i forgot to look at it last night. i only have it at home. i'll get it asap.

You don't need to rush, I can't get on from work anyway.

Pokerstars sent me an email that they are refunding my tourney entry fee from last night, plus 4 cents (my share of the prize pool based on chip count). Nice to know that I can play like a total donkey and still cash, hehe.

ok, it's rmiracle all lower case

That's hilarious. I made $1.16 after a $50 PLH tournament was going for about 3 hands. I've never seen that site go down like that before.

Yeah, I was kinda bummed about it because I was down to my last 100 chips or so and got back over 800 when it crashed. I've been in worse shape in that tourney and finished pretty far into the cash before so I wasn't completely counting myself out yet. The play gets significantly better after the first hour and I don't get sucked out as often.

I can't remember when the site was down for that long before. Maybe never?

I was very surprised to see it go down as well, as i never have. I was on PokerRoom.com one time in a 400+ person $5+1, and about 85% of the players got booted, and i was one of the lucky 15% that got to stay. All of a sudden, every other person at my table had an "away" tag on them! And i cleaned out every single one of them and all the other "away"s that came in! Ended up finishing in 6th place and got about $190! Lots of people were really angry and got their money back, but i was pretty happy!

Doc Evil - you are all hooked up. Let me know if there's a problem.

The game is No Limit Holdem - place is PokerStars - date is Thursday, June 23rd - time is 9pm EST (or is it EDT?). Buyin is $10 + $1. It's under private tourneys (Discgolfer's Tourney), and the password is 'wizard' (without the quotes). I'll even throw in a $5 jackpot to anyone that busts someone with 72 offsuit , as long as they bust their balls about it.

Come on, we need more than 4!

i'm sure game 7 isn't helping. but you can play ANDwatch i would say. hopefully there will be some late entries, or maybe it's possible to open it up to the masses if we are short players?

I have registered but it is highly likely that I will withdraw as I have a buddy coming in town that wants to go to the boats for some live action. He's not 100% to show yet.



He showed. Good luck all.

We are underway.

One player out and I am now the short stack. Blinds starting to go up...

Thanks to everyone for coming out, we had 6 players in all. Some good poker, and some pretty big hands being shown down, especially for 6 handed (there were more boats than uhh....New York Harbor at the Bicentennial).

The final results:

1st - $30 - Dan Howard
2nd - $18 - Aaron "Flying High" Lindsley
3rd - $12 - Roger Gagnon (NEFA board)
4th - Todd "Friz-B" Branch
5th - Jeff "Lung" LaGrassa
6th - Rich "Dr. Evil" Myers

Let me know if you want me to set it up again. 6 handed is ok, but it would be great to have a full table or 2 next time.

Next week same time would work!

looks like a blast , i might try and get in on some of this in the near future!! :D

So what's the game next week, champ? Omaha H/L?

I would love to play Omaha h/l, but I think we'd get even fewer players if I picked it. It can stay NL for now, maybe till we get some more action.

I don't mind setting it up again, do you think we can get more than 6 tho? Otherwise we could wait and try and generate more interest I guess.

BTW, did anyone else see that Todd Brunson won the $1500 Omaha H/L world series event yesterday? He and Doyle are now the first father/son team to win a bracelet.

And Greg 'Fossilman' Raymer is in the chip lead of the $1500 NL event going into the final 9 today. They had over 2200 entrants in that one. I can't even fathom how they are going to handle the 6600 they'll have for the main event. What a zoo it will be.

not sure how to play those, but i'm also not sure it matters the way i played last night. got smoked twice when i thought i had a strong enough hand for the few players we had.

I hope I can make it next week. sounds like fun.

Rich, you were the victim of some bad timing a couple of times. The hands we had were pretty wild for a 6 handed table, that's for sure. You rarely see stuff like set over set or boat over flush that often in just a 150 hands or so. That's poker, I guess.

Oh, next time, either fold or raise your pocket eights. Even if you thought I was bluffing, the cost to find out you're wrong is too high compared to the times you'll catch someone. I would have probably folded to a raise on the flop (I didn't catch my jack till the turn).

When you are shorthanded, medium pairs are pretty good hands, but you have to play them faster to avoid getting outdrawn.

Nice win Dan!

Maybe I will get in if the timing works out. I think I have a much better chance in face to face cards, but I want in on some of this schmack!!

still waitn on SBC to get the DSL thing goin at my place shoule be pretty soon i hope. im realy eager to play with ya guys

Who's in if I do?

me, as long as we can work the transfer. tho if this will be a regular thing, i may just deposit some money myself.

Ill be a regular as well.

Ok, I will set it up for Thursday again, same game (NLHE), same time (9 EST), and buyin (10+1). Same password too (wizard). It should be on there some time tonight.

Thought you guys might enjoy this parody site Bill Fillmaff (http://www.planetstacked.com/fillmaff/) , the videos are hilarious.

Just a slight discourse from the main topic at hand (namely the No Limit Holdem Tourney this Thursday night at 9 pm EST on Pokerstars $10 buyin password wizard name of the tourney is discgolfers tourney 2 do you think flyboy can read this?)

Jennifer Tilly won the Ladies No Limit Holdem Championship at the World Series of Poker yesterday. Yes, that (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000236/) Jennifer Tilly. The hot chick with the squeaky voice from Bound, Bride of Chucky, The Getaway, etc.

Turns out she is living with Phil 'The Unabomber' Laak and apparently his poker skills have been rubbing...err...wearing off on her.

She pocketed over $150k for her work (it was a $1k buyin). How much you wanna bet this is the episode that ESPN reruns about 6 million times?

Yeah shes been with him for a while now. I was wondering if she was going to get into poker too...guess so!

ok, i am buying in for 50$ on my mastercard to have a stake for these tournaments...

ok, maybe not. i'll have to see if any of my credit cards don't have a policy prohibiting online gaming deposits! ouch. might need your help again dan if i can't get it together in time.

No problem Rich, just say the word. Most likely it is some kind of credit card b.s. Get a neteller account and it will solve all your issues.

The tourney is up.

As of 11:30 last night there were only 2 players (myself and Flying High) registered for the tourney tonight. If anyone else wants in please post something here (Jeff, Todd, Roger, Rich?).

Fly - if no one else signs up and you want to unregister that's fine, I can just delete the tourney (but I can't delete it if someone is registered). If you want to play anyway, that's fine too, I'll be around.

Rich - if you want me to xfer to you then just let me know.

i'm signing up with neteller now. will i be able to get it done today or will i need your help again?

never mind. neteller won't accept a MD resident. they were kind of vague about why but it has to do with some kind of legislation or something. maybe having to do with the effort to approve slots. anyway, dan i paypaled you....

Ok Rich, I can't get on Stars from work, but as soon as I get home I will xfer you the $$.

That sucks about neteller. **** politicians have no freakin clue what they are doing.

I see Jennifer Tilley won something in the women's division at the WSP. Poker is sounding more interesting.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Rich, it's there, 10 minutes to go ...

Congrats to Roger Gagnon, winner of the 2nd Disc Golfers Tourney on Pokerstars. Dr. Evil hisself, Rich Myers came in 2nd, and I took 3rd. IIRC, Greg Hinkley was 4th and Aaron Lindsley 5th.

Highlights include Aaron getting sucked out almost every time he saw a flop, and my set of aces cracked by Greg's 24 sooooooted catching a flush.

I'm thinking we wait a few weeks for the next one. Can anyone set one of these up on Pokerroom? It seems like a bunch of guys play there regularly and I'd be fine with trying a different site to mix things up.

how about that final showdown hand. he drew into A TRIPLE TO BEAT THE 2 PAIR I DREW INTO. by that point we were just going all in to get it over with :D

Wow, that was very unlucky for me. Have been receiving many bad beats lately. Might have to take a break for a bit...

What time did you guys get done last night?

10:15-10:30? only 5 this time. hopefully it will pick up.

p.s. if i can't use neteller, what service should i use to deposit to these things? anyone else have a reccomendation for pokerstars and pokerroom?

You can try firepay, but I don't know anyone that uses it so I can't say one way or the other how good it is. I think a lot of people do use it, and it has been around for a while, so it should be ok. It's possible that whatever law doesn't allow you to use neteller might pertain to firepay, in which case you're screwed again.

I use firepay. It is ok, only bad part is there is a $4 fee per deposit. Transactions and withdrawls are free. Why did it not allow you to deposit on NetTeller?

there was no choice for MD when you were filling out your info. so i called them and they said something about not being available to people in MD due to legaslation or something, so they choose not to do business there... very strange.

Would any of you be interested in a book club kind of thing? We could all read the same book and get in the chatroom once a week to talk about it.

It would be a great way to improve everyone's game.

I read 'Winning at Internet poker ...for dummies'.

Very basic... mostly dealt with how to pick a good site to play at and the differences between the online game and a live 'brick and mortar' game.

Might be good for someone who has never played internet poker but since I had already been playing for a year it didn't have much to offer me.

Yeah, we would probably want something more intellectually stimulating than a "..... for dummies" book.

Id buy one of these books, but ive heard they are expensive.

ok guys i finally have my DSL and PC up and running in my new place, i want in on the Thursday game, ill need to X-fer funds with someone if thats cool, i have plenty of flow on Pokerroom

I've read Supersystem 2, Harrington on Hold'em, Play Poker like the pros, and Winning Internet Poker(Matt Hilger), and I just bought Harrington on Hold'em 2 and Adavanced Hold'em by Sklansky.

Play poker like the pros focuses on limit hold'em and is a good 1st book.

Harrington on Hold'em is thought by many to be the best book on tournament poker ever written. It is a really good book, I can't wait to read volume 2.

Winning Internet Poker was a waste of money- it covered extremely basic concepts and strategies.

Most poker books run $20 to $30. IMO they are worth the money because they will help you earn much more over the long run.

If you guys want to do this again on PokerStars this Thursday let me know. I'd be happy to play on pokerroom if someone else has the ability to set it up.

As long as we don't play on Ultimate Bet. That site has it in for me in the worst way and I am boycotting it. I'd protest out front with a picket sign if I knew where the hell they were located.

I can do it this week. Count me in.

down to 27 and back to binion's. amazingly raymer is alive once again, must be the bone. i am now officially rooting for michael kessler though. he is apparently from here in spotsylvania,va., current chip count has him in ninth. mostly i hope matusow doesn't win- what a prick. play resumes today at 3 vegas time.

harrington's books are very good- probably the best for the experienced player. an underrated one is warren's "winner's guide to texas hold 'em". it was the first one i got because of the handy charts in the back of drawing odds,etc. it deals with limit hold 'em primarily and also has a brief section on stud.

I'm probably in the minority in that I kinda like Matusow. He is entertaining in a similar way to Hellmuth, but unlike Hellmuth, a lot of Mike the Mouth's stuff is self-deprecating.

I'm kinda glad I'm not one of the remaining 27. I'd have such a hard time stacking that many chips at once that they'd be constantly falling into the middle of the table and I'd lose them in the pot half the time.

Yeah, that's why I wouldn't want to be there. :D

BTW, I forgot to set the tourney up and I won't have time to play tonight anyway, but I'll see about next week if y'all want.

why is mike a prick?

agreed. he is more than entertaining. or maybe he's just overly offensive to the ears.

"you wanna know why? cause i got big kahones. you got little kahones." :eek:

ps. Tex Barch from McKinney, TX is in 4th.

the Mouth was being a real ******* to Raymer on the ESPN coverage from last year. He said some pretty low, out of line things, besides what they mention here:

http://www.launchpoker.com/personalities/poker_players/-mike-matusow-/

the quote above was directed to Raymer at a table last year. He apologized and said he was just joking and offered to shake his hand. He refused. After the comment was made, Raymer started to write something down in his notebook.

"Mike The Mouth Matusow is a punk ***** b*tch"

"Buffet in 30mins." :D

That is hilarious!

But seriously, we have all been jerks at one point or another and we judge him on 1 occasion.

I have heard many pros (that actually play with him) say that he is a great (and really funny) guy. I think they would know him better than we do.

the Mouth was being a real ******* to Raymer on the ESPN coverage from last year. He said some pretty low, out of line things, besides what they mention here:

http://www.launchpoker.com/personalities/poker_players/-mike-matusow-/



What ESPN did not show you were many things that he said but were NOT shown...Matusow is actually a real good, nice guy, he just got a bad rep, like Josh Arieh, for saying 3-4 key quotes that portrayed him as a bad guy, if you check into other poker sites other than what ESPN replays time after time after time again, youll realize that they are actually good guys and have fun like all the other players...they were just unlucky that their reactions to bad beats were shown, unlike the "stars" such as Negraneus' were not, for the good of the sport.

I actually hope that Matusow wins, therefore he can avenge the ridiculous number of bad beats that he has received, not just the ones ive seen (which happen to be the biggest tournaments), and the people that hate him wont have a reason to hate him anymore.

I agree with you on Matusow, he is from all accounts a funny, weird guy. Everyone that knows Arieh says the same about him, but like you said, ESPN needed a villain or 2, and they made one with some creative editing.

I actually played on a table with Matusow on Full Tilt once. He normally plays the $5000 no limit game (with guys like Juanda, D'Agostino, and others way out of anyone's league), but he was slumming and jumped in our $50 NL table for a bit. He was funny as hell at first, but once the dickweed observers realized he was there it was just nonstop crap from them, which kinda soured the mood.

I did steal his blinds once with 64s. After I showed he said, "Oh, thats how its gonna be?" and I said, "Hey, its my favorite hand". Later on we were in a 3 way pot with about $20 in it and he pushed in. I folded top pair of kings (bad kicker) and he showed some junk like 37o. I asked, "Favorite hand?" and he said something like, "Any hand I win a pot with becomes my favorite."

The stuff on cardplayer from yesterdays play is pretty entertaining. Apparently, hew and some other guy were going at it all freakin day long. Fitting that Matusow is the one that busted him, lol.

..Matusow is actually a real good, nice guy, he just got a bad rep, like Josh Arieh, for saying 3-4 key quotes that portrayed him as a bad guy, if you check into other poker sites other than what ESPN replays time after time after time again, youll realize that they are actually good guys



hmm. i still think arieh is a d*ck. Constantly bashing pro players for their "questionable?" plays.

Here's a good article by Negreanu about a hand with The Mouth:
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/?a_id=13839&m_id=86

There are also a couple of good anecdotes about him in Paul Phillips blog:

http://extempore.livejournal.com

"The Mouth" went out 9th...... no Pro's left all AM's....

He busted out, but check out this hand:

Hand 24 - Scott Lazar has the button in seat 9, Matusow raises to $250,000, Dannenmann calls, and Black calls. Three players see the flop of Kc-10d-9h, and they all check. The turn card is the Ah, and they're looking at a potentially dangerous board, with high cards and two hearts. Black checks, Matusow bets $600,000, and the other players fold. Matusow shows 8s-5s as he bluffs himself a pot worth about $1 million.

This was after his set of kings was cracked by a runner runner flush to really hurt his stack on the 2nd hand.

What a boring final table. I hadnt heard of a single person in it, and didnt even care to who won or who went out in what place. What happened to Ivey?

He went out around 22nd. Matasow commented in an interview that Ivey was playing way too many big pots.

when will it be aired??

anyone??

Tuesday at 6 thru probably next July!

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I'm making about $8 an hour playing $25 NL tables on PokerRoom. I normally play 3 tables at a time.Is this a decent hourly rate? As a college student I make more per hour with poker than at my summer job, so during the school year my only source of income will be poker(and DG of course /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif )

had to miss ron t's semi-regular 3 table game yesterday 'cause i was sick :mad:

we wil however be playing a 2 table tourney at paw paw friday night 9/2. :D :eek: :D

no limit westtexasvirginny hold 'em
$30 buy in along with $10 required sponsorship of the WVO.
Those already sponsoring WVO play for $30.
1 20 dollar rebuy.

anyone wishing to play can pm me to save yer spot. 20 max.

shotguns must be checked. :D

Donr know if it was discussed.. What do you think..have you tried it yet?
Gonna start my first in a minute or two....

I keep losing hands going all-in with pocket aces. WTF? The odds have to be stacked against this. And it's not like I get beat with AK or KK, it's usually garbage.

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I know you are, Danny...your poker skills are like Climo's golf skills :D You took my money (cedar hill) when we played earlier this year.

I keep losing hands going all-in with pocket aces. WTF? The odds have to be stacked against this. And it's not like I get beat with AK or KK, it's usually garbage.



Yeah, the odds are definately stacked against it. And it usually is garbage that beats it. Ive lost with AA the last three times ive played them too - once against 76o, J10o, and 34s. It sucks, but it happens.

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I know you are, Danny...your poker skills are like Climo's golf skills :D You took my money (cedar hill) when we played earlier this year.



LOL! I am playing 3 tables online right now! :D

I keep losing hands going all-in with pocket aces. WTF? The odds have to be stacked against this. And it's not like I get beat with AK or KK, it's usually garbage.



Funny you mention AK. It is pretty much the worst hand you can have if someone has AA. 76 has a better chance of outdrawing than AK.

But I know what you mean. Just keep playing them fast and the odds will work out in the long run.

Think of it this way, if you flipped a coin 1 million times, there would be some stretches in there with it may come heads 100 or 200 times in a row. But in the end, it will get very close to 50/50.

I have a ton of poker DVD's (about 30). If anyone wants a copy of some of them, PM me. Maybe we could work out a trade.

We played poker every night(wed-sat) at the MSDGC this year. I suffered my worst beat of AA I've ever had(and I play online a lot). playing 3 handed and I Raised pre flop and was called by one guy. Flop is 10,7,2. I am bet into, and I raise all in (guy had been playing very loose). He calls and shows J4 off suit. I look at him like wtf? Jack high? He catches a 8 then a 9 for the str8 and busts me 1 out of the money. That's a bad beat!


Oh, and I multi table 4 $25 NL tables on PokerRoom for a couple hours a day. I have a true win rate of about $7.75 an hour. Not bad for .25-.50 NL tables. It's currently my only source of income as I'm in college.

I'm hoping to tour next summer as long as I figure out a efficent way to play poker on the road to help pay for expenses. Any ideas/advice?

What books have you studied to get such a high win rate?

whats your pokerroom handle> mines kcRhyno im on all day everyday. if u wanna read some really good books, go get these: Super System, both 1 and 2, Harrington on Hold'em is one of the best set of books u can get, GREAT advise on tourny play. volumes 1 and 2, and after uve read a couple of those step up to Sklanksys Theory of Poker. also, try not to emulate what u see on tv too much... such as calling an all in with 10 high because u saw Gus Hanson do it.... alot of the players online these days are what i like to call ArmChair pokerplayers...they see silly plays on tv and play like that nonstop, but what they dont realize is one, its a final table, two, its usually a shorthanded table, and three, you dont see all the hands played, only the fun to watch tv hands. so do youreslef and the rest of us a favor..before u deposit any money to an online poker site, study the game a little bit and get familiar to some stratagy, stay away from the fish-strategy that is "any 2 cards can win"

Thanks but I have already read all of those books you listed (several times). I don't need advice. I was just wondering what Luke had studied. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

after 2 days of playing online I read Hellmuth's book, which I still think is the best beginner book out there for limit. Seems really basic now, but it was a help then.

I've read Supersystem, both Harrington books, Sklansky's tournament poker for advanced players( I got almost nothing out of it, I play mostly cash games, and didn't like it besides). I did read a book "winning online poker"(guy in chair on a beach on the cover) which was horrible. Best imo was the 1st Harrington book. This has really helped me when I play sit+ gos.

Haven't seen any DVD's or videos but Caro's video on tells, which I found on limewire.

I'm looking to start playing Omaha(high and hi/low) what is a good book for someone who knows a little about omaha, but wants to start playing it seriously? I have read the chapter in Supersystem on it, and have tried it out online at the low limits a couple times with mediocre sucess.

pick JDLush's brain on Omaha, that dude knows that game really well. wish i was as good at it as he is. yeah Harringtons first book is my fav book, it its extremly helpful. Hellmuths was ok i guess. like u said good for beginers who want to play limit.

Hellmuth's book is good for beginners because it teaches you how to play very tight. keeps you out of as many tough situations after the flop.

but the best book by far for low limit holdem is Small Stakes Holdem by Sklansky. Nothing compares.

Omaha/8, get Ray Zee's book. It is really good.

If anyone is interested in any poker DVD's, PM me.

Luke, the Ray Zee book on Omaha is excellent (Hi Lo Split Poker for Advanced Players). It covers O8 and Stud Hi/Low. For info on Omaha high as well get the book by Mike Cappiletti, that was my first one.

While Omaha (both high and low) can be a pretty high variance game, at the lower limits (I play pot limit almost exclusively except for tourneys, so I'd consider anything $100 buyin or less to be lower limit) you can do well just on mistakes your opponents make. In other words, there aren't too many 'tricks' you need to play to turn a profit. Just beware, you will get runs where you are getting sucked out on or just not hitting, make sure you have the roll to cover it. I rarely play limit o8 because below $10/$20 it becomes a 'best hand' kind of game. There are almost always odds for someone to draw against you and you'll find the swings can be brutal.

If you stick to playing good multiway hands and keep in mind that your goal is to scoop the pot (in o8), not just win half, you'll do ok. A hand like A2QQ is crap compared to something like A256 suited. Also avoid drawing to anything less than the nuts. If the board pairs, drop your flush and straight draws like T.O. drops a slant pass. Pay attention to the table texture too. On a loose table avoid the tendency to get sloppy. Be patient and make them pay. On a tight table, be more aggressive, but make sure you are able to let a hand go when it's warranted.

And don't overplay AA hands, if I have a leak in my game it's that. :(

And don't overplay AA hands, if I have a leak in my game it's that. :(


Im 0-6 with AA the last six times. Yes, i raised 3-4x the BB each time and called all-in reraises as well. Got beat with another AA that caught a flush, a KK that caught a K, an AK that caught a straight, a QQ that caught (yes, a Q...) and so on...it only gets worse. Its been bad the last couple days. Are there any "good hands" to play preflop?? :p

It's disappointng when you can't get heads up in PLO with AA, isn't it?

My fav. hand in Omaha is 5-6-7-8 double suited. Ive never lost with it.

It's disappointng when you can't get heads up in PLO with AA, isn't it?



Well, yes and no. There are pros and cons to it. Normally you'll be +EV if you have a decent AAxx hand and your opponent doesn't have AA. But if you only raise (or get called when raising) with AAxx hands then a smart player will pounce on you when the flop misses you (which it almost always will). If you stick with AAxx double suited hands you'll be in better shape, but you are still in trouble when someone like Fly plays 5678 and catches a decent piece of the flop.

Long story short, M_ceph is right, if you can't get heads up you might not be the big fav that you thought you were. If you do get heads up, be wary when you get flat called or raised on the flop that misses you.

In PLO8, I'll get my stack in asap with something like AA2x as long as x is another low card (preferably a 6 or below). In that case you are almost always +EV enough, even against multiple callers. Be careful tho, an unsuited bare AA2x (when x is a rag like a 9 or something) is a very vulnerable hand against multiple callers. You will get a deuce on the board about 1/3 of the time and your aces will rarely take high unimproved. I'd still pot it preflop, but be leery if you're out of position and proceed with caution.

Funny you mention AK. It is pretty much the worst hand you can have if someone has AA. 76 has a better chance of outdrawing than AK.



Tell that to the guy who took won a 550 dollar pot off me in Vegas earlier this year :mad:

I had AA and he had AK. We were both all in before the flop and he catches a K on the flop and a K on the river :mad:

....but you knew going into the poker room that every deck has 4 kings. :)

....but you knew going into the poker room that every deck has 4 kings. :)



This is true but the chances of hitting 2 kings is something like 3-6% :eek: :mad:

....but you knew going into the poker room that every deck has 4 kings. :)



This is true but the chances of hitting 2 kings is something like 3-6% :eek: :mad:



He had a 9% chance to win. I guess this time was in that 9%. Oh well.

Now im 0-7 with AA. Just lost to trip 7's and was on the bubble in a 255 person tourney. Yeaaah.

Dan,
Any chance you can throw together another DG Hold'em tournament? I was in the middle of moving during the last ones.

Yeah, i was thinking about earlier today, we haven't had one in a while.

I think I have a new favorite game. A buddy told me that he is making a killing at NL Omaha hi/low on Poker Stars, so I checked it out the last 2 nights. Even playing like a total donkey trying to get the table to loosen up I did ok. People are calling bets with such weak hands it's insane. Definitely worth a look if you're curious.

I'm in there with you right now, just drop the M.
I had no idea such a game existed.

Dan, when you were doing the tournaments before, what site did you do it on?

Yeah, ceph, I was pretty sure that was you. You had some nice hands and, even better, the timing of catching them when someone else felt like calling. I had AA24 and AA45 back to back and got nothing but the blinds out of them.

I think that game is about as beatable as you'll ever find, if you get the right (sloppy and loose) table. Patience is the key, you will probably get your monster hands paid off enough times to make up for the ones you miss. Or it could be played a bit looser if you're pretty good post flop. The guy who told me about them said that he plays ultra tight but he'll push all in preflop with any AAxx hand if xx are 2 cards below a 6, and has had a lot of success with it.

Next time I'm gonna try and find a looser table and see if I can start bumping up my bankroll for my Vegas trip next month. :D

Kid, I prefer either Full Tilt or Poker Stars for tourneys. Usually Stars.

Played in the PLO8 multi last night for the first time in a while. Tripled up about a half hour in but then saw nothing for the next hour. Got AA89 with the 89 suited in spades in the SB, saw a cheap flop and it came JT6 with the JT of spades. Bet the pot on my str.flush draw, got 3(!) guys to push over the top of me so I had to call even though I thought my spade draw was now beaten. Got a Q of hearts on the turn, but then another heart on the river and a guy backed into a crappy heart flush to take the whole thing. I was good on the turn too, one guy had JJ, one had TT. Would have quadrupled up if it hit and I coulda folded my way into the money, oh well. Funny thing is, the spade draw was good, no one else had spades. Tourneys are interesting, lol.

The blind structure at Party sucks, same with Pokerroom. Stars, FTP, and UB have pretty much the best structure if you're a decent player, IMO.

I think I'll be giving that game some more looks. NL omaha, wow.

When I watch the TX Hold'em tourneys on TV I was wondering if they compute the odds based on just the # cards remaining in the deck...or do they also take into consideration what cards the other players have in their hand...? Capiche??

Number of cards in the deck.

I think its the WPT or the FSN poker shows that show the percentages based on the number of cards actually left.

I thought in the WSOP, they include the cards in other's hands.

I know they didnt last year. Maybe they do this year. Or maybe im mixing the shows and channels up. Or maybe im not sure at all. :confused:

Just read Harrington on Holdem. Then you will know the percentages and you won't have to try and learn from poker on TV. That is a sure-fire way to lose.

Tried some low limit PL Omaha today. Struggled a bit as I got rivered quite a few times, but that's because I had people call pot size bets on the flop with 2nd and 3rd pair,then end up backdooring a flush or straight. Game was really loose, and looks easy to beat after a little more practice.

If anyone is interested in signing up as a new member for a poker site, check out this site first.

www.pokersourceonline.com (http://www.pokersourceonline.com)

This is an affiliate site. If you sign up through them, you can get some really cool stuff. I already got Poker Tracker ($60 value) and an IPOD though them. I am now in the process of getting a few Amazon.com and Best Buy gift certificates.

P.S.--If you sign up for PSO, put Disc_Golf in the referral box. Thanks!

Good trade, Kid Roc. Thanks for the Dvd's! Now, if i can only figure out how to program my DVD player to my Digital Cable remote...

I just wanted to let all you know that <a href="http://www.pokersourceonline.com/pso.asp?rc=Disc_Golf">
Poker Source Online</a> has been awesome and I have got some nice poker stuff from them.

All I had to do was sign up as a new member for some poker sites and play poker. Go to the site and check out the store to see what they have.

another spammer, i see people like u in all the poker sites pimpn different poker related sited for rake back, bonuses, and winning systems.... whats the deal with that? do you guys get somthing outta it?

I am not a spammer. I am just really glad that I found this site because I am basically getting double bonus (bonus from the poker room and bonus from PSO) for just playing online poker.

Just thought some of my disc golf friends would be interested.

Hey Dan why dont you just send them to 2+2 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/login.php?Cat=) forums.

Westa, just to let you know, I was reading the PSO Forum today and they just announced that they just hit the 15,000 member mark. It is a really good deal. I have made a ton using them.

Does anyone play on Full Tilt and have a lot of points for the store? If so and you don't want to use them, PM me. Maybe we could work out a trade for discs or cash. There are a couple things there that I want and I definetly don't want play enough hands there to get the points. That site might have the best ring game players anywhere.

Danny, check your PM. I wish I had seen this sooner, I just got some shades from there the other day, but I still have some pts left.

It's weird, from what I've seen, FTP players tend to be a lot tighter than most, except on the PLO8 tables, where they are very sloppy.

That is why I don't play LHE there. Great bonuses attract good players.

Yeah, I dont mind playing against the weak-tight guys, as long as you can lay down a hand you can steal a lot of pots from them. Tight aggressive guys are another story. The sloppy ones can be a hassle because you'll get some bad swings when they are getting lucky, but overall they pay you off.

Dan, I just got my Poker Tracker going for the last month. I love it. I have been leaving 10 tables open all night long on Party Poker and mining the data. I have info on 6,500 players.

Just got done with the October reload bonus from party. Going to pokerroom now for the nice $200 inital deposit bonus.

Get PokerAce Hud for PT. It puts a little display next to each player on your table with stats like VP$IP%, PFR%, and Aggro factor. Comes in really handy when deciding whether or not to go against someone.

There was a guy on Party last night that had a VPIP of 93% on a $25 PLO8 table (with over 80 hands). He refused to fold after the flop as well. At one point he was up to $75, then down to $15, then back up to $60. It was killing me every time I got bad cards and couldn't get into a hand with him because I knew he'd pay almost anything off. Unfortunately, someone else cleaned him out before I could. :(

Where do you get these poker tracker things at?

Where do you get these poker tracker things at?



www.pokertracker.com (http://www.pokertracker.com)


it's very useful in identifying leaks in your game, and it's helped me stop playing hands I though I was making a profit with(suited Ace-x), and play difficult hands more profitably(like Jacks). Was defintiely worth it for me, and I only play $25 NL tables.

Get PokerAce Hud for PT. It puts a little display next to each player on your table with stats like VP$IP%, PFR%, and Aggro factor. Comes in really handy when deciding whether or not to go against someone.

There was a guy on Party last night that had a VPIP of 93% on a $25 PLO8 table (with over 80 hands). He refused to fold after the flop as well. At one point he was up to $75, then down to $15, then back up to $60. It was killing me every time I got bad cards and couldn't get into a hand with him because I knew he'd pay almost anything off. Unfortunately, someone else cleaned him out before I could. :(



I have tried that but I actually prefer Gametime+.

I would not recommend Pacific, i hated it. It is also limit only.

I tried Pacific due to a really good offer on another site. I think it's the worst site I have ever played on or looked at.





Bummer, i have a friend who wants me to join it cus he says i will get $25 and he will get $50, i dont know anything about Pacific but by the way it is talked about here i dont think ill use it

Is it really limit only b/c there was someone on here that said it had more...

Does it really matter for a sub-par poker player like myself whether or not this is a good site? I'm actually a better poker player in real game than online :D

Pacific has really bad software.
Pacific has really bad customer support.
Pacific has really long waits for cash outs.
Pacific has really bad PLAYERS.

Yes, this site sucks balls and anyone who works there can jump off a bridge. But, I have made a ton of $$ there. The players are the absolute worst I have ever seen on a poker site.

If you are a recreational player, go to Party Poker.

I have a question for anyone who uses Poker Tracker for multiple poker sites.

Should I create seperate databases for seperate sites? What about different limits?

Until you get a billion hands or whatever, separate databases isn't worth it. You don't have to combine YOUR aliases, so this way you can see how you do from site to site, but then to get a true idea of your totals you'll have to do the math yourself.

It will automatically break down your limits, I wouldn't go too crazy with it.

I cant seem to figure out the Poker Tracker thing. Does anyone have a few real quick tips on how to get it started?

This link should be able to get you started.

http://www.pokersourceonline.com/pokerreviews/pokertracker.asp

Wanted to bring this thread back to life!!!!

Here is a fun site I heard about.

www.liveatthebike.com (http://www.liveatthebike.com)

They do a live broadcast every night from 8pm-11pm central time.

It is nice to be able to watch cash game action. I am not much of a tournament player. Post here if you start watching. I would like us to post our thoughts on the game and players while we watch. Good way to learn something about the game.

Hey Kid, i assume you read about the crazy TOC final table?? Pretty crazy ...

Very crazy. Daniel Negreanu isn't happy about it.

Daniel's Blog (http://fullcontactpoker.com/poker-journal.php?subaction=showfull&id=1131325450&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&)

I am now a fan of the Mouth after reading the TOC updates, and watching the WSOP
He had control of the table the whole time, and he beat the Brat.

can you link the thread about the TOC? I didn't keep up with it. I am curious to hear Mike's comments about it.

thanks

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/poker/news/story?id=2219654

Doesnt have Matusow's "analysis", but watch around Christmas for the full coverage on ESPN. Dannenman ripped apart Hellmuth, I cant wait til I see this!!

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tournaments/event.php?id=3107&screen=logs

You can now create private tournies on PokerRoom.com, If you guys are interested i can put one together on that site for us. same format you guys used on the other site, except the person who gets busted on the bubble get to pick the next game, 7 stud, omaha, both with hi/lo if u want, HE and 5 card draw

Count me in!

Im in.

P.S.--I am actually hoping to be the bubbleboy. I wanna pick the game. :D

I was actually gonna suggets this once I checked out the new feature. I play on PokerRoom all day long, so I'm definitely in.

How big do you guys want to make it? I know of at least 5 other disc golfers from my local message board who would probably want to play.


I can't wait to see the chat box filled with : "missed your draw? BOGEY!"

Why do people still play {edit} Limit Texas Hold Em, where all the betting is standard amounts, instead of No Limit Texas Hold Em?

I think you are referring to Fixed Limit Hold Em, Jeff (generally just called 'Limit' Holdem), not Pot Limit. In Pot Limit, the max bet is the size of the existing pot after a call is made. Not Fixed Limit, but not as crazy as No Limit. Pot Limit is the game of choice outside the U.S., and is a little more techinical than NL.

Up until very recently, Limit Holdem was far and away the game of choice among hard core players (i.e. Pros), with NL generally reserved for tourneys. Thank Chris Moneymaker for changing that. You still see many more fixed limit tables in B&M card rooms than NL tables, but the amount of NL tables is increasing rapidly.

Limit is more of a math game, NL and PL are more read-dependent.

Oh, and I'm in for something on Pokerroom, I'd just need time to put some funds there (unless someone wants to trade for Party funds).

Now that football is over I might have time to play tourneys again, woohoo!!

We should make this as big as possible. Whats the buy-in? What is the starting game?

On a related note, I think NL Holdem is very overrated among new players. Obviously, it is because it is a very exciting game and the TV coverage promotes it almost exclusively. However, Pot Limit Holdem is an amazing game that (in my opinion) requires more skill. Because you cannot move all in preflop or on the flop (unless you are shortstacked), you are required to play farther into the hand and understand how to play the hardest street, THE TURN.

In that same respects, my favorite game (by far) is Limit Holdem. It is a game about math (although really easy math) but moreso about betting for value. Bluffing is quite a bit more rare and because you can only bet a very small portion of your stack on each street, it allows the more skilled players to get a great idea (read) of your range of hands.

I am not disrespecting anyone who only plays NL Holdem. Especially if you are playing mostly for entertainment. However, I believe you never learn Limit Holdem, it will be very difficult to move beyond an intermediate level in NL.

However, I believe you never learn Limit Holdem, it will be very difficult to move beyond an intermediate level in NL.



That's my problem. Having started with NL, Limit seems incredibly boring to me. If I've got a good hand, the amount of money I can win is extremely limited. And little (if any) bluffing!

However, I believe you never learn Limit Holdem, it will be very difficult to move beyond an intermediate level in NL.



That's my problem. Having started with NL, Limit seems incredibly boring to me. If I've got a good hand, the amount of money I can win is extremely limited. And little (if any) bluffing!



Even though I don't suffer from that problem (the boredom aspect), I understand where you are coming from.

Limit Holdem is way more different than NL than people think. Most treat it as the same game with different betting rules. While on the surface that is true, the difference in betting rules make a lot of other aspects of the game different.

Limit is more about consistantly making small amounts on a lot of pots. In limit you have to just play very straightforward almost mechanical until you become pretty advanced at the game. Keep choping away at your opponent's stacks. NL is about forcing your opponents to make very difficult decisions for a lot of chips. Both games are great and take different sets of skills to master.

I get in a healty amount of NL but most of my play is limit. Before playing either, I have to get in the correct mindset for type of Holdem I am going to play. At a limit game I am very tight-aggressive, especially from early position. I fold a lot of hands that may shock some players. In NL, I am still very position oriented but I am more interested in controlling the pace of the table, especially in a live game which is easier to make moves in.

Both games are tons of fun. I just like to mix it up to keep my sanity.

I guess the way I get really bored is playing the same game for dozens of sessions in a row.

When do yall wanna get this started up? How is Thursday night? That may be too short notice for some.

Also, there is only 1 potential problem I have when the way the next week's game is chosen. I am down to play any game (except 5 card draw). But many players are only interested in NL Holdem. Are we going to have decent turnouts when the game is something different?

Very well put, Danny (btw, your FTP stuff should be there tomorrow or Thurs).

Bluffing happens in limit, but it's generally not going to be as successful until you get above the $5-10 level. When guys are playing to make 2-3 bb/hour it's easier to push them off a hand. At lower limits, guys will call anything for an extra buck or 2.

I was messing around on a $15-30 limit table recently (courtesy of a nice bankroll helper from Party :D) and there is a LOT of ridiculously fancy play going on there, much more intricate than the typical NL sliding technique that is so common. I was up a whopping $5 after an hour and decided that was enough for me. :D

I still like NL for Holdem over PL, but it's not even close in Omaha HiLo, PL is a far superior game to NL there.

If you're easily bored playing limit, just open up 2 tables at a time, it helps to keep you focused.

Only night I can't do is thursdays.

For all those that are intersted in playing, are you willing to suck it up and play a less desirable game when they are picked? I don't think it will happen that often but there is no point in picking a game that is not wanted. I am down for whater but don't want to play a 3 handed tournament. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I cant do Thursdays either. Im down for any game as well (except 5 card draw), but would prefer Stud or Omaha H/L.

I am pretty open. We probably shouldn't do Friday-Sunday either, since schedules get weird around the weekends.

So, Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday? I am down for either day.

I would play PL or limit Hold'em, PL Omaha hi/lo, maybe Stud regular, maybe Omaga high, I would be willing to try Razz.

Looks like I better get reading those other chapters in SuperSystem that I have only browsed through before.

Awesome. So want to try to get started tomorrow night or is that too soon?

Try Cincinatti style. Deal five cards to everyone. five community cards like Texas, but you flip one at a time and bet each time. Best five card hand wins. This sounds like a BIG money game.

Well, you have to play a game that PokerRoom supports and (gladly), they ain't got that'un. :D

i can make a tourny for Thursday night for whoever wants in, tell me the best time and we can start it around the best time for everyone. we can also do one Friday Saturday or Sunday again for the rest of you, but if your antsy about gettn it goin soon, ill create one for Thursday, so give post your best times and ill create it for then. Dan, if u need PokerRoom funds i have enough in my account to send u a voucher for whatever amount u want and you can give me an UB voucher if u so desire.

oh yeah one more thing, we will start off with a ten man table format and at least a 10 dollar buy in, but we can go higher if u guys want, but i dont think it should be less than 10.

Ryan, I think a $10 buyin will get the most participation, and that's pretty much what we're shooting for here, right?

I am on the felt at UB for now, only have funds on party, but I can xfer if we have enough lead time.

Are you talking this Thurs, or next? I won't be good till prolly 10 EST this Thurs, but I'll make like Hellmuth and come in late if need be. :D

yeah i was thinkn this thursday, like day after tomorrow :) the later the better for me, we have Glow league on Thursdays, but i can always skip it for poker if need be. lets see waht the consensus is and go from there, but how does 9:30-10 o'clock EST sound for everyone?

What ever time is good for you guys, I'll just join late if I need to. I can throw $50 on PR to get by, no biggie.

Well, I really don't care. If we are going to make this a weekly deal, we need to figure out what night is best for the majority. That way we get the most people. I have talked to a few disc golfers and trying to convince them to join PR to get in on this.

Also, when you make the tournament, PLEASE select the option for slow blind increases. That will give us more time.

I am down to do something on Thursday. Hopefully we can get at least a full table on short notice. If we don't get a great turnout, I have another idea. On table size, you can select 10, 5 or 2. If we had, say 6 people it would be kinda fun to do it with 2 per table. Heads up rules (and I suck at it, lol). Just food for thought.

Also, the bubbleboy should get to choose not only the game, but all of the specifics for the next tournament.

:)

Everyone, start PM'ing, emailing, and calling all of your disc golf buds that also play poker. Get in touch with them quick so they can have time to sign up and deposit in PR if they don't have an account.

Send up a smoke signal if you have to. Heck, we are disc golfers. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D;) :p

oh yeah if i am bubbleboy im making it a heads up tourny, that would be awsome, i LOVE heads up poker. but this first one will just be a standard 10 dollar 10man tables 12 min blinds. i hope it doesnt take to long to get this ball rolling, let me know waht nights and times work for you, i personally like Thursday nights at 10 Est, but thats just my vote ill go with the majority

oh yeah if i am bubbleboy im making it a heads up tourny, that would be awsome, i LOVE heads up poker. but this first one will just be a standard 10 dollar 10man tables 12 min blinds. i hope it doesnt take to long to get this ball rolling, let me know waht nights and times work for you, i personally like Thursday nights at 10 Est, but thats just my vote ill go with the majority


Well, 2 out of the 4 of us posters on this said we cant do it Thursday, so is there any other day of the week? If it IS absolutely Thursday, please make it after 8 PM.

ok guys im making the Tourny for 10pm EST THIS Thursday the 17th!! be there or be square, hopefully we can get somewhat of a decent turnout. they make the tournies under the makers name, so look for kcRhyno's tourny in the private tourny section password will be "discgolf"

Sounds good. Now I need to find 10 bones.

Okay I am in! Anyone that can, please sign up as soon as you can. I think the more people that sign up, the easier it will be to attract even more players.

Ok, I'm in as well. I will almost definitely be late, don't steal too many of my blinds or I'll go medievel on yo a[/b]ss!

I should be able to play tonight.

I am going bogey -free tonight so watch out!

6 people signed up for sure.

Im in. See you guys tonight.

Im in. See you guys tonight.



Okay, I hope that isn't a picture of you as your avatar. Then I may want to withdraw. lol :D

are u kidding me? i would love to play Juanda for only 10 bucks.

Well, I doubt you would get much out of it. Not like he is really talkative. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

When he does talk its pretty funny. My favorite line of his is in a NL WSOP event last year when he was in a hand with i believe Negreanu, and Daniel checked on the river or somethin after betting the flop and turn, so Juanda says "Wha? You no like yo hand no mo'?" I just think his accent is funny.

Yeah I remember that. But no way does he even compare to Chau Giang. "I love play pokah," as he rubbs his nipples. LMAO!!!!!

Well, gee, that was a lot of fun, lol.

I donked off too many chips trying to figure out the **** interface. I should have dropped off the PLO8 table, but it was too juicy. Took 2nd in the SnG at least.

By next week I promise I'll figure out how much I'm calling for before I click anything.

still recovering from the beat Kid put on me.

Happy to see we got 9 on such short notice.

It was a lot of fun to play a SNG that wasn't the all in fishy poker that I'm used to. Definitely down for the next game.

Decent game or 9 handed. Man that was a bad beat. Without ever having a single pocket pair or two paint cards, i finished on the bubble (of course!) and choose Omaha Hi/Lo for the game next week. Good job guys.

Are you wanting to play Pot Limit?

still recovering from the beat Kid put on me.





Yeah I was a 4:1 dog on that one. Oh well, I had a quasi-beat to get crippled and then a race to get knocked out the next hand.

Oh well, it was fun playing with some guys I (kinda) know. I will try to play as many of them as possible.

yeah that was awsome, i eventually took it down, mam03 and i went heads up, i had a pretty decent chip lead, and ended up catching him going all in on me- he had 33 i had QQ. great game guys, i hope fun was had by all. im going to asume its PLO8 that Norhas wants so ill go ahead and create it again so we all knnow to look for the same tourny name every week. same password as well. ummmmmmmmm, did you guys wanna keep it goin on Thursdays or would another night be better for everyone? i personally love Thursday at 10 Est

I really don't care at all. Next Thurs may not be good because of Thanksgiving.

maybe Friday night next week due to Thanksgiving, but every Thurday after that sounds good.

And if I win next week it will probably be due to sheer luck. I have played a little PLO Hi/Lo, but I will probably be the most inexperienced playing. I will have to practice a little this week, but I am looking forward to playing different games.

wow turkey day is next week, allready? thats awsome... ok Friday it is. friday 10pm est- unless i hear other wise ill create it tomorrow sometime- smae payout and table structure Norhas?

Same everything PLO Hi/Lo $10...9 was good for the first time but hopefully we can get ever more people playin...this would be awesome if it were bigger...

ok guys, tourny is up, www.pokerroom.com (http://www.pokerroom.com) -Private tables- kcRhyno's Tournament- password: discgolf
Friday Nov 25th day after thanksgiving, 10pm Est PLO8 $10 buy in. Choice made by Flying High aka Norhas99 aka bubbleboy.

Hey y'all, with the new rules and regs I will no longer be able to post here. I nominate Ryan and Danny to take over moderation of the thread. :D

I'll try to make Fridays tourney, but I will most likely be on the way back from Foxwoods then. If I can make it, I'm there.

If you want to chat poker with me, I am JDLush on www.bet-the-pot.com (http://www.bet-the-pot.com), or email me (dshoward-at-optonline-dot-net).

Till next time, may all your cards be live, and all your pots be monsters!!

what are the new rules and regs?

Wow, Dan I am gonna miss your posts on here. You are the most experienced poker player on this board. Please stay in touch.

Yes, it was nice having you around Dan...goodbye and good luck.

All day today, they are running "best of" segments on www.liveatthebike.com (http://www.liveatthebike.com)

Right now, Greg Raymer is doing guest commentary. Very informative and entertaining. I think the table is playing 5/10 NL.

I will be playing tonight- anyone else?

I have signed up. We need players!!!!

just a reminder PokerRoom.com - kcRhynos Tournament- password discgolf- PLO8- 10 est

I cant because im broke. Sucks because i picked the game too, lol. Next week tho!

i can understand why this week wouldnt be good for everyone anyways... if we dont get enough people for it im gonna cancell it, and we can continue next thursday.

Okay since there are only 2 people signed up (including me), I am gonna unregister. I heard about a juicy live game across town. I gotta go there.

We playing thursday?


Anyone else think it will only be 5 of us if we play PLO?

Yeah, that is typical. Anytime you play anything other than NLH, you find out who the real POKER players are. Everyone else are just Holdem players.

Ill play...i knew if i changed the game, people wouldnt want to play...but if it needs to be switched back, so be it.

Host on Pokerstars and I'm in.

what is wrong with PokerRoom?

If you want to play I could send you a voucher on PR and you could do the same for me on Stars. I want to start playing some tournaments on there soon anyways, but I haven't deposited yet. Let me know if you want to.

Unfortunately I'd say go NLHE as the standard, since them we might actually get more people in. I can understand why someone wouldn't want to play PLO if they don't know it well. I had a feeling I would be the underdog in that game, but that was ok with me(I like a challenge).

The software won't run on my computer for some reason. I have emailed their tech guys but got no response, so I do not play on Pokerroom. I may try to email them again this week. If I get it fixed I will probably take you up on your offer.

Umm, you don't have to download software to play on PokerRoom.

OK- I set it up

Tommorow night ,10pm. AceCR9's tournament.
password: discgolf

$10+1 buy in, normal payout structure(for PR)

NLHE(sorry, but I want more than 2 people).

Kid is right- just go to Pokerroom.com and click "PLAY NOW" and the Java program will run. You can play through the online program w/o downloading the software.

OK, I'll check on it after work. Thanks.

aceCR, i was wondering if i could keep creating our weekly game, theres a few golfers that dont read the posts on here, and dont know what room to look for. figured it would be easier for everyone to look for the same game and name every week... if not tahts cool too, i just cant always get ahold of some of em

ok. I don't care. I'd say keep it the same for this week, then you can do it from now. I just did it since you hadn't set one up yet.

Dan is registered already. I gyess he reads his poker corner, even though he can't post on it

50/100 NL game tonight on www.liveatthebike.com (http://www.liveatthebike.com)

That is a huge game! Check it out.

If anyone plays on Pokerstars I'll ship you $10 for $10 on Pokerroom. If anyone agrees, I am in.

If anyone plays on Pokerstars I'll ship you $10 for $10 on Pokerroom. If anyone agrees, I am in.



Actually, you need $11. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Can you play for free on Poker Stars?

I know. I've had that one dollar in pokerroom for almost a year now without touching it!

Is that 10pm eastern time?

I'll be there if so - just won my first tourney on pokerroom, so I've got some $ to play with.

I hang out in PR alot (username: ThumberAce) so if any golfers see me, say hello :D

Anybody play BOS Poker? The site is awesome with a few freerolls a day, I've never deposited money $ and always have cash in my account.

Yes, 9 PM CST.

M_cephalus- you have a PM about funds transfer.


yep- 10pm est

Got it. See you guys in few hours.

My stupid-[I'm a potty-mouth!] friend screwed me over. He wouldn't log off so I could register. I tried to join the tournament 10 seconds after it started. crap

Well, I am watching yall. It is so dumb that PR doesn't allow observer chat. Boo!

Luke takes it down. I got second. Only five players in total.

Played the $20 20k guranteed at 9 tonight. Rebought immediately.

JJ UTG- raise 3x BB, semi-short stack moves in, I call. He had 99. Flop 5,6,8 Turn 7! OUCH!

Ok still alive after the rebuy with slightly more than 1600( start stack 1500, mine became 3k cause I rebought). someone raises, I move in with AKs, button calls(he was short too) and so does the original raiser. button has AJ, early raiser has AQs. AJ flop tp, AQ turns a flush.


So, I want to keep playing- so I decide to play the $50 Long Kiss Goodnight. Kinda outside of my BR, but the $50 tourneys on PR are easier to beat than most $10 and definitely the $20k.

bout 20 min in I call along with like 6 others with 10's.
Flop: 4,7,8. checks to me and I bet about the size of the pot(just want to take it down now). get an EP caller. I was worried one of the blinds might have 5,6, but they fold. TURN- 10. I'm like- sweet! Most likely hands he has is an over PP(he did limp in EP, playing it like he could have one) or he flopped a lower set and now I have him. Decide to fire again knowing that anything he called with on the flop he will call now. He calls. RIVER- 5. I don't think he has been chasing(more than 1/3 of his stack is in the middle already. Deside to make a value bet and he min raises. I call. He turns over J6. He called over 1/3 of his stack with a gutshot! This is not a freeroll! It's a $50 tournament!

If you can stand a bunch of sick beats like that one, the $50 Daily tournaments on PR are VERY,VERY soft. I almost final tabled the 1st one I ever played, and that was before I had ever read a tournament book. Just played good hands hard. I am considering playing these tournaments every day once I get my BR up a bit over winter break. they are just too easy to cash in.

ahh yes the LKG, my favorite tourny, and youre right its pretty soft, but there are alot of good players in that event, that you dont necessarily want at your table. heres a few names to look out for if youre curious:: 10691069, C-Donkey, BerkleyBoss, cubfan7992, kcRhyno, LynzieDawn, irissoccer, those are jsut to name a few, i have a hole list here.
Ive been playn on PokerRoom for about a year now, and for a while it was my favorite site, but then i started realizing how many rediculous bad beats there are there..yes i know this is poker, and i know bad beats will happin in a casino and on another poker site, but the PokerRoom bad beats are more brutal than anything i have ever witnessed.....and its not only the bad beats, but its how common they are.
I also noticed this...now skeptics beware, and dont jump donw my neck saying im paranoid, but have you ever heard of the doomswitch?? if not heres what it is and why i believe that it DOES in fact exist, on pokerroom anyways. I have done really well in alot of good paying tournies on PR, and i then i like to keep waht i make and build my roll, but every now and then i like to take out a few houndo for the casino, well evry FREAKN time EVERY time, this is no joke, but when i cash out for however much i proceed to go on the worst bad run of bad beat streak for days, no matter waht i do i cant win anything, if all they need is one out they will hit every time, and it usually ends up that the doomswitch is kept on me untill i have lost for the amount that i cashed out for, or more. it just seems kinda fishy that every time i take money off of their site, this happens and the scary part is, IM NOT ALONE, this has happened to some of my close friends that do really well on there as well. so ive taken almost all my money out of there and transferd it to pacific and Full Tilt, which by the way is a kick [I'm a potty-mouth!] site, i palyed with Phil Gordon yesterday on there.


LikeButh, this bad beat story is for you, its not my worst but one of my most recent, happened 3 nights ago. its late in a tourny a 20 dollar one with some good players- there are about 23 people left im sittn in 3rd palce with a healthy chip stack, roughly 50k... I get KK in EP, and make a big [I'm a potty-mouth!] raise, MP calls, and short stack raises his last lilttle bit to go all in, i then reraise all in hopefully to get the other big stack at the table to fold. nope he calls and flips over AA and BAM just like that im knocked down to just under 20k in chips and went from penthouse to outhouse, not a bad beat i know, my KK ran into AA late in a tourny to take me from 3rd to 17th, so i still have chips and i proceed to make some really good moves and start pickn up some pots and all of a sudden i have 61k in chips and im now in 2nd place with 13 left to go. i can jsut cruise to the final 3 with this stack, but then i get KK again, SWEET!! its even in my BB, well guy near button raises (hes got 45k in chips) i reaise half hist stack, he goes all in, i call with KK and he flips over AA.... 2 times within 20 mins i get KK twice, and run into AA both times. cripples me and i dont even make the final table....this was 2 tournies after i cashed out.

Man, those are some bad beats.

If you think there are any more bad beats on there than anywhere else, you need to step back re-think that.

Everyone goes through variance periods. Suck it up and play well. It will pass.

I know. I just can't wait to finally not get sucked out on so I can win a few of the these. The only reason I was so [I'm a potty-mouth!] was because I really felt "on" last night. I knew I was playing my A game and would do really well. And then that crap happens. Always the next day though.

Another really good player on PR is tampabayjams. The $50's are like half donkey, 35% average. and 15% good players. Key is to figure out which is which.

Anybody play BOS Poker? The site is awesome with a few freerolls a day, I've never deposited money $ and always have cash in my account.



All you must have me on ignore or something, but has anybody tried this site?

never heard of it, i dont really care about freerolls, those are alot of landmine avoiding for only a few bucks, not really worth my time. yeah yeah i was waiting for someone to say suck it up bad beats streaks happen...... and unless you've first hand experianced it on PokerRoom, you wont understand what im talkn about.

Thanks Westa, I've tried pokerroom.com, it's cool, I just like BOS. Personally, I just started playing online, but I'd rather play in person so I just wanted some feedback from you guys on the online side of poker.

I'm not sure most people really understand what a bad beat is. AKs vs AQs wins 71.3% of the time. AKs vs AQs and AJs only wins a little bit over half the time. You're going to see these situations a lot during a tournament so of course it will happen. A bad beat is flopping top two pair and have an underpair spike a set on the river or having your flopped set go down to running straight cards.

...and unless you've first hand experianced it on PokerRoom, you wont understand what im talkn about.



blah, blah, blah. If there was no luck involved, then the suckers wouldn't play!

Do your best to always make the correct decisions and you will make money. In the end, everyone gets the same cards. The ones that play them the best will have all the money.

im up money in the long run, im not sayn bad beats are breaking me, im just telln you what the bad beats are like on pokerroom. they are way too often on crazy [I'm a potty-mouth!] odds. also a bad beat isnt just sayn well his Q9 beat my KK, its how the hand is played that determains if its a bad beat or not. ummm, rock, do u play online?

Hey Dave -

Havent played BOS - just pokerroom and paradise poker (won a seat in the free $million tomorrow - only need to beat about 5000 other players). Paradise kind of sucks except for all their freerolls and one buck entries. I like pokerroom. No bad beats for me yet.

Ever play at Commerce? they have some real suckers at the 1-2 and 2-4 tables. I try to get out there about once a month (combined with a visit to LaMa)

If you want to see bad beats go to PokerStars. You wont be disappointed. I guarantee it.

ummm, rock, do u play online?



Yes I play online. I have played on 9 different sites and log about 500 hands per day. I have played online for about 2 years and have over 100K hands in Poker Tracker.

OK, last night I whined a bit about some bad beats. Sorry guys.


Tonight I get to boast about finishing 3rd in the $50 Euro Daily tournament. 190 people. I took $950 for 3rd. By far my biggest payday yet. I did have some hands hold up(even when other guy got ahead, I came back). Last hand I had 2nd pr and eneded up all in(knew it was good too) against an open ended. he hit on the turn. Ran into some big hands and lost earlier in the money, but they were against shorter stacks.

I played very agressive( I am a conservateive player early on in tournaments) once we got within 20 of the cash and from then on. Did get caught on steals, but I also had a couple re-steals with absolute trash. All that stealing got me paid off when I had decent cards, but everyone folded EVERY TIME but once when I got a big PP. And then it was only a short stack.

Best part was I had withdrew some money to change to another site so I only had $120 in PR after playing a couple tourneys earlier in the day. I knew I shouldn't play a $50 tournament with $120, but I just felt like I was gonna final table it for sure. It was a lot of fun.

Good job Luke.

took 4th in the Daily $50 last night. Had some bad luck multiple times when we got 4 handed. The $50 tournaments on pokerroom ARE easier than the $10 ones. I swear!

Looks like my DG summer tour 06' will be sponsored by all the donkeys at PokerRoom. :D

nice job.