So has anyone heard anything about how the throwers are doing this weekend out in the desert? I had talked with Avery last weekend and he seemed pretty prepared for the event, hoping to hear some good news on his behalf.

I tlalked to Andrew Rich on friday.

He said that the conditions were NO favorable (NO wind) so MOST people were having "issues" and had switched over to "Golf Wieghts" with their plastic........

NO results seen from yesterday........

Best chances are Val for a Womens World Record
And Andy Lehmann extnding his Grand Masters record

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Avery threw 212 meters in the first round!

I believe that accomplishes one of his goals

I believe that accomplishes one of his goals



/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif Whoo Hoo....200m Club....Sweet... :D

I believe David Wiggins set two records. 12 year old and under 17.

under 17!!!!!!!!!!!! that is crazy!! way to go david! how far was the throw?

And Andy Lehmann extnding his Grand Masters record




Wouldn't that be ANDI...extending HER record?

This just in!!! I Just got a text from Val Jenkins no less than 5 minutes ago saying she broke the World Record with a throw of 148 Meters and she still have 5 throws to go!!! Way to go Val!!! Extend that Record even farther!!! :D:D:D

Cary Trotter also joined the 200m club yesterday, hit 200 exactly


David's throw yesterday was 176m I believe. It happened on the 3rd throw of his 1st round.

I believe David Wiggins set two records. 12 year old and under 17.

YEAH LiTTle Wiggy, NC representing

Congrats VAL and Avery.....nice to see that Hard work paying off.

And Andy Lehmann extnding his Grand Masters record




Wouldn't that be ANDI...extending HER record?



YOU need to get out more, John :p

That would be the MALE version (not related) from NorCal AND current GM World Record holder /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
:D

This just in!!! I Just got a text from Val Jenkins no less than 5 minutes ago saying she broke the World Record with a throw of 148 Meters and she still have 5 throws to go!!! Way to go Val!!! Extend that Record even farther!!! :D:D:D



:D:D:D:D:D

Best chances are Val for a Womens World Record
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:DAnyone have the numbers?? :D

also curious what people threw for their throws

congrats to lil' wiggy!!! droppin' BOMBS!!!

The first throw of the event on Saturday was a record breaker by David Wiggins Jr. He then proceeded to best it with another throw in his first set. The new record for Junior Under 13 is 176 meters. (David was only 2 meters shy of the Under 14 record). He threw a DX Destroyer (I believe mid 160's). David was only 1 meter short of making the top 12 Open Men's cut. David will be turning 13 in two weeks.

Valarie Jenkins broke the Women's record on her second set Sunday, with a throw of 148 meters. She was throwing a 150+ DX Wraith. She went on to win the event for the women.

Several new players were welcomed into the 200 meter club this weekend: Marc Jarvis, Andrew Rich, Jussi Meresmaa, Avery Jenkins and Juho Parviainen.

On Sunday, the wind finally blew in about 3:30 local time and the semis and finals were started. Most of the Sunday rounds had an average wind speed around 13 - 18 with gusts to 25. (I am not sure if that is KPH or MPH). All of the age/gender division throwers that were within 10% of a record were allowed to throw all three sets on Sunday. Sunday's Open Men's field was limited to the top 12 players from Saturday. (For Sunday, everyone's score was reset to zero, nothing carried over from Saturday.) After the first set on Sunday, the top Men were cut to 8. The longest four throwers from the top eight made it through to the Final Four. The best throws of the final set determined the winners.

The longest throw of the day (and event) was from Mark Jarvis at 226 meters with a DX TeeBird. The final eight were (in no particular order): Avery Jenkins, Andrew Rich, Jussi Meresmaa, Juho Parviainen, Christian Sandstrom, Erin Hemmings and Mark Jarvis and Jack Cooksey. Players had to have a semi final round throw of over 200 meters to make the top 8.

The final four and order of Finnish: ;)

Jussi Meresmaa - 1st Place
Juho Parviainen - 2nd Place
Andrew Rich - 3rd Place
Mark Jarvis - 4th Place


While the official Big D event is officially over, today is an all out WFDF record breaker day. Nearly all the top players and international players planning on attending. Wind conditions are not looking good for a new Men's record, but there could still be some new records from Val, David Jr. and the others.

Sweet,

Thanks Suzette!

Thanx, Suzette. Preliminary forecast for Fredericksburg this weekend looks pretty darned nice for distance. 70 degrees, partly cloudy, & NE winds 10-12 mph. Maybe Jen G can reclaim that record (or Jack Cooksey can pass the 1/4km mark).

thanks for the update... GO WIGGINS!!!! Congrats for being the first person from NC on the 170+ list!!!



Valarie Jenkins broke the Women's record on her second set Sunday, with a throw of 148 meters. She was throwing a 150+ DX Wraith. She went on to win the event for the women.




and to Val for pocketing $$1000+ thanks to innova's bounty on the women's record!

Can you imagine David Wiggins a foot taller and 100 lbs heavier in 10 years????

1000 ft??? Something stupid like that...

Can you imagine David Wiggins a foot taller and 100 lbs heavier in 10 years????

1000 ft??? Something stupid like that...

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Future Lil' Wiggins

In this corner....

THE CRUSHER!!!!

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Does anyone have any info from today's all out assault on the world records? WFDF was out recording today.

The wind today was not what we had hoped for. Very inconsistent and only blew hard for about 10 minutes. Erin Hemmings had a huge throw of 228 m. That was the longest throw of the weekend. He threw a 167 Star Roadrunner. About 100 feet high and screaming. The wind carried it perfectly.That was the only real big throw today

Cary Trotter also joined the 200m club yesterday, hit 200 exactly


David's throw yesterday was 176m I believe. It happened on the 3rd throw of his 1st round.



I did not throw anywhere near 200 m. Little Wiggins beat me by three Meters for the 3 round total.

I don't get it.......in all other RECORD attempts in other sports there is a wind limit and level ground and such.....if we are going to try and set distance records shouldn't the wind be held to a limit?.......if you just want to throw far go throw off a mountian......Distance records should be kept like an olympic event or something unless we are only campareing distances from that event against each other.

The compareson would be sprinter running with the wind and then against it the record could not be considered the same.

You, sir, are misinformed. The WFDF has specific rules governing the "distance" field event, & they must be followed for a record to be recognized:

The playing area in distance shall be of sufficient size to permit the entire course of the disc flights to be contained within its perimeter, essentially level to insure an accurate measurement, and in an area which permits an unblocked windflow. The layout of the field shall be such that throws may be made with the prevailing wind. There shall be five throwing sites, each marked with foul lines which consist of a 3 m front line and perpendicular sidelines which are 3 m to 15 m in length. These lines shall be between 5 cm and 10 cm in width. Small, flexible cones should be used to mark the front corners of each site. At least 6 m of additional space shall be provided between each throwing site.


No mountain throwing, Dogg.

Yeah but what about the WIND?

It just seems to me that an unfair advantage is gained by throwing in 30mph tailwind as opposed to a calm to slightly breezey day.....I can't throw that far in either condition just want our records to be ligit in disc golf :D

I totally agree with ^^^^^ Hey I threw 300 meters with a 50 mph tail wind..... weak :p

I don't get it.......in all other RECORD attempts in other sports there is a wind limit and level ground and such.....if we are going to try and set distance records shouldn't the wind be held to a limit?.......


Likewise, the discs should also be limited to whatever kind of Vintage discs were used when the first WFDF distance records were set if you want to be fair about comparisons over time.

You can also argue that the location matters. It would probably be alot easier to throw further in Colorado on flat ground than in Florida on flat ground.

There really is no way to get things consistent except for limiting elevation.

OK, I have a question. I am a lefty. I am assuming the tee areas are set up for a right hand back hand drive. Is there a setup where a competitor can choose a different angle from which to throw? Is it essentially nondirectional distance, you just need to tee fro behind the tee area, but could potentially throw in up to a 90 degree direction?

Just wondering.

I don't get it.......in all other RECORD attempts in other sports there is a wind limit and level ground and such.....if we are going to try and set distance records shouldn't the wind be held to a limit?.......


Likewise, the discs should also be limited to whatever kind of Vintage discs were used when the first WFDF distance records were set if you want to be fair about comparisons over time.



Indeed, Innova needs to make the "Competition Distance Driver"

A standard disc mold, probably the most advanced of the time, would present an even more level playing field than just regulating the environmental influences.

Ideally, it might be better to have two distance record categories. One would be restricted to certain discs, wind speed, elevation and maybe even humidity. Then, you'd have an Open division where anything goes including non-PDGA approved discs as long as it was circular with no holes in it. Go out and try to set a record in a hurricane high up in Equador with decent humidity and discs with sharper edges than allowed to see what humans can do.

I wish I could get some illegal plastic... :D

It would just be fun, but totally dangerous.

Twice as far and twice as sharp. Woot!

It would be worth paying $50, for me, if I could get a disc, even a non-PDGA-approved one that I could throw 1000 feet with.

I would invent my own sport. :)

Maybe hunting sitting birds from afar...

OK, I have a question. I am a lefty. I am assuming the tee areas are set up for a right hand back hand drive. Is there a setup where a competitor can choose a different angle from which to throw? Is it essentially nondirectional distance, you just need to tee fro behind the tee area, but could potentially throw in up to a 90 degree direction?

Just wondering.



It is non-directional. Just throw from behind the line in any forward direction - which would be nearly 180 degrees.

Hey I threw 300 meters with a 50 mph tail wind..... weak :p



Knowing how to throw distance shots even with a huge tailwind is not an easy skill by any means. Next time you have the chance to throw in such conditions, give it a shot and see how fast your disc gets stomped into the ground.

Only the best distance throwers in the world are able to properly read such tailwinds and make world record distance shots which take advantage of that wind.

Not taking anything away from the thrower just saying it should be out right distance not added by the wind if it where to be fair across the board.

This is Andrew Rich from Eugene, OR and I have a few things to say to the nay-sayers out there who think anyone can just go throw Big D.....

I can't believe how hard it was to get the disc to fly out on the desert. People think that the winds and the elevation just take the disc to some cosmic new level. Yes, it's true but not nearly what people think. All the discs in your golf bag are way too stable. I had to throw almost everything I knew about throwing Golf Distance shots out the window. I managed to get off a couple nice shots to hook up with some 165 DX Destroyers (200 and 203meters). But these guys throw their discs about 80-100 feet up in the air with so much snap and angle. It is quite a feat to see technique and strength mesh into these huge shots. Being able to see first hand the best in the world was a very awe-inspiring experience. It definitely took my appreciation for the purely physical aspect of distance to a new level. Avery and Val Jenkins, Christian Sandstrom,Chris "Max",Jussi, Juho, Cari and all the Fins, Erin Hemmings, Marc Jarvis,Jack Cooksey, David Wiggins Jr. and everyone else out there it was a pleasure to throw with you. I felt honored to be one of the few who witnessed so many unbelievable shots. I can't wait for next year. Congrats to everyone who walked home with a new World Record.

Stay tuned were going to try and do everything we can to make it more spectator friendly and allow for a gallery. Start a buzz about it and we'll see where it can lead.

Also, how about some feedback on a possible Big D in the Desert DVD with all the footage that was gathered this weekend.

Thanks to Innova Champion Discs, Sam Ferrans, John Ahart, Dave Dunipace and Mark Molnar for a great time in the Desert.

Sincerely,
"The 98 pound redneck'

(Mark Molnar's new nickname for me due to my lobsterish appearance on Sunday)

David Jr thanks everyone for the supportive comments. The tournament was a great time and we both hope to throw it in the future. Special thanks to Mark Molnar and everyone who helped him put it on. The fact that there is probably more international participaton than anything else but the Worlds and possibly the USDGC is a testament to the excellent production.

Another special thanks to Innnova and Phenix Disc Sports. David Jr passes on his thanks for the support and guidance from all of his Innova teamates. He was thrilled to get to meet and get to know all the great throwers Innova and otherwise who he has heard so much about and looked up to for so long.

:D

Nice Job, Kid.....200m club....awesome. :D

It hilarious HOW MANY people "Claim" they can throw 500' :o

Then they get to a true distance comp and only get out to mid 400's.. :o

I only wish I was there with my 166 DX Wraiths..... :D

NEXT YEAR........ :D

Regarding the wind and elevation....I'd say they do give some benefit. But attempting records at elevation is a long-standing track and field as well as bicycling tradition. (probably other sports too) It is by no means unprecedented. Mexico City where many records are attempted is something like 7000 feet elevation. Big D was at 2800 feet.

The elevation helps but one must adjust disc choice and or throwing technique. Less wind resistance means discs fly more stable. The elevation benefit probably tops out at a certain elevation where the advantage of less wind resistance is counterbalanced by the disadvantage of less lift and glide.

Heavier winds can help but only if the throw is perfect. The faster the wind the more perfect the line, angle, and speed have to be to get the benefit. I don't think many would argue with a max wind speed of say 20 mph, because getting a good throw in winds faster than that becomes exceptionally difficult especially when one is throwing only 5 throws at a time and the wind speed and direction is not perfectly constant making it very tough to get dialed in.

Because we practice it a lot we have a pretty good idea what he can do with a good throw. Given all of the above considerations I'd say the "Big D" advantage over High Point, NC is no more than 10%

t hilarious HOW MANY people "Claim" they can throw 500' :o



Whats even more hilarious is how inaccurately measured over half of our courses seem to be. I waited until I'd played like seven different courses and done it on a ball golf driving range to say I made it solidly over 450 just because I had no clue if I was really throwing over 450 or barely clearing 400 or what.

A lot of people think they throw 500 because of poorly marked courses, they don't just pull numbers out of their asses. One of our local courses has a hole marked to 525 that I can almost reach... The teepad is only about 70 feet back of the short pad (by my estimate, at most) which is 405.

Just a rant that I had come to mind, you may now continue congratulating the awesomeness of Val, Avery, Lil Wig, and all these sick bombers.

Did Becki Zimmerman throw?

FWIW- I was out watching on saturday and tried throwing some optimal "Big D" type shots...its just so different than a normal golf throw(even a distance golf throw) that I really struggled.

One of the biggest differences is the consistency is distance thrown- the regulars in this competition have designed their throws to try to hit that 1 perfect toss, they can definitely throw multiple throws say, under 520, and then hit 690 on the next one- with the same wind conditions

I don't get it.......in all other RECORD attempts in other sports there is a wind limit and level ground and such.....if we are going to try and set distance records shouldn't the wind be held to a limit?.......


Likewise, the discs should also be limited to whatever kind of Vintage discs were used when the first WFDF distance records were set if you want to be fair about comparisons over time.



I disagree with this, polevault poles get better, javelins, baseball bats, golf clubs sprint spikes etc have all gotten better. Things are always gonna improve, but i think wind regulations should be considered.

No reason vintage Wham-O mold discs couldn't be made in higher tech plastic but the shape would still remain the same just like Javelins and pole vaults. Baseball bats and balls have not gotten better performance wise. But, ball players have gotten "better" steroid-wise. In fact, higher tech basketballs were tried in the NBA and then they went back to the older leather. Ball golf has basically blown it by not holding the line on tech advances since some of the changes have obsoleted the distances on many courses, at least for elite players, and several courses have had to spend 100s of thousands to upgrade.

Baseball bats and balls have not gotten better performance wise.


Not true. In the old days bats had much fatter handles than todays bats. Players realized that a thinner handle provided more power but less control. This is one of the reasons that power numbers are up from 50 and 60 years ago. Bats were also exclusively hickory now they are ash, maple and hickory. They even test for the resonant frequency of a bat to gauge it's density.

What about the balls, Rich?

This is one of the reasons that power numbers are up from 50 and 60 years ago.


And how many years has the current wood and bat shape been used?
You think the difference in bat changes might be a little less than say a Destroyer versus a Wham-O 165 or FB3?

Well they had to re weight the javelin so they didn't fly as far, so the old style javelin record is actually farther than the current. So it did change the records. And with polevault poles when they started making fiber glass poles that could bend the world record went up 5ft!! There is no difference in that and the difference between a whamo disc and a wraith etc... But improving equipment will always obsolete old records. Everyone will respect the polevaulter who jumped 15ft on bamboo poles just like todays throwers will always respect the throwers who threw 500 and 600 ft with old tech discs.

That's why having the wide open, anything goes record would make sense and having one where the equipment and conditions are standardized would be better than the constantly shifting conditions being used currently where nothing can be validly compared. It especially undermines the value of records for single years since a junior might only have one shot at it and the conditions were particularly great or not that year.

This is one of the reasons that power numbers are up from 50 and 60 years ago.


And how many years has the current wood and bat shape been used?
You think the difference in bat changes might be a little less than say a Destroyer versus a Wham-O 165 or FB3?



I think today's hitters would say yes.

I think disc distance records should be shared as a technological achievement too.

all distance records should be done greco-roman style. In the nood.

I think we want more spectators, not less.

Did Becki Zimmerman throw?



No, Becky was unable to attend.


Watching a distance competition is not a real exciting spectator sport. You basically sit around for long periods of time waiting. Yep, lots and lots of waiting for 5 minutes of throwing. Then more waiting.

LOL, and very true - but you were throwing, not spectating. Didn't you throw a personal best?

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Watching a distance competition is not a real exciting spectator sport. You basically sit around for long periods of time waiting. Yep, lots and lots of waiting for 5 minutes of throwing. Then more waiting.

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I agree that with the style it is ran it is boring. There is tons of down time when conditions arent right. However, we need to make this event a spectacle. People need to be there. There would just need to be things for spectators to do when there is no throwing. A Pro Shop, putting area and an area for spectators to have a chance to bomb shots would be a start. The finals would most likely have to be moved to Roach Dry Lake (even if that meant that was the only time spectators were allowed), but there is nothing wrong with that location. I think this style of competition could be very TV friendly as well. These guys are throwing golf discs farther than most people can hit a golf ball. It should be seen by as many people as possible. :D

I suppose I threw a personal best as it was my first distance competition. However, I am pretty sure I can throw a regular golf shot farther than I threw this weekend. Maybe next time!

the problem with promoting an event like this is if people don't understand how far they are throwing it, it doesn't provide the "wow" factor like it should.

Even if you have no idea what a good distance measurement is, seeing a 600-foot throw unleashed is awe-inspiring.

the problem with promoting an event like this is if people don't understand how far they are throwing it, it doesn't provide the "wow" factor like it should.



Come to a Big D. You will be " wow"ed. When you see a 200m+ throw, even if you dont know exactly how far it is right away, you will understand that it just went a VERY long way. :eek:

Better yet, come to VA States in Fredericksburg this weekend. Cooksey & Lahm (and maybe even Turner & Hasnain) should have 600-footers in 'em.

I saw what I'm sure was my first 600' shot two weeks ago. It was during a gorilla golf final after the Ft. Lauderdale tournament. They were playing a hole that measured overr 1000' and was wide open to start. John E. McCray, Rich Darter, and Dean Tannock all threw shots that were probably at 500' or longer. Garrett Gurthie crushed his drive at least 100' further. It was sick, in the air several seconds longer than any of the other throws and much higher. The snap and power on that shot was amazing. I could watch him throw bombs all day. I think it was with a Blurr.

Can you imagine David Wiggins a foot taller and 100 lbs heavier in 10 years



Andrew Rich at 144 lbs soaking wet did very well in the unofficial meters per pound category as well. That young guy can bomb it. Same goes for Mark Jarvis who is not physically large either.


However, we need to make this event a spectacle. People need to be there.......


Even if you have no idea what a good distance measurement is, seeing a 600-foot throw unleashed is awe-inspiring.


agreed


Also, how about some feedback on a possible Big D in the Desert DVD with all the footage that was gathered this weekend.




I have some footage and will edit and post it on youtube as soon as I can get to it. I been workingin the ER ever since I got home. Somebody has to pay for all this "gallavanting" around ;)

Anyone ever thought of tethering a balloon with cameras above the event to get a good documentation of the throws from a different angle. That would be really cool to see.

Maybe a distance contest at Burning Man... that's an easy source of scary looking spectators.

Great suggestion. I'd just like 2 cameras. Till now, I've done the filming for strictly family use, but I enjoy it and may try to do it more seriously. I definitely need to improve my skills and technique. For these throws one needs 1 camera for the throw and another from straight behind for the flight. If you don't have that then you can get a good shot of the throw or flight but not both. Till now, I've opted for the throw because it helps when we look things over to try to make improvements.

Dave

There are special broadcast resolution cameras that Media Active rents for filming Pro Worlds which pick up fast moving discs against the sky. You can see the difference.

There should be distance records for each disc.

Here's the link for the results at big d VIII

https://www.discgolfvalues.com/BigDVIIIresults.htm

thanks for the link.

no doubt- very interesting.

avery goes over 500 sidearm!

i didn't see any sidearm specific records on the wfdf site- anyone have any ideas? stokely probably holds it if there is one.

You know, maybe instead of having newer players throwing old discs, it would be more fair to have the older players throw the new discs. I think that Big D should set up a cryogenic freezing process for the old distance throwers so we can bring them back to life in future years just to see how they fair with todays technology. :eek:

no doubt- very interesting.

avery goes over 500 sidearm!

i didn't see any sidearm specific records on the wfdf site- anyone have any ideas? stokely probably holds it if there is one.



Avery's biggest Forehand was 140m (460 ft.). I was marking for him and most of them were landing at my feet. When he figures out Distance lines he will break 500 for sure. He was throwing low bullets with very little turn. They were golf shots.

WFDF does not keep a forehand record. I heard their reason being they dont want to have to keep track of every type of throw (tommy, thumber, scooby, grenade, etc.). Scott Stokely unofficially holds the record at 158 meters.

oops, for some reason i had in my head that it said 160 instead of 140. thanks.

I remember watching Stokely huck a few sidearms across the Brazos River at the Waco event in the 90s. Someone had the laser indicating that crossing the river was just over 500 feet.

The thing that always struck me most about Scott's sidearm was the effortlessness. Didn't seem to be giving 'em much ummmph but oh how they flew! I guess that's the case with many of the long throwers out there, perfect mechanics make it seem so much easier. I've got some vintage SS footage on VHS down in the basement, '96 or so, that I need to pull out and archive in digital form. Should make a nice treat.

Joe

Not too mention that Scott never even threw anything post-XS technology from Discraft. His 521 record was with a X-Clone. CO rumor is that he only through the Crush a few times one day at a local course and was consistenly bombing it 500-550 hyzer sidearm...freak

I remember watching Stokely huck a few sidearms across the Brazos River at the Waco event in the 90s. Someone had the laser indicating that crossing the river was just over 500 feet.



And even farther when the river is up.

Can anyone throw over 450ft with 6 different kinds of throws?

no

Geoff Bennett has an amazing forehand. I saw him blast an anny 350 out and 100 feet in the air with the nose down into the turn.

I would not doubt he could go 500' +.

Geoff Bennett has an amazing forehand. I saw him blast an anny 350 out and 100 feet in the air with the nose down into the turn.

I would not doubt he could go 500' +.




He can or at least he used to be able to without having crazy wind or elevation.

I don't know if he'll be going for the record considering his shoulder issues, he's becoming a more and more backhand oriented player. It is unfortunate because he can really cannon those things out there.

Can anyone throw over 450ft with 6 different kinds of throws?



6 types? NO. I can only think of four not including rollers. Backhand, Forhand, Hammer, Thumber. Have never seen anyone break 450 with all four.

If you are including rollers into the mix, I can throw 450 in the air and on the ground both backhand and sidearm. Haven't measured my sidearm in a while though...last recorded measurement was 469'

Well if i can count the epic, i can throw over 450 with bh, fh, bh roller, fh roller, thumber and tommahawk with an epic if that counts? I want to do a video of it when the weather clears up a little bit. I have thrown a real thumber, and thomahawk 400ft though.

Well if i can count the epic, i can throw over 450 with bh, fh, bh roller, fh roller, thumber and tommahawk with an epic if that counts? I want to do a video of it when the weather clears up a little bit. I have thrown a real thumber, and thomahawk 400ft though.



why wouldnt you be able to count the EPIC... its a pdga approved disc.

Does anyone have video of some of the folks throwing these monster flicks? I would love to see the mechanics of a verified 450' forehand.

I throw a forehand farther than probably anyone I've ever played with -- I had at least a dozen people come up to me and say the same thing at Bowling Green recently -- and yet I have serious doubts that I can put one much over 400-425' with any consistency at all -- to go 450' requires a perfect helix line, a super-fast disc and a little bit of R-L wind, and even then, it's unpredictable.

I just have trouble imagining a bunch of players who can throw 450'+ in real distance with a forehand -- but I'd love to see it happen and would be thankful to anyone who has, or who can point me to, online footage. If all these people really are out there, I'd love to learn from them if I can.

Thanks.

I tend to think anyone that can and does wont be for long.

Like i said i will put videos up online since i doubt alot of people besides the ones i play with will believe me., I have seen geoff bennet throw and i don't think 450 is a problem for him. I was a 17ft plus pole vaulter and 200 ft javelin thrower, and have been playing disc golf for about a year; so there is my athletic background. I wouldnt expect alot of people to throw over 450ft with any of the 6 besides bh, and bh roller because most are not straight out of college athletes like me.

Does anyone have video of some of the folks throwing these monster flicks? I would love to see the mechanics of a verified 450' forehand.

I throw a forehand farther than probably anyone I've ever played with -- I had at least a dozen people come up to me and say the same thing at Bowling Green recently -- and yet I have serious doubts that I can put one much over 400-425' with any consistency at all -- to go 450' requires a perfect helix line, a super-fast disc and a little bit of R-L wind, and even then, it's unpredictable.

I just have trouble imagining a bunch of players who can throw 450'+ in real distance with a forehand -- but I'd love to see it happen and would be thankful to anyone who has, or who can point me to, online footage. If all these people really are out there, I'd love to learn from them if I can.

Thanks.



oh come on tim, you played with koling in raleigh... ;) :p

I tend to think anyone that can and does wont be for long.



agreed - its very dificult to sustain power sidearms without placing a lot of stress on the joints. I should also be making a video soon now that the weather is getting nicer. Its true that there aren't many folks that know how to or get to see how to bomb sidearms 450+. Avery can, I can, John Ollis can, and I believe Andrew Rich (currently The farthest throwing American) can. Four guys from Oregon!

I would say with proper training it is very possible. Pitchers, quarterbacks, javelin, discuss and shot guys can last a while if they train right and take care of themselves... I know we are talking about frisbee golfers here, but i'm just saying it is possible. I have never been taught anything about disc golf so i can't wait till i can be critiqu'ed on my throwing mechanics.

Normally I don't just believe random BS by people out of nowhere on the message boards, but seeing as how you have a confirmed history as a pole vaulter at EIU... I actually do. Especially after my ab work this winter has got my backhand over 470, I can see somebody with a pole vaulting background (the ab work it takes to be a 17 foot pv'er is nuts) coming out and launching.

Geoff Bennett throws sidearm 450' fo sure. Before I saw him do that last summer, Stokely was the only one whom I've ever personally witnessed throw that far. And that was about seven or eight years ago.

I would say with proper training it is very possible. Pitchers, quarterbacks, javelin, discuss and shot guys can last a while if they train right and take care of themselves... I know we are talking about frisbee golfers here, but i'm just saying it is possible. I have never been taught anything about disc golf so i can't wait till i can be critiqu'ed on my throwing mechanics.



I was a collegiate shot, disc, and javelin thrower and it definitely helps with the technical aspects of the game. We as throwing sport athletes are taught to use our bodies in the most effective and efficient manner. I was so used to watching film of Olympic discus throwers that the switch into disc golf wasn't bad. I just got some videos of the top golfers and started studying them to get started.

BTW I only threw the Javelin about 170... I wasn't very good but it was a lot of fun! :D

Here are a couple videos with bennett throwing some forehand bombs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7haXaVs_RM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6YrSF5vVKU

Good finds! It's sick how far Bennett's elbow gets ahead of his forearm when he throws. I don't know if my elbow works that way.

Yeah, and I'm pretty sure I can keep up with him on a flick, even though he can outdrive my backhand by 100' -- I played with him one tournament round and one casual round while in Raleigh, and I think I outdrove him on the flick pretty much every hole we both tried it. Though he is on the short list of people I've ever played with that have flicks I have been impressed by. I'd say he can hit 380-400' on a flick with some decent consistency if he gets out a good helix.

However, I've played long enough I think I'm pretty close to my driving potential; I think Koling on the other hand has a long way to go before he hits his potential, and he's already better than I ever expect to be. Along with being a very entertaining person to watch on some of his shots, he is a nice guy to play with. I wish I had had the chance to play with him at HH to see him bomb some of those holes. I heard he was one of the people who took a 3 on hole 7, which I would love to see done. Don't know if it's true or not, but I could believe it.

i believe he threed it in practice on friday, along with 3-4 others (childress?, feldberg, jenkins)!!! i think avery was the only three in competition - he apparently had a deuce run and hit the putt from 25 past it. feldberg told me he was 20 feet pin high and got spit out by that old bluemont basket.

i played one match on jeremy's card in the playoffs at vti- his sidearm on hole 10 was **** near the creek.

feldberg told me he was 20 feet pin high and got spit out by that old bluemont basket.





the putt wasn't that good - I was playing with him that round - might have stayed on a disccatcher, but def. not dead center - but he def. got up there to 20 feet.

i believe he threed it in practice on friday, along with 3-4 others (childress?, feldberg, jenkins)!!! i think avery was the only three in competition - he apparently had a deuce run and hit the putt from 25 past it. feldberg told me he was 20 feet pin high and got spit out by that old bluemont basket.

i played one match on jeremy's card in the playoffs at vti- his sidearm on hole 10 was **** near the creek.



i believe i heard peckham was another one to get that one in practice

I tend to think anyone that can and does wont be for long.


Avery can, I can, John Ollis can, and I believe Andrew Rich (currently The farthest throwing American) can. Four guys from Oregon!



I'm pretty sure that John Ollis can't throw 450' anymore. I'm sure he was able to a couple years ago, but he's had some health issues that have dropped his distance down considerably.
I'll vouch for Avery and Dion though, I've seen it. They don't make it look like that big of a deal, either.

...and I believe Andrew Rich (currently The farthest throwing American)



Andrew placed highest of the American's in the "competition".
However, Marc Jarvis is currently the farthest throwing American, from this year's comp. And overall, Ken Jarvis (Marc's twin) is the farthest throwing American, at 247m, I believe.

I think they both used DX Teebirds, if my memory serves me correctly.

Thanks for vouching for me and for the info Ryan!

also of note was Erin Hemmings, who had the farthest throw of the entire 3 day event @ 228 meters.

Ok it was the first warm week in a while and i tested out the old forehand roller and epic overhands and I am ready to make my little video of me throwing 450ft six different ways, maybe 500 if i can get the fh cranked out there. What would be the best way to do this so you can actually see it and can tell that its pretty legit? I was thinking of doing it next to a football field and putting a cone 140ft past the last goal post, and having the person film it in the middle? any tips?

I did not get it in practice, but missed a 25 footer the first round. The second time I played it I had another shot at birdie, but did the smart hole winning thing and just laid up. There's a lot of possibility to mess up that putt and go OB and miss the comebacker, turning a sure 4 into a 7. I was only up by 1, so I needed the point more than I needed the ego stroke.

Ok it was the first warm week in a while and i tested out the old forehand roller and epic overhands and I am ready to make my little video of me throwing 450ft six different ways, maybe 500 if i can get the fh cranked out there. What would be the best way to do this so you can actually see it and can tell that its pretty legit? I was thinking of doing it next to a football field and putting a cone 140ft past the last goal post, and having the person film it in the middle? any tips?



When we were shooting Kenny and Dave for the EDGE DVD, the videographer got the best shots of the length of the throw by setting up a hunter's tree stand (a 16 foot high platform on 4 legs) right behind the teeing area. They threw white discs out over a soccer complex and with good zoom technique you could see the entire throws just fine.

Get the DVD at www.edgediscgolf.org (http://www.edgediscgolf.org) and see.

For those that don't participate in events like Big D(or even those that do) what is your prefered wind for all out distance throwing?

I throw RHBH and for golf weight discs and golf type shots I like a tail wind crossing at about 25 to 45 degrees or more from left to right. I might get 450-500 (only with the best of shots or conditions) usually with a 166 Star Wraith or Champ Destroyer
For all out distance I like throwing a new 145 DX Beast with a hyzer flip up high with a straight to 15 degree tail wind left to right. With 20 mph. I sometimes get 525-575. I've only done this a couple of times on the soccer fields I throw at. Distances are approx. with a golf laser range finder, but I'm pretty sure 550 is doable for me given the right circumstances and I hope to top 600 some day before I'm too old and broke down.

I don't trust myself much for wind and bombs so I prefer calm if you're asking for preference.

My longest throw ever was probably with a 20mph tailwind crossing left to right slightly and a 150 DX Destroyer though, according to Google Earth (which is fairly accurate if you use the "ruler/line" tool, I've measured a 300 foot softball field at 300 with it off their satellite images, proves accuracy) the huck was ~530 feet (holy crap, didn't imagine it would measure out to that, this was the first time I'd checked it in G-Earth, I'll have to wheel it).

I just tested the accuracy of the program by measuring multiple holes both at home, and up north at Hudson Mills. Definitely an accurate line measurement tool.