating.

B. All players within a division should be randomly grouped for the first round and grouped by cumulative score for each round thereafter.

Unfortunatly we did not have the oppurtunity to have Ray join us on the lead card. He did not play with the open leaders.



If the following is true then why was Ray not on the lead card in open.


after the first round (and without his knowledge of scores) He was asked if he wished to be in the two man division that he had been assigned to or if he wished to play (as he normally does) in the larger Open division

The point is moving divisions, not which direction and I have seen many tourny that a master had the best overall score so moving up from masters to play open is not exactly moving up. In the next tourny if an Adv player is winning by 10 strokes over the best open score after the first round, should they have the oppurtunity to move up? Again is this the standard that we want to set as we continue to run PDGA events?

The point is that Ray did not chose before the first round and now that will not ever happen in anything I run in the future!
No division NO PLAY
not a happy answer but the only one to STOP THIS DISCUSSION :mad:

I never had any intention of signing up Open, nor have I for any of the other events. The only events I ever sign up for open are at the local minis and that is usually at Riverside or Chandler.
Did I agree to MPO? I basically told Martin to do what ever he needed do, that I didn't care. My game sucked anyhow. But the fact remains, I SIGNED UP FOR MPM and finished where I signed up.

Kyle, NO one has ever waitied until after the final round to decide their division. That is not a good example. You'll have to do better than that.

And you still have avoided a straight answer to my question............Had you, Wagel and Sears shot two strokes better than you did, leaving Ray in 4th, would this still be an issue?
It only requires a yes or no answer.

AS STATED ON ANOTHER ANSWER!

IF "YOU" sign up for a division that is were you are stuck.
If "YOU" do not pick a division then you do not play!
If "some body" Picks a division for you then that is where you are stuck!

I HOPE THAT THIS ANSWER COVERS ALL FURTHER QUESTIONS AND DEBATE FOR ALL FUTURE TIMES!

So who was it that signed up Ray Walker?

The point is moving divisions, not which direction and I have seen many tourny that a master had the best overall score so moving up from masters to play open is not exactly moving up. In the next tourny if an Adv player is winning by 10 strokes over the best open score after the first round, should they have the oppurtunity to move up? Again is this the standard that we want to set as we continue to run PDGA events?




Kyle, you're missing the whole point to this. Ray was late and did not select his division, the TD's assumed that was his division and you have admited that Had Ray known ALL of the facts he would have signed up for Open that morning. Right?

As they said, this was a special circumstance and they made the call, right or wrong they made the call and they made it before the second and final round teed off.
Also, had they stood by the sign up rule, Wagel wouldn't have made it yesterday, he was late also.
Basically, it appears they were just trying to help a player that was late. Now I know you can understand that, can't you?


I was more upset about sidewalks safe but across the creek is out.

Ray showed up late,He didnt fill out a paper to the tourny.Ray always plays masters yet after the first round you guys asked him what he was playing and im guessing he said open.He didnt play on the leader card the 2nd round in OPEN not masters.Hey Ray a nice guy i like him but this is alittle screwed up and even though this is screwed up RAY nice win.

You weren't there pee wee, leave it alone. :p

lol

I was still thinking about Blackhawk...

Had fun playing...Wow.

Good times had by all.....

You won on Friday :D

Nice win Twoputt :cool:,way to put the foot down on them :eek:

THANKS, it was a hard battle, I had to scramble all day and was able to just barely pull of the win. It was a fight to the wire. Every putt counted. :D


You can ask my group, even yesterday on the last hole they asked me my score and I was just standing there looking at my disc under the basket and I said I haven't putted out yet. They asked are you going to?
I might as well, Its a long walk back to the truck either way.

Dave,
I agree that the TD's were helping the players allowing them to sign up late and I appriciate that. My point in bringing up changing your division or waiting to decide what division you want to play in, after the play had began (whether after the completion of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round) is not fair. I am completely fine with the situation as long as it is consistent moving forward. This is a sanctioned event. Unfortunalty we do not have the luxury to allow something one time and not the next without fixing the mistake. Either there was a mistake made and we need to do what is right (not by opinion but but the rules), or we need to be content with what we did and continue doing it. Consistency is crucial especially in a series. To answer your question I would respond yes. If it is myself or someone I know that is being affected by something that is done that I believe is not a correct ruling I will support their effort to make things right. Especially after I took a few minutes thinking about what this would look like moving forward if this were OK to do at all events.

The whole key to this situation is Ray did not complete his entry form and did not select a division. The only person in question is Ray, not the division. The rest of the division played where they signed up. And we do have the luxury of correcting a SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE, and making sure that it can not happen again. I believe they have done that. If Ray himself had completed the entry form, I would agree, But in this instance the TD tried to help a guy out and put the player in the middle of it by not asking him either before the first round or during the first round. The TDs and players have learned from this.
You are correct a mistake was made and they did what they thought was right to correct it and have created additional rules to prevent it it in the future.
While this may not be the correction you are looking for it is the one they have come up with.

For moving forward, they are doing just that. This will not happen again. The only reason it did happen was they were trying to accomodate everyone that wanted to play. Is this how you wanted it to move forward?
No exceptions, no late sign ups, no incorrect entries, or no play.
I just hope Schwake or Mitch or Ray aren't running behind next time, or we'll just have to tell them to turn around and drive back to the city. :o

Kyle, you also witnessed a clear rules violation on your card at Reed and chose not to call it, then 3 holes later, you witnessed the same person with other rules viloations and did not call them on it then either, thats twice in one round.

Why this time and not then?

Well it sounds like PDGA is aware of the situation, so I am sure everything will be okay...;)

I am glad to see that this cant happen agian. Good job!

Well it sounds like PDGA is aware of the situation, so I am sure everything will be okay...;)



I'm sure they'll jump right on this problem. They have been great at resolving any rules issues. :o

Well it sounds like PDGA is aware of the situation, so I am sure everything will be okay...;)



I'm sure they'll jump right on this problem. They have been great at resolving any rules issues. :o


:D

I appriciate the TD not allowing players the freedom to choose which division they would like to play after play has begun in the future. I hope others feel this is a healthy rule change.

Thats it? :confused: