i will also note that the price of gas in those 17 years went down or stayed the same 12 times in December from November.

oil inventories see a larger drop in gasoline and distillates than expected, down 3.78 mio bbls and 3.56 mio bbls respectively. - excerpted from my news feed at forex.com

this means gasoline AND heating oil products are headed up. just in time for holiday driving and winter heating bills. but there's no conspiracy at all. you dont need a conspiracy to rig an oligopoly to maximize profits. freezing to death is collateral damage to XOM as they rake in b-b-b-billions in profits.

What the F !!!!!!!!!!!!

Current gas prices in San Diego went up again to $ 2.59.

That's almost 40 cents in 2 weeks !!!!!

What the F !!!!!!!!!!!!

Current gas prices in San Diego went up again to $ 2.59.

That's almost 40 cents in 2 weeks !!!!!



:eek: $2.59 is the CHEAPEST its been at the Shell station closest to my house in 6 months... :mad:
It currently $2.64... :mad::mad:

Dang Democratic Congress :p /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

What the F !!!!!!!!!!!!

Current gas prices in San Diego went up again to $ 2.59.

That's almost 40 cents in 2 weeks !!!!!



:eek: $2.59 is the CHEAPEST its been at the Shell station closest to my house in 6 months... :mad:
It currently $2.64... :mad::mad:

Dang Democratic Congress :p /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


Sorry but, I just filled up yesterday for $2.09 which is down 3 cents from Monday. :D

What the F !!!!!!!!!!!!

Current gas prices in San Diego went up again to $ 2.59.

That's almost 40 cents in 2 weeks !!!!!



:eek: $2.59 is the CHEAPEST its been at the Shell station closest to my house in 6 months... :mad:
It currently $2.64... :mad::mad:

Dang Democratic Congress :p /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Today , $ 2.69 a gallon .....................what's the deal ?

What the F !!!!!!!!!!!!

Current gas prices in San Diego went up again to $ 2.59.

That's almost 40 cents in 2 weeks !!!!!



:eek: $2.59 is the CHEAPEST its been at the Shell station closest to my house in 6 months... :mad:
It currently $2.64... :mad::mad:

Dang Democratic Congress :p /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Today , $ 2.69 a gallon .....................what's the deal ?



Holiday season.... summer surplus is depleted....economic supply and demand cycle, see how SUV sales doubled and tripled during October when prices dropped. The USA proved we didn't learn a thing about escalated gas prices and our behavior effecting the world gas supply.

But again, I don't really care anymore. My company pays for all my gas, and I have recently impressed the owner of the company so things are going pretty good.

But I do have a bit of empathy for the people making $8/hr and driving 20-30miles every day to get to work.... I don't know how they do it.

People who live closest to refineries get the lowest prices because the transportation costs are less. Kind of like me getting a better price on Discraft than you do because I can drive 20 miles and pick up my order at the factory.

Plus, there are some barriers to transportation like the Rocky Mountains. Not too many carriers take gasoline through the mountains.

So when you have a region like the Left Coast that has more environmentalists than per square foot than anywhere else in the world doing their best to thwart the construction of new refineries, you get to pay higher gas prices.

Better you than me. There is a pipeline from Texas that ends 90 miles from here. Our gas prices are always ten or twenty cents below the national average, but not 30 cents like in Texas.

I live in San Diego and gas here is about $ 2.69 a gallon.

I was up in Los Angles this past weekend and filled up my tank at $ 2.31 a gallon.

Why is it 20 -30+ cents cheaper in LA than San Diego ?

2.13 here in Tarboro, NC

1.99 here in Ft Worth!
Hooray for me!

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Whoah?!?!! Gas~price SMACK-TALK...!! :eek: :D

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2 bucks even in Tulsa right now.

no kiddin- I went to the oklahoma open last year and gas prices dropped 30 cents across the border, this year they did not drop at all once we crossed the border.

I don't keep up with OK prices, but in the past, Oklahoma had the least taxes on Gas than any other state. (But they have raised there Sales taxe sence that)

BTW $1.98 at Albertsons next to my store

Wow !!!!!!! Gas now in San Diego has gone up !!!! Seen Premium at $ 2.99 a gallon. Regular at $ 2.65 !!!!

2.22 here in Tarboro, NC

On the way back up a little here. Just filled up my wife's car for $2.19 per gallon at Valero.

$2.10 yesterday in Carrollton.

On the drive to FL and back, cheapest gas $2.09, highest gas $2.39. For the most part, the further away from Dallas, the higher the gas prices became. The highest gas was in FL near the I10 I75 turn.

$2.19 here in Lawrence, Kansas.

:mad:Seen gas today in San Diego at $ 3.05 a gallon !!!!!

there's been a gas station on my way home at 2.009 for 2 weeks. Now that I need gas, what's it at? 2.14! GRRR!

I've found a solution to disc golf/gas woes! Challenge your opponent to whatever the amount was for your share of gas... and beat him! 210 miles driven in the past two days to play disc... $0.00 spent on gas and I'm right back where I started in terms of how full my tank is! I have found a solution! Yay!

2.28 in Tarboro

:mad:Only Freeekken gas that is more EXPENSIVE is in Hawaii.

It is running around 2.60 for regular here in Portland metro........... :confused: :mad:

:mad: Seen Gas today , 12/27/06 , one and a half miles from my house...............$ 3.29 a gallon !!!!!! :eek:

is this website still banned? www.#$*&$!.com (http://www.#$*&$!.com)

$2.03 in Lawrence Kansas today. :cool::mad:

Filled up yesterday using my Dillon's grocery store saving's card for $1.979 ~> $.10/gallon discount!

Filled up yesterday using my Dillon's grocery store saving's card for $1.979 ~> $.10/gallon discount!



****, Doc....I just filled up for $2.05/gal....on the Missouri side. I thought gas was always like 10 cents more expensive in Kansas.

Ya need to getcha a Dillon's card, then spend over $100 for groceries...THEN you get a $.10/gallon DISCount. Right now you must be imagining my glee when I saved a whole $1.30... /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :D

2.03 here in Tarboro

$1.969 here...

certain things are very inexpensive in mountains of British Columbia, but gas is NOT one of them! About $3.50 US a gallon. (can you say taxes?)

Dohhhhhhhh !!!!!!! Seen gas today at a full serve station , just north of where I live .........................$ 3.79.99 a gallon !!!!! :eek: That's the most expensive I have seen this season so far !!!! :p

Toledo Ohio is hovering around the $1.90 mark for regular. I see either $1.89 or $1.91 depending where in town I am.

Ya need to getcha a Dillon's card, then spend over $100 for groceries...THEN you get a $.10/gallon DISCount. Right now you must be imagining my glee when I saved a whole $1.30... /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :D

My parents spend enough at Kroger (with my brother, both of them, sister, her baby, and two dogs) that they get four $0.25/gallon discounts per month. I make the 30 minute drive home once a month just to fill up with a discount. Doing it Sunday actually :)

With prices at $1.89 last I saw at that Kroger, I could be paying ~$1.65/gallon in two days... oh the joy I will feel!

$1.76 in Topeka, Kansas :eek: :cool:

Dern, and I thought I had it good as I 'just' filled up at $1.89... :o

$1.93 today by my store. There was a pretty good line.

1.96 here in Tarboro

$ 2.65 a mile from where I live. Up north , seen $ 3.69 for full serve still !!!! :eek:

Price is on the way back up again. Just filled up yesterday for $1.98 a gallon.

back up here in Tarboro to 2.14

I hope to find gas today in San Diego for under $ 2.50 a gallon !!!!

filled up wednesday night for $2.05 :(

It was $2.02 for me Wednesday night

On this thread only, I HATE EVERYONE FROM TEXAS!!!

:D

Ahhhhh, come on, Bruce, are you sure it is just on THIS thread :D

How much is gas in Michigan?

1.99 two blocks from my house...

side note - gas was over 3.00 a gallon two years ago when i visited hawaii, i bet it's outrageous now!

$2.71 in Hawaii as the lowest, with most around $2.87.

$2.03 here in Oklahoma. ;)

$2.71 in Hawaii as the lowest, with most around $2.87.

$2.03 here in Oklahoma. ;)



$ 2.79 and up , here in San Diego today !!!!!

$2.71 in Hawaii as the lowest, with most around $2.87.

$2.03 here in Oklahoma. ;)



$ 2.79 and up , here in San Diego today !!!!!



Well over $ 3.00 a gallon for Diesel fuel !!!!! :eek:

2.37 here in Tarboro

$2.34/diesel in knoxvegas. Good thing I get 40+/mpg in the city!

jumped to 2.41 today

The future price of gas has jumps from the 130's to the 190's in the last 2 weeks.

Funny thing is, we have more fuel in reserves than anytime in the last few years. There is no reason what so ever for gas to shoot up other than it will make more people demand higher gas milage cars.

The car companies are working on cars with fuel generators, but the car runs on electricity. If you drive less then 40 miles per day, your gas milage would be no gas per mile :D

The main problem is batteries.

Gas price's here in San Diego have jumped $0.38 + per gallon in a couple of weeks.

Cheapest place now is $ 3.09 Place down the street is $ 3.49 a gallon !!!! :eek:

53 cents a gallon here in 4.5 weeks at best 72 cents at some places....
but at least now it's our(drivers)fault :p
they couldn't blame it on anything else, so they just sadi "whoops" it's your turn to get blamed :eek:

Read an interesting fact today:

24% of all hybrid car owners also own an SUV.

Yuppies.

Read an interesting fact today:

24% of all hybrid car owners also own an SUV.



I'd like to compare that to the percentage of multiple vehicle owners that don't own a hybrid and own at least one SUV.


The roads I drive on say it's higher than 24%.

Dang, a drive a car in Plano and you are in the 25% field. Drive a car worth less than $20K and you are even smaller.

Who am i to talk, I have a 4X4 Nissan Frontier and Nissan Exterra.

price has not changed here in 9 days, still 2.41

I would agree it's higher than 24%. But it doesn't have that same irony to it, because those multiple car/suv owners aren't the ones making a big stink about saving the enviroment, etc. etc.

I drive a Hybrid SUV.

Which one? We seriously thought about the Hybrid Highlander, but bought a Matrix instead. I still want the Highlander, so maybe the next vehicle.

It is a Toyota Highlander Hybrid. I love it and I love the gas mileage. I would highly recommend it if you need a vehicle that seats 7 (mini van) or you like to haul lots of stuff.

Cool, glad to hear the great review. I still lean toward it for the next vehicle. We are happy with the Matrix. It is not hybrid, but being smaller and lower to the ground, it gets pretty good mileage.
My husband's silly reason for not getting the Highlander was no a/c in the back. Well, it's not that big of an SUV, so I agree with the manufacturer/salesmen that probably don't need rear ac vents. Those Texas summers do get HOT though, so he may have a point. We don't want the baby and the dogs to get too hot in the back.

yea, that is one thing we don't like about the Exterra, it has heater vents under the front seats, but no vents for A/C. Of course I could cool the feet of the back seat riders.

In Texas, A/C is a MUST.

As far as SUV Hybreds, $5000 for 2 extra miles per gallon???? (unless the Toyota is better)

I am waiting for the electric cars to start hitting the market in a few years. They will have small generators for long halls. But if you just drive around town, no gas needed.

The problem with electric is the fact that Texas went from one of the lowest electric cost states to one of the highest. You can't blame deregulation because the prices jumped up before full deregulation kicked in.

In fact, in the last 3 months sence deregulation kicked in, prices have dropped at least 2 cents per KWH. (this is based on what sales people have been offering me for electric billing)

(I signed a contract last spring at 9.9 cents, at the time I was paying Reliant 15.4 cents, Reliant came in and offered me 9.2 in Febuary, another company offered me 8.1 last week. Unfortunatly, I am under contract for 2 more years)

Opps, sorry, the Toyota cost $7K to $8K more for the hybrid.

You should be getting about 5 miles per gallon better in real driving. Now based on what others have been saying, if you really play and watch the electric to gas gage, you might get 30 MPG.

I like how the hybrids all get better gas milage in the city than on the highway.

Ok, if you do get the 5 miles per gallon better, you wasted a lot of money on your engine..

If you get 10 miles per gallon better, you STILL wasted money. In 100K miles you would save about $4,000 getting 10 miles per gallon better spending $7-8K more for the hybrid.

Ok, but I get better emissions.......... A new car puts out about the same emissions as dropping a table spoon of gas on the ground.

In other words, if you spill a tablespoon of gas when filling up your lawn mower, you just poluted as much as your new car does IN A YEAR. :o

Its all hype.

If you get 10 miles per gallon better, you STILL wasted money. In 100K miles you would save about $4,000 getting 10 miles per gallon better spending $7-8K more for the hybrid.




Yeah but gas is still cheap. That price is going up significantly by the beginning of summer. If Saudia Arabia can't reverse their decline in oil production it will get MUCH more expensive. As it is Mexico is already having difficulties meeting its export obligation to our Gulf of Mexico refineries because their Canterell oilfield is depleted and in steep decline. The two are our second and third biggest sources of crude. Driving will be very expensive this summer.

Gas would have to be $4.25 per gallon to break even if you get 10 more miles per gallon

Gas would have to be $7 per gallon if you get the real time driving savings of 5 mpg.

sshhhsh! someone may hear you and raise the price of gas to $7/gallon ;)

People change their driving habits to increase mpg when it gas gets that expensive. The effects of these changes are more dramatic with hybrid vehicles. Ultimately however there just aren't enough hybrids to make much of an impact. We are also much closer to $4+/gallon than you might think.

That is one reason we actually used less gas in 2006 than in 2005 in this country. (yet the oil companies had there best year ever)

I get 14 miles per gallon better than my previous car. I can get up to 30 MPG in the city. The regular Highlander gets 19. This Highlander has extreme get up and go, the horsepower is awesome. I can still get good mileage even when I drive as fast as I want.

Since I use the extra space for gear more than people, the A/C isn't an issue for me. (Of course no rear A/C isn't an issue for me anyway since I sit in the front where the vents are!!! Those darn kids don't need A/C anyway...ungrateful snots.) ;) :p

Seen a gas price yesterday in San Diego County , for full serve premium.................$ 3.99 a gallon !!!! :eek:

2.47 here in Tarboro, NC

$2.41 in Lawrence.

$2.41 in Lawrence.



:eek: That's a dollar less , per gallon , than San Diego's prices !!!!!

$2.65 was the best I could find today

2.73 in Tarboro, NC

2.59!! :confused:

its gone up twenty cents in one week to 2.75 for the cheap stuff. SLC utah :mad:

I hate paying more money for gas as much as the next guy, particularly since my current part-time job is driving a taxi and spending $30-$40 a day.

I strongly believe, however, that our historically LOW (compared to much of the world, Europe in particular) gas prices have caused some of our biggest societal problems.

Pollution, gridlock, lack of decent public transportation in all but a handful of our major cities, sprawl, poor fuel economy and more are all a direct result of the fact that the we've never paid the true cost of using a gallon of gasoline.

It's a very tough political sell, but I feel the single best move we could make towards a better long-term national energy policy would be to plan a phased increase in the gasoline tax. These monies would be used exlusively for energy/pollution R&D, environmental clean-up, and public transportation.

For example:
Years 1-5, an increase of 7 cents per gallon per year.
Years 6-10 an increase of 15 cents per gallon per year.
Years 11-15 an increase of 30 cents per gallon per year.

These increases won't crush anyone in the short term and will allow people to demand better fuel economy from future vehicle purchases. It will also make communities, states, etc. give serious consideration to real public transportation.

Currently the average fuel economy for our entire national fleet of passenger vehicles is 20mpg. If we increased that to 30mpg, given the total number of miles we currently drive, we'd need zero foreign oil.

I haven't heard any real solutions proposed by any of our crop of presidential candidates. I hear tax the oil companies for making profits, ethanol, hydrogen, clean energy, energy independence all being tossed around, but they are campaign slogans and not solutions. Nobody is putting out any real vision on this issue, not that I blame them for not wanting to throw away $25million on a "wasted" presidential bid.

Darn, I just listed every country that has better gas prices than us and the stupid board said

The form you have submitted is no longer valid.

When I hit back, it was all gone :(

I have been telling folks , the price of your gas is about a dollar less per gallon , than here in San Diego.

Price here is about $ 3.49 a gallon. Premium is $ 3.79

Senate and Government look the other way because they get money from the gas companys. :p

My presidential canidate would take off all federal gas taxes.


however, I do support a Gas tax that is used for roads and roads only. Have the ones that use them, pay for them.

The problem, is government would use the money for other things. Take for instance the Texas Lotto. It was passed the vote because they (the Texas State Government) said the money would be put into the state education fund.

Was it, of course not, it is put into the general fund and does not get all spent on education.

BTW, Texas had a 15,000,000,000 surplus this last year. And they raised my State Income Tax for next year :mad: (Texas has a Franchise Tax on businesses. It is based on profits I make, profits I make are my income, therefor I have to pay State Franchisee tax on my income I don't see on my paycheck)

$3.02 - $3.05 here in Lawrence, KS... :mad:

.......saw my first over three for regular this morning at $3.05, western NC....... :confused:

Closest to me is $3.71. Good thing I don't really need a car.

Cost me $84.00 to fillup this morning. $3.09per gallon :o

Cheap gas around Chicago (outside of the city) is $3.30, gas in the city is $3.70 or so.

Still cheaper than it really should be (see Denny's comment above)

Filled up my take for $44 yesterday ($2.94) I saw it for $2.87 but did not have enough gas to get by that station.

in the Republican Debate last night, they asked on of the canidates what he would do about higher gas prices. Part of his answer was to increase Ethenol?????????????

That is the worst thing we could do. It would cause more polution and increases prices for everything else. Corn prices are higher now than they have ever been. Because of this, beef, milk, and anyhing made with corn prices are going up.

It's Official !!!! Just seen gasoline prices here in California .....................$ 4.29 a gallon !!!!! :eek:

I filled up today at $2.88 in Raleigh, NC. Other stations here are as high as $3.10 though.

ug, the station I got gas from yesterday dropped to 2.89 today :(

$3.17 today...............ugh. It now costs me a buck+ ($1.00+) to go 7 miles...jeez. :mad::mad::mad:

$3.17 today...............ugh. It now costs me a buck+ ($1.00+) to go 7 miles...jeez. :mad::mad::mad:



I thank the Lord that the commute for me is three feet.

**** gas prices!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, last week, Wednesday I filled up at 2.94, then the price dropped to $2.89 on Thursday. Friday, the very next day, the gas price was $3.09. Yesterday the same station was at $3.04.

$3.17 today...............ugh. It now costs me a buck+ ($1.00+) to go 7 miles...jeez. :mad::mad::mad:



I thank the Lord that the commute for me is three feet.


I thank the Lord that I got a deal on a motorcycle 2 years ago so I can afford gas without having to drive a fabulous hybrid.

3.45 a gallon out here in MI for regular!!! I deliver Pizza for a living and its looking more and more like im going to have to find a new job because my tips and run money arent even paying for my gas anymore!!! And god knows 6.95 an hour isnt cutting it!!!

$3.74 next door to my house in Chicago this morning! Over $4.00 for premium.

how much are you getting per delivery??????

4 years ago, I started paying my drivers based on gas prices. 2 years ago it got so high, I rolled it over into a deliver charge.

This week my drivers are getting $1.38 per delivery. Add this to the $2.80 average tip per delivery and they do OK. However I only have one driver making more than $6 per hour. (most of my drivers have been here less than 6 months)

We are making 50 cents a delivery but I am making 6.95 an hour. The thing is we have a pretty large delivery area and im not even close to averaging 2.80 on tips......I have been working for the company about a year now but the thing is I spend almost 300 dollars a month in gas and im the opening driver so I get 5 deliveries a day if Im lucky. So really my tips and run money barely cover my gas to deliver if they do at all........So at this point im asking for a raise and looking for a night job so I can play more disc golf tournaments.

Oh I forgot to mention or delivery charge is 3.25 and we are only getting 50 cents of it. :mad::mad::mad:

Check out www.tipthepizzaguy.com (http://www.tipthepizzaguy.com)

You need to get more per delivery or quit. Go find a mom/pop delivery place. They will pay more and not treat you like a number. Find a higher dollar place and your tips will reflect it. When you sell cheap pizzas, you get cheap customers.

on top of that, most pizza shops hire for evening work. The day shifts suck. I have had several disc golfers work for me over the years. Including 3 casual players right now.

Nice website

Let's see I get 6.30 an hour plus 1.53 per delivery(which might be going up soon) plus tips. I usually avg around 13.00 and hour. for 40 hours.

I need to get a different part time job and have thought about going back to "flyin' pies" as my buddy used to call it, but hate to worry about the old car breakin' down.

Back in the day I got 5% per delivery fee, averaged $2 per delivery in tips, which may not have been a lot, but we were busy.

In a 11 hour shift I averaged 65 deliveries per shift, with my personal record being 90. (The store record was 105 deliveries in a 11 hour shift). Of course 4 years of working 'til 5am got old, but the job did have it's perks - muggles.

(Pizza House, in A2, if you're curious Mr. Rookie)

I work the Open shift so I roll dough and do sheet outs for those of you who know what that is........No other drivers during the week do that.......I work monday threw friday noon till 7 or 8 and if im lucky I will get maybe 8 deliveries a shift and im lucky when I get 8 to walk out with 25 dollars........Mind you thats tips AND run money........The most deliveries I have ever taken in 1 shift was 19 and I worked all day by myself.........Im in the process of asking for a raise and a raise in run money and if things do not change I will be looking for a different job in the near future!!! Thanks for sharing the website I will most likely be ordering a sticker from them and placing it on my vehicle.

We need drivers down here Millz, come on down, I gots a room you can stay at, For a while.

down to 2.95 here in Tarboro.

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/na200702_5day.html#a_topad

So now we have to worry about them in the other gulf as well...

Try $1.25 a litre! With the conversion from Metric to Imperial we are close to $4.00 a gallon here in B.C.!

down to 2.86 here in Tarboro

I paid 3.02 today. Cheapest I've paid in a long time.

2.79 in Tarboro

$2.85 here in Lawrence...yet Topeka, just 22 miles form here, has one station at $2.69!

yep, I saw $2.82 yesterday. I have not been keeping up with it that much lately.

Cheese prices have skyrocketed. over 60 cents per pound in the last 2 months. That cost me over $300 per week more for food.

Still 3.18 up here!!! Its killing me!!! But I did get a 35 dollar tip today!!! :D:D:D

nice, I got a 25 dollar tip last week

Ha! I got a $60 tip and lunch today!!! :D

I didn't bill the guy anything because I was telling him not to take the case because venue was in a distant state. He appreciated the opportunity not to commit malpractice and now I have entry fee money. :cool:

I got another 200 plus dollar order im taking tomorrow morning and they already put a 35 dollar tip on there as well!!! If they keep coming like this I wont have any problem making it to Warwick this year

I am sure you will be able to stay at Steve and Lesli's for the weekend of Warwick

That would be awesome.......Ill shoot a text to Lesli tonight........Oh and I made 65 dollars on 2 runs this morning which is why im on my computer so early in the day!!!

Warwick here I come :D:D:D

All You Can Eat Pancakes At Gas Price Per Gallon !!! (http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/06-21-2007/0004612675&EDATE)

Gas is going back up again. I got lucky and filled up my pick-up at $2.82 a gallon for a total of $58 just before they raised the price by 10 cents. :eek: :D

3.39 here in MI!!!

$2.57 here in Lawrence, Kansas.

gas prices were announced today to rise over $100/barrel. crap.

I wish gas prices were $100 a barrel. Unfortunately those are crude oil prices, and I can't run my car on crude oil.

3.01 here in Tarboro

$3.12 this morning in Pittsburgh... what a joke. I need a suga' mama!

Time to bring this thread back.

$3.77 in Rancho Cucamonga for the past week or so.

Until you're paying $6.72 (Wiesendangen, Switzerland this morning), I don't think you should post on this thread!! :D

$3.35 in Carrollton.

oil hit an all time high yesterday of nearly $115

That puts the national average near $3.55 coming soon to a pump near you

Time to bring this thread back.

$3.77 in Rancho Cucamonga for the past week or so.


Today in Temecula (just a little south of R.C.) $3.71 at ARCO, for the cheap stuff. In San Diego County; about 15 cents/gal higher. :mad:

Glad I don't live on the Left Coast.
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff210/28003/gasprices.jpg

15 cent jump to $4.149 in downtown this morning. Wow!

28003... can you get a more recent chart showing prices? I imagine alot of yellow will now be red and green should almost be gone, well except for B.F.E. areas where gas isnt even readily sold.

http://www.wtrg.com/oil_graphs/oilprice1947.gif


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Kicking myself for not buying $10,000+ worth in 1998. :(

In the last week or so gas in Des Moines went from 3.35 to 3.42 to 3.33 to 3.46 and is now at 3.57. Obviously not as bad as many places in the country, but still blows!!

I filled up yesterday for $3.55, but it is $3.62 by my store.

oil topped $124 yesterday, I have not checked it out yet today.

I have a fairly large bet with someone that it will pass $150(NYMEX) this year.

WTI just under 126. Tapis over 131. All before Memorial day. Go buy a bike.

www.upstreamonline.com/market_data/?id=markets_crude (http://www.upstreamonline.com/market_data/?id=markets_crude)

Go buy a bike.

www.upstreamonline.com/market_data/?id=markets_crude (http://www.upstreamonline.com/market_data/?id=markets_crude)



yeah baby! i bought one yesterday with my economic stimulus check :)

I'm driving 120 miles a day right now for work. Bad time to be transferred to Ft. Worth. Anybody wanna buy a house? :(

$3.85 here in Sacramento at the Arco by my house.

Again, quit complaining!

$7.30 here (Wiesendangen, Switzerland) yesterday.

Again, quit complaining!

$7.30 here (Wiesendangen, Switzerland) yesterday.



Is that for a US Gallon?

I don't think folks are complaining, as much as they are comparing gas prices around the US. It always makes folks in the rest of the US feel better to see how much we pay for gas in California.

Again, quit complaining!

$7.30 here (Wiesendangen, Switzerland) yesterday.




If its that bad, then come back home. :p

i was just going to say the same thing... come back to Charlotte... its 'only' around $3.65 here! ;)

btw... here's a world list of gas prices... we can all hate on Venezuelans a little over 17 cents a gallon!!!!




world gas prices (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_usage_and_pricing)

I just had this sent to me - makes sense, so I'm passing it along.

TIPS ON PUMPING GAS

I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline.... but here in California we are paying up to $3.75 to $4.10 per gallon. My line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth for every gallon:

Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose, CA we deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline.. One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and gasoline, regular and premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of 16,800,000 gallons.

Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role.< /B>

A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.

When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and high. You should be pumping on low mode, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some of the liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money.

One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL. The reason for this is the more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact amount.

Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up; most likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom.



To have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers. It's really simple to do.

I'm sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)...and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers !!!!!!! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted!

If I t goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. How long would it take?

I think I just reached more than 10 people!

Check this out, listen to what the Democratic Congress Woman says.

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The news guy said it best, sound like Chavez or even Iran.

They will eventually be nationalized. If you think people are angry now wait until 2010 when scheduled megaprojects coming online can't match existing depletion rates. There won't be enough digits on the pumps.

The Auto companies finally see the writing on the wall.



GM is working on a Hydrogen fueled car with Shell Oil.

GM also has the new Volt plug in hybrid coming out in 2010

Nissan expects Electric Cars to outsell gas in 10 years and is gearing up for it.

Honda just invested in a new battery plant.

Toyota to increase lead in Hybred cars (http://www.usnews.com/articles/business/economy/2008/05/27/how-toyota-plans-to-survive-4--make-that-5--gas-.html)
Toyota and other Japan automakers invest more in batteries (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080527/AUTO01/805270380/1148/rss25)

I told you guys over a year ago that adding Ethanol to our gas was a bad idea. Well someone is finally noticing.

Oregon gets it now (http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1211433909137150.xml&amp;coll=7)

The USPS gets it (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601072&amp;sid=aj.h0coJSkpw&amp;refer=energy)

Even an AP article in the Houston paper (http://www.insideautomotive.com/)

The Auto companies finally see the writing on the wall.



Conversely, I think it is the oil companies who see the writing on the wall. With more and more alternative fuels being developed, I think big oil is sticking it to us while they can.

For the first time in over ten years there were no Memorial Day weekend fatalities on the roads in Oklahoma. I think it's bcuz everyone did the ole "staycation" thing rather than a "vacation".

Conversely, I think it is the oil companies who see the writing on the wall. With more and more alternative fuels being developed, I think big oil is sticking it to us while they can.



The energy contained in a barrel of oil is roughly equivalent to 25000 man hours of labor. That equates to just under 600 man hours of labor for each gallon of gasoline. There is absolutely nothing that can replace it. It is going to get much, much more expensive.

Ok, on the high Oil prices. It is not really demand driving it right now. In fact Iran has run out of room to store the oil they have pumped, they have oil sitting in oil tanker waiting too be sold.

Oil prices drop despite supply concerns (http://www.salon.com/wires/ap/business/2008/05/28/D90UI1GO1_oil_prices/index.html)

In that article you read where the current drop may be from the gaining dollar last week.

Now read this article



US-made oil disaster has mileage (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JE29Dj02.html)


In response to the collapse of the credit and speculation boom, the Fed has set a deliberate re-inflationary objective in order to reverse falling asset prices. It has aggressively resumed its expansionary monetary policy since August 2007, cutting the federal funds rate from 5.25% to 2% with a consequent faster expansion of money supply, resulting in a rapidly depreciating dollar and disrupting stability in commodity markets, propelling oil prices from US$65 to $135 per barrel.

A depreciating dollar and rising oil prices have gone hand-in-hand. Oil prices are quoted in dollars; a falling dollar results in an increasing dollar price for oil.

n large part because of the Fed's actions above and more specifically because of low or negative real interest rates, a falling dollar, economic uncertainty and volatility, investors and speculators have exacerbated market conditions. With low or negative real interest rates and a depreciating dollar, investors have been reluctant to accumulate dollar-denominated assets



Then the article goes into the US Foriegn policies and how they effect the Oil supply


Fed policies may be difficult to turn around; a drastic change in US political policies towards the region may be even more problematic but even more necessary. But such a change could calm global energy markets and go far towards restoring economic prosperity and social order to the world.

I love how the arguments have moved from lack of refining capacity(which makes absolutely no sense) to the falling dollar(partially true but not nearly to the extent some would have you believe) to speculation. This is kind of funny.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=753754816&amp;play=1

refining capacity - has a lot to do with high gas price....... last year. Right now only diesel is the only Demand side high price. The low sulfur diesel is in short supply, we don't have the refinery capability to keep up with demand. This is BECAUSE of government regulation. If either the government would allow some regular diesel to be imported or refined, diesel prices would go down.

Last year, refineries had to gear up for 10 percent Ethanol gas. This took time. Another Government caused shortage.

the falling dollar - it is actually about 50 percent of the increase in the last year is directly due to the falling dollar, it says so in the second article in my last post.


speculation - has lot to do with that other 50 percent price increase.

Read that second article in my last post, it does a very good explanation of why oil prices are high and what made them as high as they are now. It covered everything in your post.

If we didn't have the refining capacity wouldn't that act to depress the price of oil? Isn't that classical supply and demand? Has the value of the dollar dropped by 90% in the last decade? Why is the crack spread so low?

11 dollar jump in crude oil today...largest 1 day jump in history...Ouch!

Cool - I'm on probation after 13 years of being a PDGA member for correcting deathbypar and using the "a &amp; b" words, yes only the "a &amp; b" words and saying that gas going up did what a vacuum does, I did not personally attack anyone on this board, or anyone except oil SPECULATORS.

I really used to think that some of the stuff posted here SHOULD be yanked before people saw it, but I guess the moderators don't want anyone to know gas prices are rising.

Thanks for proving what all the conspiracy theorists are saying about the moderators.
By the way I've appealed to Shive, and I'll see what happens, but if everyone elses stories on here are true, by appealing I'll probably be suspended , because I've upset someone.

I guess the one moderator I called out in public before for lying is upset about something and feels the need to take it out on someone who has actually supported the PDGA for YEARS with dollars, sweat and time.
Lets see if that continues.

Thanks for making the 2 year anniversary of my mom's passing more fun.

I'm saving this post in case any of them try to change it or use it as phase 2.

Thanks you "B's"

Keith

I guess I'll just stick with tennis in the misc thread from now on. :D

See for yourself, we have more oil inventories than earlier this year (http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/wcestus1w.htm)

In fact, we have more inventory of oil than we did in most of 1999 to 2005.

Ed Wallace always has a way to put things into perspective (http://www.star-telegram.com/ed_wallace/story/681780.html)

House bill H.R. 2415, short-titled the "Affordable Gas Price Act," introduced by Rep. Ron Paul on May 21, 2007, purportedly would reduce the price of gasoline by:

* Allowing for offshore drilling in areas previously forbidden.
* Eliminating Federal obstacles to constructing refineries and providing incentives for investment in refineries.
* Suspending Federal fuel taxes when gasoline prices reach a benchmark amount.
* Promoting free trade with oil producing countries that outdated policies have prevented.

H.R. 2415 is a compilation of proposals for a free market approach to dealing with America's gasoline crisis. The bill deserves cosponsorship support so that it will receive committee action.

Sec. 9 of H.R. 2415 calls for the U.S. Treasury and the Federal Reserve to produce a report on the relationship between the increase in our fiat money supply and the rise in the price of oil. Such a report would be vital in assessing the federal government's responsibility for rising prices. Inflationary Federal Reserve policy encourages speculation that drives oil prices higher than a tightening supply alone.

Ask your congressman to cosponsor H.R. 2415 and help get this bill out of committee and to the House floor for a vote.

House bill H.R. 39, short titled the �Udall-Eisenhower Arctic Wilderness Act� was introduced on Jan. 4 2007 by Rep. Edward Markey (D-MA). The official title of the bill states its purpose:

To preserve the Arctic coastal plain of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, Alaska, as wilderness in recognition of its extraordinary natural ecosystems and for the permanent good of present and future generations of Americans.

Despite American's mounting energy crisis an item in H.R. 39 rules out the harvesting of oil from the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and coastal plain to supplement U.S. needs:

(6) A majority of Americans have supported and continue to support preserving and protecting the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, including the Arctic coastal plain, from any industrial development and consider oil and gas exploration and development in particular to be incompatible with the purposes for which this incomparable wilderness ecosystem has been set aside.

Instead of preparing to minimize the economic trauma to America of an increasingly likely global oil crisis many in Washington continue their quest for a socialist utopia through the cause of environmentalism. As gas tops $4.00 on the way to much higher, this is no time for Americans to let elitist social engineers put a permanent lock on what is probably the largest untapped oil field remaining in America. Oppose H.R. 39.



Please, to take action on these issues with your congressman, click here

TAKE ACTION (http://capwiz.com/jbs/issues/alert/?alertid=11448081&amp;type=CO)

REMEMBER, if you do nothing, nothing will be done.

I guess I'll just stick with tennis in the misc thread from now on. :D



Pretty ironic that the post I made stating a fact 4 days ago, which got me double secret probation from our lovely moderators(have I mentioned that all of them are truthful and never lie, even in PM's asking why I'm calling them a liar :p ) is now all over the national news like it was some big secret.

Speculators(those very nice people :p) are the ONLY ones deciding our gas prices, nothing in the market, or the world, JUST SPECULATORS (have I said how nice those guys are? :p :eek:)

OK - that should be PC enough for even Mr. Shive, who obviously can't read what is written to him, or just chooses to ignore it, as it is easier to hide from what you are not looking at than have a spine.

If not I'll guess I'll see everyone in 3 weeks. :D

Another big draw from the US crude inventories this week. I guess that fog never cleared in Houston.

OK - that should be PC enough for even Mr. Shive, who obviously can't read what is written to him, or just chooses to ignore it, as it is easier to hide from what you are not looking at than have a spine.



whats that insurance commercial out now?!?.... it goes something like "I'm there"...

yeah, I'm there.... I never got any response either to my email. My email wasnt anything involving fighting my probation or you guys are jerks for pulling my post, etc.... it was involving an error made in informing me of my suspension that I feel violated my privacy and in turn should yield answers. None as of yet from our mod staff. surprise surprise

and as far as gas goes, $4 SUCKS! Im so glad I have Public Transportation available to me for my commute to and from work.

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Mine are currrently avg. around 3.10 a gallon.



Brian, What are they now that it's close to 3 years later? We are paying $3.88+ in the Dallas/Fort Worth area today (6/11/08) :confused:

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Gas at $4.00 a gallon. Who�s to blame?

Thanks to the environmentalist lobby and its influence on legislators in Congress, the U.S. has, for decades, been prohibited from drilling for oil in places that we know contain billions of barrels of proven reserves (we can only drill in the green area whereas the yellow areas show where international drilling is allowed). All of the �NO� zones are places where the U.S. is prohibited from drilling for oil.


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Yes, that�s right � China and Cuba are actively exploring oil fields 50 miles from Key West, Florida while U.S. companies are barred from working in this area because of U.S. policy . So, instead of allowing the most environmentally responsible companies to operate there and increase our domestic supply, China , who has a dismal environmental record, is preparing to suck our close, lucrative oil reserves dry.

Unbelievable.

Investor's Business Daily recently explained how irresponsible the US Congress have been on the energy crisis. They lay into what they consider to be the worst Congress ever for �..

~ Failing to allow drilling in ANWR. We have, as President Bush noted, estimated capacity of a million barrels of oil a day from this source alone -- enough for 27 million gallons of gas and diesel. But Congress won't touch it, fearful of the clout of the environmental lobby. As a result, you pay through the nose at the pump so your representative can raise campaign cash.

~ Refusing to build new refineries. The U.S. hasn't built one since 1976, (Memo Edit: not mention the 160+ refineries shut down in this time period) yet the EPA requires at least 15 unique 'boutique' fuel blends that can be sold in different areas around the nation. This means that U.S. refinery capacity is stretched so tight that even the slightest problem at a refinery causes enormous supply problems and price spikes. Congress has done nothing about this.

~Turning its back on nuclear power. It's safe and, with advances in nuclear reprocessing technology, waste problems have been minimized. Still, we have just 104 nuclear plants -- the same as a decade ago -- producing just 19% of our total energy. (Many European nations produce 40% or more of their power with nuclear.) Granted, nuclear power plants are expensive -- about $3 billion each. But they produce energy at $1.72/kilowatt-hour vs. $2.37 for coal and $6.35 for natural gas.

~ Raising taxes on energy producers. This is where a basic understanding of economics would help: Higher taxes and needless regulation lead to less production of a commodity. So by proposing 'windfall' and other taxes on energy companies plus tough new rules, Congress only makes our energy situation worse.

These are just a few of Congress' sins of omission -- all while India , China , Eastern Europe and the Middle East are adding more than a million barrels of new demand each and every year. New Energy Department forecasts see world oil demand growing 40% by 2030, including a 28% increase in the U.S.

Americans who are worried about the direction of their country, including runaway energy and food prices, should keep in mind the upcoming election isn't just about choosing a new president. We'll also pick a new Congress.

Unfortunately politics do not trump geology. We know which types of sedimentary basins are likely to yield oil. ANWR has by optimistic estimates about 15 billion barrels of oil. It's likely to take upwards of a decade to reach peak production of about 1 mmbd. By that time it will probably be used for chemical feed stock rather than gasoline. Conservation is the best option at this point.

Anybody have a motorcycle for sale? seriously......

The Problem With Ethanol

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Bush asked congress again today to open up off shore drilling and for drilling in ANWR.

McCain is starting to come around and stated today in Houston that we should look at drilling off shore.

The naysayers say things like ''it will take years to get it on the market''

Well, yes it will take several years to drill, but just opening it up will drive down prices from the speculators.

That is why Newt is pushing ''Drill here, drill now, pay less''

Sign here: http://www.americansolutions.com/actioncenter/petitions/?Guid=54ec6e43-75a8-445b-aa7b-346a1e096659

Did anyone else here on the news this morning about illegals returning home because of high gas prices! It was confirmed by Mexico that the had a surge in requests for tranfers for children coming back from the united states to attend school in Mexico :DMaybe high gas prices are not so bad :D

http://www.conservationgiscenter.org/maps/images/NS_leases.jpg

The 1002 area on the map is the area in question. Huge, huh?

Here is the government's Analysis of Crude Oil Production in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/anwr/index.html?featureclicked=2&amp;). The high estimate for total production from ANWR is 4.3 billion barrels, or just a tad more than 50% of the amount of oil the U.S. consumes in one year. The estimated reduction in price per barrel using the high estimate is $1.44 Using todays price, this largest estimated reduction keeps oil above $130/bbl.

China is not drilling off Cuba. Cheney's office admits that he was wrong.

I like listening to Olberman

Check this out
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Did you catch that little note at the end :confused:

A dimocrat speaking at the Republican National Convention, but they won't let Ron Paul.........

Food for Fuel (http://www.foodb4fuel.com/takeaction/)

If you are as frustrated with Ethanol as much as me, click on this web site and voice your opinion.

If you are not, you need to research more.

I found out this weekend that lawnmowers and edgetrimers are breaking down all over the country. It seems that the Ethanol gas is eroding the gas lines and gaskets.

My motorcycle runs like [censored] if there is ethanol in the fuel. I have to treat every tank of gas I put in or run the risk of gumming up my carbs and having to rebuild them every year. I consciously do not buy at gas stations that run ethanol, if I have a choice.

Food for Fuel (http://www.foodb4fuel.com/takeaction/)

If you are as frustrated with Ethanol as much as me, click on this web site and voice your opinion.

If you are not, you need to research more.

I found out this weekend that lawnmowers and edgetrimers are breaking down all over the country. It seems that the Ethanol gas is eroding the gas lines and gaskets.



That might explain the problems with the plastic components of the fuel system on my chain saw.

Bob Barr on ANWR and outer continental shelf drilling.

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"We know the reserves are there"

Except you don't know until you actually drill the wells. You know there might be candidate geological structures but that's all. That was just another example of a politician talking rather than a petroleum geologist.

Wouldn't you like your children to have some petroleum when they grow up? Because that's all we'll have. Who do you think is going to be exporting in twenty years?

I take it you like the high gas prices right now.

The only good thing about it is that alternative fuels become more cost effective.

T. Boone Pickens has not only invested heavily in the tar sands of Canada, but is currently building the largest wind farm in the world in west Texas. He would not be doing it if there was no money in it.

I wouldn't say I like but I am well prepared for it. And I'm well prepared for it being much more expensive. In the very near future it won't be price that concerns me, it will be availability. Alternative energy is obviously going to increase going forward but won't be nearly enough for the shortfall in traditional petroleum sources.

The current economic downturn caused by high energy prices and gas prices is about to drive me out of business.

My outlook right now is the worst it has been. EVER.

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3.79 in Tarboro, NC

Good price, the cheapest I saw in the last 2 weeks was 3.79 in Arkansas, most were 3.89 or more at every station I got gas at. I paid $4.03 for regular Unleaded at one stop this week.

$4.27 in Vegas and I'm on my way to fill up the tank to go to an event in Utah. Make it stop :confused: :confused: :mad:

Wait till Israel attacks Iran, then you will really see gas prices jump up. Maybe even double what it is now. :(

Filled up for $3.93 here today. It's sick to think $3.93 is a good deal /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif.

Most of the gas stations I saw in TN were at 3.95..

I Tried to find one with no Ethanol, but was unable. [I did get regular gas in Arkansas and got over 27 miles per gallon, I was getting 24 with the Ethanol crap]

Freaking Dimocrats (sorry Tony, they deserve it this time)

Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats are saying that we should not open up more areas for drilling because we are not drilling in areas that are currently leased. She even asked why they don't drill there current leases. (in an interview this last weekend)

Well I already knew the answer to this, but here is an article about it.

68 million acres of land federally leased for drilling: getting to oil another story (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FEDERAL_LEASES_DRILLING?SITE=OKPON&amp;SECTION=HOME&amp;TE MPLATE=DEFAULT)

She is either an IDIOT, or is misleading those in her party. (to that, I can only say that Bush has mislead conservatives too, not only into Iraq but other items too)

Leaving any politics out of it.....

Ain't it funny that even though a barrel of oil has dropped over 25 dollars in 2 weeks that gas has gone down 2 cents :p, but when it went up 25 dollars in 2-3 weeks gas went up 75 cents a gallon. :eek:

I guess since I talked bad about oil again, that I'll be suspended now with the New PDGA Message Board policy that protects Oil Speculators, since talking bad about them the first time put me on Probation. :p

this is kind of good news.

From the 18th till this Friday the 25th

Oil dropped from $128.88 to $122.46

this is still from an all time high from a few weeks ago of $149

But here is the good news

7/18/08 gas futures $3.208

to

7/25/08 gas futures $3.035

this drop would put gas around $3.50 in 10 days. I know gas by my store dropped from $3.97 to $3.81 in the last week.

:owow, good job Oklahoma (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/26/business/26ethanol.html?_r=1&amp;adxnnl=1&amp;adxnnlx=1217063614-oaFC0wyPFSYQ8033O8s60Q&amp;oref=slogin)


Mechanics for a range of equipment and small vehicles, from boats and motorcycles to lawnmowers, have blamed E10 for engine sputters and shutdowns

So, while American Auto companies are laying off personnel and loosing money, HONDA is showing HUGE profits.

Honda rides gas-sippers to record $1.7 billion profite (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/5907045.html)

More good news on the Gas front.

Oil has dropped a little more this week and so has Gas futures. Down to 3.02 per gallon.

If congress would get off there butts and pass the American Energy Act, gas would drop some more, but Peloser is not going to let that happen.

At least there was a victory for Liberty yesterday in the Senate. Sen Reids Omnibus bill Closure was voted down. There were several bad bills in that act. (but none gas related)

Republican refuse to leave the House (well several of them) until a solution to help with high gas prices is passed. (including Ted Poe from TEXAS)

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And in the Senate................

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yes, this video is edited, but it is edited for time, not content.

Still 60 cents a gallon higher on the way down at this price point than it was on the way up.

Tell me were not being (something that will get me probationed :D) and i'll tell you you are a liar!

I posted this back on July 26th

this drop would put gas around $3.50 in 10 days. I know gas by my store dropped from $3.97 to $3.81 in the last week.



Friday, Gas dropped by my store to $3.69 and last night, on my way home I saw it for $3.62.

TODAY, OIL DROPPED TO $120 A BARREL AND GAS FUTURES DROPPED TO $3.00

So based on this, gas should keep dropping slowly, it was up to $3.08 on Friday.

I got this email from my Congressman today

SPECIAL BULLETIN: August 4, 2008

To unsubscribe from this list-serve, please reply to this email with �unsubscribe� as the subject, and include your name in the body.

Let�s Have a Vote on Real Energy Solutions

As many of you have heard, the House Republican Caucus has taken over the empty House chamber in protest of Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi�s decision to adjourn the House without a vote on the American Energy Act as she goes on a nationwide tour to promote her new book during the entire month of August. As you may also know, I have been a staunch supporter of the American Energy Act which provides an �All of the Above� approach to dealing with the energy crisis which includes: 1) increasing domestic energy exploration and production; 2) incentivizing research into clean renewable and alternative energy technologies; and 3) encouraging fuel efficiency and conservation.

Let me be clear: I have joined House Republican Leader John Boehner in his adamant request to Speaker Pelosi that she reconvene the House so we can have an up or down vote on energy legislation that I know has bipartisan support. Furthermore, I call on President Bush to use his constitutional authority to call Congress back into session so Republicans and Democrats can work together to do what is best for hardworking Americans and pass real energy legislation. Convening a special session would not be without precedent; in fact, this authority (which the President can use �on extraordinary occasions� like this) has been used 27 times, the most recently by President Truman in 1948 to deal with healthcare, civil rights, and social security legislation.

In the interim, I have been holding meetings with constituents and organizations across the 24th District to talk about the American Energy Act. In fact, this week, I have 16 long-scheduled commitments where I will continue to meet with you and bring your concerns to the Hill. I am eager to return to D.C. to bring the American Energy Act to the floor and vote.

I am honored to represent the 24th District of Texas. Please contact my District or DC office with any further questions you may have or visit my website at www.marchant.house.gov. (http://www.marchant.house.gov.)

Oil Falls to 13-Week Low on Signs Storm to Miss Gulf Facilities (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&amp;sid=aIgUkhnl6VD4&amp;refer=news)

I wonder how much has to do with what the Republicans are doing in the House????

By the way Bryan, I'm not directing any of this at you, iand I appreciate your looking at the big picture also (I never see whatever your You Tubes things say, but the text stuff is good sometimes).
I'm just aggravated that it goes up if someone says boo at the pump 10 times faster than it goes down, when it still is supposedly 3 months from market, and the fact that at 120 on way up - ON THAT DAY - it is 3.10 a gallon, but at 120 on the way down - ON THAT DAY - it is 3.70-3.80 a gallon. :p

Filled up for $3.49 yesterday at Walmart

$3.74 here brother and we make the junk :)

shouldt the companys that use the ethenal be cheaper than the whole gas/? :confused: :confused:

I saw $3.51 last night coming home from the mini.

shouldt the companys that use the ethenal be cheaper than the whole gas/? :confused: :confused:



Ethanol cost more to produce than gas. In fact, if it were not for GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES, ethanol would be more expensive.

Ethanol also does not burn as efficient as gas. So it takes more to get the same result. So your gas mileage goes down when you use Ethanol gas and you purchase even more gas than before!!!!!!!

Now you want to talk about a scam, the government forces oil companies to add ethanol into there gas, everyone's gas mileage goes down so they have to buy more gas than before AND the government gives ethanol producers 50 CENT PER GALLON to produce it.

Anyone tried adding Jet Fuel to their tanks? It improves you mileage, but you only need a glass or so for a 16 gallon tank. Also cleans your valves etc.

Use Seafoam. It stabilizes your fuel and helps keep your lawnmower/motorcycle/carbuerated engine from getting gummed up by the ethanol. It also cleans valves, fuel injectors, etc and is petroleum based so it burns out with your fuel. You can read about it here (http://www.seafoamsales.com/motorTuneUpTechGas.htm).
I use it in my motorcycle (2000 model year) and it works wonders keeping my carbs clean as new and keeps the jets from getting clogged.

Wed 8.6 .08 Oil $117.30 Gasoline $2.936

going down down down

EPA Tells Retailers to Follow Ethanol Laws Not Economics (http://www.opisnet.com/ethbiomgmt/headlines.html)

Hypermiling - Improve your MPG (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?s=2c53fea79956012a0fd1b991ff5098c2&amp; t=1510)

Fri 8.8 .08 Oil $115.3 Gasoline $2.884

Gas by my store was $3.63 today

3.45 here in Tarboro 2 day

$3.66 in Clayton today doesnt beat the $3.45 price though but still way better than it was

3.39 in Tulsa today. ;)

Fri 8.8 .08 Oil $115.3 Gasoline $2.884






Mon 8.11 .08 Oil $114.5 Gasoline $2.872


I am actually surprised. With the 1 million barrels a day stopped in Georgia, I thought the price might skyrocket today.

Fri 8.8 .08 Oil $115.3 Gasoline $2.884

Mon 8.11 .08 Oil $114.5 Gasoline $2.872

Tues 8.12.08 Oil $113.0 Gasoline $2.843

it just keeps going down

Fri 8.8 .08 Oil $115.3 Gasoline $2.884

Mon 8.11 .08 Oil $114.5 Gasoline $2.872

Tues 8.12.08 Oil $113.0 Gasoline $2.843



Thurs 8.14.08 Oil $115.89 Gasoline $2.939

What goes down, usually goes back up. Oh well. it is the middle of the day.

$3.52 today

Fri 8.8 .08 Oil $115.3 Gasoline $2.884

Mon 8.11 .08 Oil $114.5 Gasoline $2.872

Tues 8.12.08 Oil $113.0 Gasoline $2.843


Thurs 8.14.08 Oil $115.89 Gasoline $2.939




Thurs 8.14.08 Oil $115.00 Gasoline $2.909
Well it finished the day a little down, It was at $2.83 last time I checked before now. It usually is a roller coster ride every day.

History chanel, Sat. night, very cool show on oil

The Arctic Hotel in Ilulissat, Greenland, is a charming little place on the West Coast, but no one would ever confuse it for a Four Seasons � maybe a One Seasons. But when my wife and I walked back to our room after dinner the other night and turned down our dim hallway, the hall light went on. It was triggered by an energy-saving motion detector. Our toilet even had two different flushing powers depending on � how do I say this delicately � what exactly you�re flushing. A two-gear toilet! I�ve never found any of this at an American hotel. Oh, if only we could be as energy efficient as Greenland!

A day later, I flew back to Denmark. After appointments here in Copenhagen, I was riding in a car back to my hotel at the 6 p.m. rush hour. And boy, you knew it was rush hour because 50 percent of the traffic in every intersection was bicycles. That is roughly the percentage of Danes who use two-wheelers to go to and from work or school every day here. If I lived in a city that had dedicated bike lanes everywhere, including one to the airport, I�d go to work that way, too. It means less traffic, less pollution and less obesity.

What was most impressive about this day, though, was that it was raining. No matter. The Danes simply donned rain jackets and pants for biking. If only we could be as energy smart as Denmark!

Unlike America, Denmark, which was so badly hammered by the 1973 Arab oil embargo that it banned all Sunday driving for a while, responded to that crisis in such a sustained, focused and systematic way that today it is energy independent. (And it didn�t happen by Danish politicians making their people stupid by telling them the solution was simply more offshore drilling.)

What was the trick? To be sure, Denmark is much smaller than us and was lucky to discover some oil in the North Sea. But despite that, Danes imposed on themselves a set of gasoline taxes, CO2 taxes and building-and-appliance efficiency standards that allowed them to grow their economy � while barely growing their energy consumption � and gave birth to a Danish clean-power industry that is one of the most competitive in the world today. Denmark today gets nearly 20 percent of its electricity from wind. America? About 1 percent.

And did Danes suffer from their government shaping the market with energy taxes to stimulate innovations in clean power? In one word, said Connie Hedegaard, Denmark�s minister of climate and energy: �No.� It just forced them to innovate more � like the way Danes recycle waste heat from their coal-fired power plants and use it for home heating and hot water, or the way they incinerate their trash in central stations to provide home heating. (There are virtually no landfills here.)

There is little whining here about Denmark having $10-a-gallon gasoline because of high energy taxes. The shaping of the market with high energy standards and taxes on fossil fuels by the Danish government has actually had �a positive impact on job creation,� added Hedegaard. �For example, the wind industry � it was nothing in the 1970s. Today, one-third of all terrestrial wind turbines in the world come from Denmark.� In the last 10 years, Denmark�s exports of energy efficiency products have tripled. Energy technology exports rose 8 percent in 2007 to more than $10.5 billion in 2006, compared with a 2 percent rise in 2007 for Danish exports as a whole.

�It is one of our fastest-growing export areas,� said Hedegaard. It is one reason that unemployment in Denmark today is 1.6 percent. In 1973, said Hedegaard, �we got 99 percent of our energy from the Middle East. Today it is zero.�

Frankly, when you compare how America has responded to the 1973 oil shock and how Denmark has responded, we look pathetic.

�I have observed that in all other countries, including in America, people are complaining about how prices of [gasoline] are going up,� Denmark�s prime minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, told me. �The cure is not to reduce the price, but, on the contrary, to raise it even higher to break our addiction to oil. We are going to introduce a new tax reform in the direction of even higher taxation on energy and the revenue generated on that will be used to cut taxes on personal income � so we will improve incentives to work and improve incentives to save energy and develop renewable energy.�

Because it was smart taxes and incentives that spurred Danish energy companies to innovate, Ditlev Engel, the president of Vestas � Denmark�s and the world�s biggest wind turbine company � told me that he simply can�t understand how the U.S. Congress could have just failed to extend the production tax credits for wind development in America.

Why should you care?

�We�ve had 35 new competitors coming out of China in the last 18 months,� said Engel, �and not one out of the U.S.�

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The problem is we are a lot more spread out than Denmark. We can't just ride our bikes to work and school. Many of us live miles and miles away from work.

High gas prices will fix that in the long run. I will admit that.

The biggest problem is that those freaking tree huggers will not let them build clean burning coal plants and Neclear plants. Wind will not come even close to helping solve our energy problems in Texas. The wind does not blow in the dead of winter or heat of summer.

But "we could save all the oil that they're talking about drilling if everybody was just inflating there tires and getting regular tune-ups." "You could save just as much!"

- the Chosen One

But "we could save all the oil that they're talking about drilling if everybody was just inflating there tires and getting regular tune-ups." "You could save just as much!"

- the Chosen One



Now that was funny. :D

Fri 8.8 .08 Oil $115.3 Gasoline $2.884

Mon 8.11 .08 Oil $114.5 Gasoline $2.872

Tues 8.12.08 Oil $113.0 Gasoline $2.843


Thurs 8.14.08 Oil $115.00 Gasoline $2.909



Fri 8.15.08 Oil $113.70 Gasoline $2.86

back down again, that is a good thing

Fri 8.8 .08 Oil $115.3 Gasoline $2.884

Mon 8.11 .08 Oil $114.5 Gasoline $2.872

Tues 8.12.08 Oil $113.0 Gasoline $2.843

Thurs 8.14.08 Oil $115.00 Gasoline $2.909

Fri 8.15.08 Oil $113.70 Gasoline $2.86



Tues 8.19.08 Oil $111.90 Gasoline $2.796

You got to love it.

Fri 8.8 .08 Oil $115.3 Gasoline $2.884

Mon 8.11 .08 Oil $114.5 Gasoline $2.872

Tues 8.12.08 Oil $113.0 Gasoline $2.843

Thurs 8.14.08 Oil $115.00 Gasoline $2.909

Fri 8.15.08 Oil $113.70 Gasoline $2.86

Tues 8.19.08 Oil $111.90 Gasoline $2.796



Wed 8.20.08 Oil $115.80 Gasoline $2.911

mmm, not good. That is a pretty big jump. But if it does not start to drop again, I would fill your tanks up and keep them full until this price hits the streets.

Fri 8.8 .08 Oil $115.3 Gasoline $2.884

Mon 8.11 .08 Oil $114.5 Gasoline $2.872

Tues 8.12.08 Oil $113.0 Gasoline $2.843

Thurs 8.14.08 Oil $115.00 Gasoline $2.909

Fri 8.15.08 Oil $113.70 Gasoline $2.86

Tues 8.19.08 Oil $111.90 Gasoline $2.796

Wed 8.20.08 Oil $115.80 Gasoline $2.911



Thurs 8.21.08 Oil $121.20 Gasoline $3.039

Ah, what in the world is going on????

I just saw an article about the biggest one week jump in history. I may have to go read it when I get some time.

I am so glad I filled up last night for $3.45

Fri 8.8 .08 Oil $115.3 Gasoline $2.884

Mon 8.11 .08 Oil $114.5 Gasoline $2.872

Tues 8.12.08 Oil $113.0 Gasoline $2.843

Thurs 8.14.08 Oil $115.00 Gasoline $2.909

Fri 8.15.08 Oil $113.70 Gasoline $2.86

Tues 8.19.08 Oil $111.90 Gasoline $2.796

Wed 8.20.08 Oil $115.80 Gasoline $2.911

Thurs 8.21.08 Oil $121.20 Gasoline $3.039

Saturday 8.30.08 Oil $115.46 Gasoline $2.854

what a rollercoster ride the gas prices have done in the last week. At least they are low today. They were over $3.10 just a few days ago.

I have already seen prices slightly go up this week in my delivery area.

This is an Auto company I would invest in if I actually had money. They plan on building more affordable cars in the future. I have been watching them for a few years to see how it works out. it is looking pretty good.

Tesla to build new sedan (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2008184597_apteslamotors.html?syndication=rss)

Honda's hydrogen car is smooth but has hindrances (http://www.newsobserver.com/1566/story/1259658.html)

Saw gas for 2.43 today. Best I've seen in a while.

On the way home from work on Friday, I saw gas for $2.67. I just knew I could wait over the weekend to fill up so I didn't stop. Got gas for $2.49 last night. It's a step in the right direction!

Oil Futures WTI $71.85 Brent $69.60 Gas $1.66

This is from today, that means in about 2 weeks, we should be seeing prices in the $2.30 to $2.40 range.

Tulsa went under 2 dollars this weekend. Currently at $1.89