What are the current Gas prices around your Home town?

Mine are currrently avg. around 3.10 a gallon.

I believe they just went up to 2.89 or so!! friggin sux!! I paid 2.37 last week!!

I saw 2.99 this morning, FAH Q big oil!

Thats CHEAP!!! I paid 3.39 last night. Cost me over 50 bucks to fill my tank :mad: I remember filling it 2 years ago for 15 bucks :mad:

If gas prices stay this high there might not be ANYONE on tour next year :mad:

last night reg was 3.29. this morning there was no more gas.

My chihuahua projects Mao Tse Tung and I regret the actions of my donkey.

I paid 2.79 right before they put up the 2.89 price.

On my way in I saw a Shell at 3.49. That's ridiculous. Spend your money at the smaller gas stations. The big ones seem to be gouging for brand name gas... we need to let em know that ain't cool. Of course, next week, theyll be the first ones with gas and will be able to get the crazy prices... just say no!

And ride a bike if you can.

2.97 for unleaded here in North County San Diego.

someone said that Atlanta is up to $5.28 yesterday.

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$2.79 in North Texas last night. Didn't notice the price this morning. I'll check at lunch. Fat men need to eat!

Yesterday my fience said that at a local (and admittatly high priced) gas station gas was $2.699/gallon when she went to work and $3.299/gallon on the way home.

Looking around the Twin Cities I've seen anything from $2.80 to $3.30 per gallon.

Yesterday morning it was $2.79 and I was talking to myself saying I should fill up while it's CHEAP, of course I didn't listen to myself 4 hours later it was $2.94. Today I went past the local cheap gas station and it was $2.94 and went past it a couple of hours later and they no longer have a price on the sign

Tuesday night = $2.49
Wednesday morning = $3.09

I wish I could ride my bike to work

Gas went up $0.50 a gallon at some stations to $2.99 a gallon. Nowhere is over $3 yet for regular. Our regular is 85 octane though, not the fancy 87 octane you all get. Everyday this week, the gas has gone up $0.10 a gallon between getting to work and going to lunch. This morning I learned and filled up.

A friZZak said it was over $ 5.00 in CharloTTe today.

Alpharetta/north metro atlanta

Everyone freaked out here and started buying up all the gas. There were long waits at gas stations starting around noon, by midnight 90 percent of the gas stations where i live were empty (i drove around looking for gas for EVER) one place in gwinett had it for 6.99 when all of the pumps ran out around 3pm(according to the news), other places i have seen in person, 5.579 thats is completely ridiculous...just glad im going out of town tommorrow.

In Maryland yesterday it was $2.83, this morning $3.14 WTF :confused:

Central Austin prices are still reasonable...Just filled up at $2.689 at C-Mart off Far West...

I searched some site for lowest gas prices, and they sent me to a Shell that said 3 hours ago it was $2.49...I drove there only to discover it was priced at $2.79...Still not as bad as what many are reporting, but it will only continue to rise.

Well .............I'm in San Diego. I may get a motorcycle.

Gas prices , currently by my house :

Regular : 3.09
89 Octane : 3.19
Premium : 3.29

And climbing !!!!!! :eek:

Why are we not shipping barrels of the stuff out of Iraq ? :eek:

Why are we not shipping barrels of the stuff out of Iraq ? :eek:



We don't need OIL we need refined oil ie. GASOLINE. Bush's plan to release oil from the oil reserve will do nothing for the reduction of gas prices. If it can't be refined it doesn't do any good.

I went yesterday and bought a brand new Yamaha V Star Classic. 45 mpg is much better than the 12 mpg I was getting in the Land Rover.


The sales guys at the local dealership where I bought my bike said that they were having one of their best days ever in terms of sales...and it was a Wednesday night...usually their slowest night of the week for sales.

I'm keeping the Rover for inclement weather (not too much of that here in Austin, where we can ride pretty much year-round), or for trips to the lake with the dogs, etc. But I'll be using the bike for a daily commuter from now on.

We don't need OIL we need refined oil ie. GASOLINE. Bush's plan to release oil from the oil reserve will do nothing for the reduction of gas prices. If it can't be refined it doesn't do any good.



The cost per barrel went up before this hurricane situation and that why the gas prices were so high in the first place. So really if we had cheaper crude oil it would also be cheaper after it was refined wouldnt it???

IF U SEE A PACE IN CHARLOTTE SELLING IT FOR CHEAPER THAN $5.00 ...THEY ARE EMPTY. EVERYONE THAT HAD THE OLD PRICES RAN OUT LAST NIGHT. THE LINE OVER BY THE ARBORATEUM WAS UP TO 200 CARS LAST NIGHT. BARD CUT THEM OFF. BONUS POINTS.

$2.79 in North Texas last night. Didn't notice the price this morning. I'll check at lunch. Fat men need to eat!



Up 15 cents....$2.94 now. :confused:

Thanks Fuxxored.......

I was outraged seeing 3.50 a gallon............at least all our stations still have gas.....

I predicted right....during lunch break today (noon to one) gas went up at least $0.20 per gallon. $2.79 is now the cheapest. For 85 octane gas!

Granted we are not quite to the depths of the south and California yet, but keep in mind we have lower gas taxes, lower octanes, and no emmission requirements. I imagine it will hit $3.50 before the end of Labor Day weekend. Everyone around here drives somewhere for the weekend. It is a western state traditional.

Try $3.85 and that is for low octane unlead. Arizona

Gas in North County San Diego is now up to 3.15!!!

its like 3.20 in mi, and sure itll be up to 4 by this weekend with the holiday

You know that in Iraq they are paying like 10 cents a gallon or less :mad:

One way to defeat your enemy,
hit them in the pocket book.

Yeah, but think about the 'hood they have to drive through to get to the pump

My Mom bought gas this morning in Warwick for 2.69 and told me to get some before it changes. So I went around an hour ago and it is now 3.19 :eek: :mad:

Yeah right 10 cents a gallon in Iraq....who has cars in Iraq? Everytime I see the news picture there are cars on fire or shells of burnt cars.

How many refineries do you think we left operational during bombing campaigns?

Just be thankful we still haven't hit the $6 a gallon they have in Europe! Of course, I would argue that Europe is a significantly whole other proposition. They are much more compact than America.
Pump Prices Stun Gas-Guzzling Americans (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/ts_nm/weather_katrina_gasoline_dc)

fr-fr-fr-frizzax, head down 521 into SC and get your gas there. much cheaper. $5.00 is unfathomable!!!

Or come to Rock Hill and get gas and a whoopin'!

My split-crotch lampshade said bite the lemon-squeezer, and pay no more than 4.19 for petrol.

You know that in Iraq they are paying like 10 cents a gallon or less :mad:



Yes, camels are cheap to fill up.

$4.85 a gallon in Wiesendangen today! /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

But isn't that for a metric gallon. :p

Yea, but metric gallons are smaller! :D

Albertsons by my store.
Monday $2.59
Tuesday $2.69
Wednesday $2.79
Thursday $$2.89

Monday, my regular filling station was $2.53, today on the way to work it was $2.99

I stopped at Citgo across the street from the store today becauses it said $2.79, and they were out of 87 :(

I still have 1/2 a tank, that should get me till next week, but I am affraid of what may happen with gas next week.

You know that in Iraq they are paying like 10 cents a gallon or less :mad:



WRONG, last I saw, they were paying about 27 cent per gallon. Think about it, Iraq has it's own refinery and there is NO shipping cost or profit needed (all oil wells and the refinery is owned by the government of Iraq)

Iraq also has no taxes. The government is totally suported by Oil sales. (which we by 2% of our oil from)

lets get one more thing correct.

about 1/3rd of the gas in the USA comes out of the South effected by the hurricane. That is why you see parts of that country out of Gas like Georga.

What Bush is doing is letting just enough oil out of the reserves to make sure the Oil Refineries that are operational do NOT run out of oil. (he wants them to run at full copacity) There is no Oil being pumped out of the Gulf of Mexico right now and that is one of our main supplies (for the souther half of the USA)

That and everyone is panicking and buying up all the current supplies. There was 20 days worth of gas in the system if all the refineries were shut down right now.

Would it be wrong to think it would be important to be the first person at your workplace to ask for a raise? I know the president can't do much but how about raising minimum wage.

I just heard prices were going to raise again in winter. Can anybody explain that?

In the winter many states have additional additives/regulations on gas. In areas prone to inversions (stagnant air), the exhaust from cars is very significant. By adding things like ethanol, or cleaning up the gas a bit the overall damaging effects of gas are reduced. All of the additives cost money. The gas companies pass that cost on to the consumers.

You know that in Iraq they are paying like 10 cents a gallon or less :mad:



Good. Move there. Or better yet, enlist in the army and let us know how that goes.

:D

Just ditch the cars and go with a scooter. :D

Hey those electric scooters could come in handy to. Can you imagine taking your family out to eat on one of those thangs? Or better yet you could sell your car and get one for each family member. :eek: Call it Good Times.

DYNOoooMIiiiiiiTE!!!!!!!!!!

A driver just told me Albertsons just went up to $2.99 in the last hour

$2.94

San Diego ...........$ 3.59 :eek:

In the winter many states have additional additives/regulations on gas. In areas prone to inversions (stagnant air), the exhaust from cars is very significant. By adding things like ethanol, or cleaning up the gas a bit the overall damaging effects of gas are reduced. All of the additives cost money. The gas companies pass that cost on to the consumers.



Funny thing is, those additive hurt your gas milage and you burn more gas.

Specially with Ethanol, it hurts your gas milage by more than 10%, some autos as much as 25%.

You want better emissions, pay for people to get there cars tuned up.

how about a tune up with your inspection, that would work as good if not better than the current emisions testing.

(I know most of you around the country don't know about the DFW emissions testing going on right now. They started doing it a few years ago and gess what, our air pollution is worse now than then :confused:

Actually, our air in Texas is better than it was 30 years ago, But the liberals don't want to tell you that.

Filled up today - 2.99 a gallon - 47.01 total.

Of course, when I was at 46.99, I barely hit pump and it jumped 2 cents. That's how you know when it's bad.I feel like that loser in the Jerry Sienfield commercial who went a penny over. Nothing more embarassing than telling some middle eastern a number then saying 0 1 after it.

NO GAS FOR YOU!

Went up to $3+ in this area today and along the route we were planning to take to my oldest freind's wedding to Arkansas this weekend it was $3.30 and up. I just got off the phone with him after having to sadly tell him that after planning to be there for months, I now won't be able to afford it.

Its time for a Boston Tea Party.

I saw a report on one station in (GA?) who was so afraid of running out of gas, that instead of rationing or closing, he put his price for regular up to $5.87/gallon. Get a Rope!

Before doubles last night $2.79... After Doubles $3.05. Yikes! Should have shot better!

where are the ****. fuel cells?? hydrogen is quite abundant!! :D

Shoot a Hummer driver.

Lessens demand, lowers prices.

$2.99....I'm buying a Moped!!

http://www.humournet.co.uk/Images/funny_pic18.jpg

I am thinking about fixing my bike to ride to work. It would take longer, but I would save some cash and loose some weight. (My store is 4.2 miles from my house)

Just droppeed $53 on a Ford Ranger for a full tank! :(

http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10003036.shtml
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/aug2005/nf20050831_0413.htm?campaign_id=topStories_ssi_5

Just stuff about oil refining and gasoline manufacturing that might make some of this make sense to people who don't understand why a hurricane in Louisianna makes gasoline so expensive.

Thank you Bruce, I have been saying some of that stuff for weeks and months and people did not belive me. there is is in black and white.

Just dropped $53 on a Ford Ranger for a full tank! :(



Well I just dropped $89 on my Avalanch in Tulsa this morning and the said it would be $3.35 by noon today.

On Monday, I filled up on my way to work for $2.49. As I was paying for my coffee the lady was getting ready to raise it to $3.09. 60cents in one day is RIDICULOUS!

BTW, I live in Canton, OH.

Shoot a Hummer driver.

Lessens demand, lowers prices.



The majority of registered gun owners are conservatives. I would venture a guess that most HMV drivers are also conservatives.

Most Liberals are pacifist weenies. Most of these weenies don't own guns.

So, when you espouse "shooting" a Hummer driver (would that include Land Rover drivers, too?)...remember, we're likely to be better armed than you are, and we will shoot back.

You know those private jets that Martin Sheen, Randi Rhodes, and Al Sharpton flew in to get to Crawford, TX to help Saint Sheehan protest the "War for Oil"? They used more fuel for that one trip than the entire PDGA active membership will use driving their cars the rest of this year. Mabye you should be advocating shooting those Hollywood Limo-liberals instead, especially since they're not likely to be armed (except Sharpton, you know that clown is packing).

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Just spent $12.15 to fill up the bike this morning at $2.89/gallon. Gotta love 45 MPG (plus Austin is just a great town for riding anyways)

i didnt say anything about shooting conservatives or liberals or libertarians or any other political position. thanks for bringing your crass generalizations into the discussion.

here's an idea for how to spend your weekend: drive that Land Rover into SE DC. you'll find out real fast just how well armed a 99% democratic neighborhood can be. :D

Don't you mean Democrackhead neighborhood? :o

I've driven through the democratic 'hood of Houston's 3rd, 4th, and 5th Wards numerous times. Despite the shotgun shack accomodations that most of the Wards' denizens call home, I'm always dismayed to see that my Land Rover blends in quite nicely with the other Rovers, Escalades, BMWs and Benz's.

Now, bring a Prius into one of those neighborhoods, and you're definitely going to be 1) approached at every stop sign and asked "what'ch'you lookin' for?" 2) beaten up and robbed.

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Oh, and I'll stick to my "crass generalizations", thanks (which, ironically enough, were more specific than your generlizations).

Funny thing is, those additive hurt your gas milage and you burn more gas.

Specially with Ethanol, it hurts your gas milage by more than 10%, some autos as much as 25%.

You want better emissions, pay for people to get there cars tuned up.

how about a tune up with your inspection, that would work as good if not better than the current emisions testing.

(I know most of you around the country don't know about the DFW emissions testing going on right now. They started doing it a few years ago and gess what, our air pollution is worse now than then :confused:

Actually, our air in Texas is better than it was 30 years ago, But the liberals don't want to tell you that.



Pizza, you are clueless on the ethanol issue. I'll take your word for it on the Texas air quality, since I've never been to Texas, but you are totally out of touch about the gasoline bidness. Ethanol might decrease gas mileage on some cars, but only by 1-2%. Since 10% of the 'gas' being pumped into the car contains ethanol you can do the math to see that it's still much more efficient than running straight petroleum-based fuel. Cars that are equipped to be 'ethanol hybrids' can run much higher ethanol content with the only real side effects being drastically reduced emissions (and obviously much lower petroleum content).

Shoot a Hummer driver.

Lessens demand, lowers prices.



The majority of registered gun owners are conservatives. I would venture a guess that most HMV drivers are also conservatives.

Most Liberals are pacifist weenies. Most of these weenies don't own guns.

So, when you espouse "shooting" a Hummer driver (would that include Land Rover drivers, too?)...remember, we're likely to be better armed than you are, and we will shoot back.

You know those private jets that Martin Sheen, Randi Rhodes, and Al Sharpton flew in to get to Crawford, TX to help Saint Sheehan protest the "War for Oil"? They used more fuel for that one trip than the entire PDGA active membership will use driving their cars the rest of this year. Mabye you should be advocating shooting those Hollywood Limo-liberals instead, especially since they're not likely to be armed (except Sharpton, you know that clown is packing).

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Just spent $12.15 to fill up the bike this morning at $2.89/gallon. Gotta love 45 MPG (plus Austin is just a great town for riding anyways)



Well, if ignorance is bliss, I guess Rooster is one happy dude.

Let's assume that each 'pacifist weenie' flew their own Gulfstream and went through an entire 2000 gallon 'tank' of gas on the trip. I'll do the math for ya, Roostie, that would be 6000 gallons (3 pacifist weenies times 2000 gallons). Even if there were only 1000 active PDGA members, I think it's safe to say that they'd use more than 6 gallons of gas this year (you see, 6000 divided by 1000 equals 6).

Any other 'facts' you'd like to share with us?

so.....what were you lookin' for? :o
I know I shouldn't ask. I drive through similar areas in Fort Worth, not looking for anything but a short cut. I've also walked neighborhoods like, uh registering voters with Rev Jackson. I've also walked neighborhoods like you described in DC and Houston...got lost. Some of the poorest people are the nicest and most giving. Not all poor people are doing/dealing drugs, just like not all disc golfers are doing/dealing drugs.

Oh, and as probably the one of the most liberal people here, I would have to say you are correct. I would never shoot anyone, definitely not just for wasting a resource. It's just not my style. I would probably walk up to them and tell them how I feel or give them a pamphlet that they would consider a waste of a different resource and thrown away. Enjoy your Land Rover and I'll enjoy my Prius...when it finally arrives.
However, there were several Conservative Republicans working with me against the concealed carry back a few years ago, most from Houston.

Well, if ignorance is bliss, I guess Rooster is one happy dude.

i can hear the sizzle all the way up here in dallas! :D now dat was funny!

Dear Republican Voters:

If you will kindly send me money to help pay for my tanks of Gas. Trust me, although Bush is profiting from all of this, we all know it's not his fault. It is, infact, YOUR dum basses that voted for him.

Shoot a Hummer driver.

Lessens demand, lowers prices.



Amen. http://www.fuh2.com/

www.freedomfuel.com (http://www.freedomfuel.com) get a diesel.

Don't even get me started on the horror that is diesel...

Anyone that thinks diesel is a 'horror' doesn't know too much about diesel. It can burn as clean as gas with higher efficiency (with the proper additives). Right now, the additives aren't very cost effective, but I'd be shocked if that didn't change in the not too distant future.

Anyone that thinks diesel is a 'horror' doesn't know too much about diesel. It can burn as clean as gas with higher efficiency (with the proper additives). Right now, the additives aren't very cost effective, but I'd be shocked if that didn't change in the not too distant future.



Key words in your post "It can burn as clean as gas ". Right now it doesn't. If you get a diesel and put on a particulate matter filter, an oxidation catalyst, and use B20 or B100 (bio diesel at 20% and 100% respectively) then you are good in my book. Heck, if you even did two of the three you would be doing pretty darn good. And a switch to bio diesel at 100% reduces particulate emissions by 40%.

The Particulate Matter Filter can only really be used if you have access to ultra-low sulfur diesel, which is 8-25 cents more per gallon than regular diesel. Oh, and the filter costs between $5000 and $10,000. The benefit of the filter is substantial reducing particulate emissions by 60%-90%.

The oxidation catalyst will reduce particulate emissions by 20-30% and only costs between $1000-$2500. It can be used with regular diesel fuel as well.

If you were to take a particulate filter, an oxidation catalyst, and burn only ultra-low sulfur diesel or B20/B100, you would operate as clean as a standard gas car. You would add $6,000-$12,500 to the cost of your diesel car or truck. You would also significantly add to the cost of your fuel assuming you even had access to it.

How many people are willing to do this? I would wager to say very, very few. Buying a diesel car or truck gives the illusion of helping with emission problems and gas shortages. That is why they are a horror. Come out west. You will see all the brand spanking new diesel pickups spewing out the blackest clouds of smoke you have ever seen in your life. I know the VW diesels and BMW diesels aren't as bad, but they aren't much better.

Oh, and I worked on a project where we tried to figure out ways to help bus fleets clean up their emmissions, so I do know a little bit about diesel.

How do bio-diesel's emmissions suit you?

Heres the website, i typed it in wrong earlier
http://freedomfuelamerica.com/

I ordered a Prius when gas hit $1.50

I recieved it when gas hit $1.79

At $2.99 a gallon, I am just slightly POed!

And I am tired of SUV drivers asking me if I want to trade. F-NO I don't want to trade. I was smart and responsible and bought a fuel effiecient car when it was available.

And just because I get better gas milage doesn't make it cheaper for me. I still pay the same per gallon as a Hummer driver.

But with gas prices so high now, I am afraid of where I park my car because of fear it may get stolen. What a shame it would be if someone stole a vehicle because of it's gas mileage. If I didn't work 25 miles from where I live and across 2 mountains, I would ride my bike. When I look for a new job after I get done with grad school I will be getting a job and a home located near mass transportation routes.

Chicago's L looks very appealing right now. :D

AJ, I worked for 5 years at an R&D facility for one of the (formerly) major oil companies. We were able to significantly reduce diesel emissions (using low sulphur base) through additives, even more so depending on how much the engine manufacturers wanted to 'tweak' their combustion chamber designs. If the same amount of $$ was spent on diesel tech as it is on gasonline engines we'd see even more significant results. It's getting better, but still not there yet.

Of course, the problem we had in R&D was when they decided that it wasn't cost effective to 'waste time' worrying about emissions and helping auto manufacturers to meet CAFE standards. We were forced to focus on finding the cheapest way to hit minimum standards, rather than a way to reduce emissions and engine deposit buildup. Then they laid 80% of the place off.

However, the stock price did increase 7%, and the CEO got an $11 million or thereabouts bonus.

Dear Republican Voters:

If you will kindly send me money to help pay for my tanks of Gas. Trust me, although Bush is profiting from all of this, we all know it's not his fault. It is, infact, YOUR dum basses that voted for him.



This is an example of why I should have MTL on my ingnor list. Stupidity abounds. #1 how can a sitting president "Proft" when he is not allowed to own anything. Trust me, if he was Profiting, we would know about it because web sites like Moveon.org keeps a CLOSE eye on him.

Name one thing they have found?????????????????

sucks being in the minortiy doesn't it???

This is an example of why I should have MTL on my ingnor list.



Maybe you should put me on your list. See if I care. You can miss all the things I say that crack people up on here. Everyone, but you, likes me on here.

Sucks being the minority doesn't it??

California doesn't have the highest gas prices for a change.

yep, 1% 3rd party voter here at your service. Talk about minority.

Although, I agree with a lot of the Republican Parties platform, I agree with a lot more of the Libertarian Parties platform. I vote on which party supports my view, not to vote against someone.

Just hit $3.00 here in San Antonio. I'm confused, isn't the gas in the ground the same gas they purchased at a lower price earlier, but are now charging us a higher price? sumpins rawten in daenmark.

i heard gas was $4.50 in Atlanta :o

If you had read the whole thread, you would know it was over 5.50 in atlanta

5.50 ..................where are those refineries ?

Just went over $3 here in Vegas today. I'm lucky, I have a company truck as a perk, saves me over $60 a week in gas.

Up another 10 cents today to $3.09 at albertsons

I saw $3.05 to $3.20 on the way to work today.

3.39 here in TTarboro

Schweb i got a good one to tell u about the gas so i will tell u on sunday

Up another 10 cents today to $3.09 at albertsons

I saw $3.05 to $3.20 on the way to work today.



$2.96 - $2.99 in Euless

Everyone, but you, likes me on here.



Slow down there, young one. No need to get carried away.


(BTW, That's funny on about 3 different levels.)

Gas dropped around Carrollton today by 10 cents. Almost ever gas station was at $2.99

Here too. Yesterday 5 of the 11 gulf coast refineries that were shut down by Katrina had their electricity restored and began inspections and testing necessary for resuming normal production.

around $3.50 in western NY.

3.39 here in TTarboro



I just put 8.8g in my car for a disc golf tournament this weekend at $3.39/gal it cost $30.00!!!! insane ( insane for me to even go anywhere when it costs that much )

http://www.atomfilms.com/contentPlay/shockwave.jsp?id=cant_afford_gas&pr

Chicago's L looks very appealing right now. :D



You drive to work will be replaced with your drive to courses. That said, the public transportation here is outstanding.

down to $2.87 in calif.the holiday weekend is over so thier done pinching us for a couple days :confused:

Normally, I am not a fan of chain mail. I hate it. But, this one intrigued me - an idea for the consumers to pull together and FORCE a price war within the Oil Companies. I don't know if it would actually work, but if enough people actually stuck to it, who knows? Makes good fodder for the DB, if nothing else:

"Here's the idea:

For the rest of this year, DON"T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK"

After that, the letter goes on about how easy it is to reach 300 million people if we all send it to 10 friends, and they all send it to 10, and ......well, you've all seen it before.

Let the political discussion begin!

Dear Friend, Please consider participating in the September 10th boycott on the purchase of gasoline. At the very least limit your travel by consolidating trips, carpooling, and mass transit. Thanks
IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID NOT PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE OIL COMPANIES WOULD CHOKE ON THEIR STOCKPILES.
AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET LOSS OF OVER 4.6 BILLION DOLLARS WHICH AFFECTS THE BOTTOM LINES OF THE OIL COMPANIES.
THEREFORE Sept 10TH HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED "STICK IT TO THEM DAY"
> >>AND THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION SHOULD NOT BUY A SINGLE DROP OF GASOLINE THAT DAY.
WAITING ON THIS ADMINISTRATION TO STEP IN AND CONTROL THE PRICES IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REDUCTION AND CONTROL IN PRICES THAT THE ARAB NATIONS PROMISED TWO WEEKS AGO?
REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT AT THE SAME TIME AIRLINES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES, TRUCKING COMPANIES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES WHICH EFFECTS PRICES ON EVERYTHING THAT IS SHIPPED. THINGS LIKE FOOD, CLOTHING,BUILDING MATERIALS, MEDICAL SUPPLIES ETC. WHO PAYS IN THE END? WE DO!
WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE DAY,WE WILL DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.

or simply buy from the little man...

But realistically, Walmart seems to have the cheapest gas around right now. I just paid $2.89 a gallon in Roc Hill.

It was 3.09 a gallon on Saturday at a Walmart off Sardis Rd. in South Charlotte. some 20 cents cheaper than ANYTHING else.

Plus they are doing good work with the Katrina Relief.

I refuse to by Exxon/Moble anyways. Have for 20 years. (one time I did not have a choice and I had to purchase Exxon because I was out of gas and no other gas station in sight, that was about 10 years ago)

Buy from Citgo. It's petroleum comes from Venezuela(at least our hemisphere) and in case noone noticed, Hugo Chavez does offer to provide cheap petroleum products to US poor by bypassing the larger companies.

Chicago's L looks very appealing right now. :D



You drive to work will be replaced with your drive to courses. That said, the public transportation here is outstanding.



But it is better then my current, drive to work, drive to school, drive to the course, drive to tournaments.

Reserve stockpiles of Gasoline in Brimingham are near capacity, however the price of gas has not dropped. So much for true supply and demand theory. I doubt I will ever see gas below $3/gallon again.

Reserve stockpiles of Gasoline in Brimingham are near capacity, however the price of gas has not dropped. So much for true supply and demand theory. I doubt I will ever see gas below $3/gallon again.



The world is finally returning back to normal - gas prices are now less than $2 per gallon. In Pennsylvania, it's down to $1.999 for regular unleaded now.

wow! i bet it is only temporary.

I filled up 2 days ago in Cedar Park (north austin) for $2.06

$2.43 in calif :mad:man wish i lived in PA right about now :(

Gas Buddy (http://gasbuddy.com/)

click here to find the cheapest gas in your area. $1.97 in Lewisville about 5 miles from my house.

I really use this web site every time I need gas. I even looked up all the towns between here and Live Oak this weekend to be able to tell my ride where the cheapest gas is. It turned out to be Live Oak, we filled up for $2.02.

Thanks for the link :)
I will definitely use it.

Thanks for the link :)
I will definitely use it.



already have thanks PG $2.39 in my calif. town of Lakewood

As the owner of a Pizza Delivery shop, I find it good to be able to tell my drivers where to get the cheapest gas in town. This way they can stop and fill up while on delivery.

I also listen to the radio, I have been able to save A LOT of money by filling up that day, or trying to push it off as long as possible to take advantage of rizing and falling gas prices. I don't think I put gas in my truck higher than $2.86 so far.

I filled up before gas prices rose up big time and waited as long as I could. I only fill up about 2 times a month, so I am able to take advantage of falling gas prices by waiting as long as possible.

BTW, Gas prices should drop about another 5-10 cents in the next week, then it will rise for Thanksgiving weekend.

Regular Unleaded in Blackfoot, ID: $2.159

With a Club Card at Maverick Gas, knock another 2 cents per gallon off that. :D:D:D

Thanks for posting that link....I didn't realize it but I drive by one of the cheapest gas stations in town everyday.

I'm paying 2.57.

Good thing I drive a car that gets at least 35mph on the highway!

$1.89 In Ponca City, Oklahoma.

1.89 in Des Moines, Iowa

2.09 or less in central texas!!! :D

Here is a site I keep my eye on: Link (http://www.nymex.com/index.aspx)

Look on the right side under "Gasoline (HU)".....then add $0.60 - .$0.80 to that & that's about what you will be paying next week for gas. If you see a sharp increase in price then it's time to fill the tanks :)

gas was also 1.89 up in KC last weekend. almost reasonable! :cool:

Well publicized oil profits sure made those gas prices drop quickly.

2.15 in Raleigh/Wake Forest

Thanks for that link OldTyme, I just put it on favorite.

What did I say about gas prices??

dropped 2 cents yesterday on my way home from work to $2.09 at my favorate station

Today on the way to work it was $2.07.

Like I said, gas should drop about 5 to 10 cents before it goes back up for the Thanksgiving travel weekend.

we just traded in our 2001 ford excursion ( 44 gal $500 a month) gas sucking beast,$40 would get us about a little over a 1/4 tank of gas :mad:
for a 2006 hyundai tucson. i feel like i just got a raise at work :D
$35 full tank YEAH BABY :D:D:D

Yea !!!!! Found gas at a Shell station for $ 2.42 !!!!!!

San Diego !!!! :eek:

move to south Texas gas is as low as $1.97 here :D

Cool !!! Still $ 2.42 for regular , here in San Diego.

Cool !!! Still $ 2.42 for regular , here in San Diego.



$1.70 here :o

1.99 here in NJ.. and they HAVE to pump the gas for you. (Nice in the winter months).

Gas was down to about $1.95 over the weekend, but annoyingly, it has gone up $0.20 this week. WTF?

Yea, it's gone back up over $2 a gallon hear too just in the last few days.

when driving to Ark for Thanksgiving, I got gas as cheap as $1.83 and as hight as $2.05 on the same trip.

Cool !!! Still $ 2.42 for regular , here in San Diego.



$1.70 here :o



$1.98 here :mad:

Cool !!! Still $ 2.42 for regular , here in San Diego.



$1.70 here :o



$1.98 here :mad:



$2.19 just 25 miles north of ya Paul :mad:

1.99 here in NJ.. and they HAVE to pump the gas for you. (Nice in the winter months).



I thought that was only Oregon and RI? Too cool, that was my first summer job, pumping gas in Oregon.

1.99 here in NJ.. and they HAVE to pump the gas for you. (Nice in the winter months).



I thought that was only Oregon and RI? Too cool, that was my first summer job, pumping gas in Oregon.



It's good and bad... good when it's cold outside, bad when it's hot... also, it takes longer to get your gas (have to wait for the attendant). oh, and I paid 1.96 last night

1.99 here in NJ.. and they HAVE to pump the gas for you. (Nice in the winter months).



I thought that was only Oregon and RI? Too cool, that was my first summer job, pumping gas in Oregon.



LOL, I thought NJ was the only stupid state that wouldn't let you pump your own gas, but then I went out to Oregon for the first time a few years ago. Rhode Island is another?

I had to fill up at $2.09 last night, that is now the cheapest in Carrollton????

Gas prices , here in San Diego are now $ 2.29 !!!!!!

Roll with it , you can't control it. don't waste your energy...besides you pay $2.50 for a gal of milk and $10 for a 12pack, sheet, smokes are over 3 bucks what are ya gonna do? Have you laughed today?...priceless :D

anyone see the 60 minutes episode about Canadas oil sands?? interesting!!

yea I saw it, I even told my wife I was thinking about going up there to work. $120K a year, not bad for grunt work.

I was watching to see the story on Kinky for Govenor story. I may actually vote for him. (if he gets on the ballot)

anyone see the 60 minutes episode about Canadas oil sands?? interesting!!

just dont rush out and invest into the Canroy's on the stock market. their runup in share price has been going on for a year, and may have peaked. if 60 minutes was the first you heard of them it may be too late to profit much.

Where is all that Iraqui Oil ? Are our super tankers , draining that forsaken place ? :eek:

Currently in San Diego.

Regular : $ 2.69
89 Octane : $ 2.79
91 Octane : $ 2.89

prices are going up as we speak !!!!!

prices are going up as we speak !!!!!



And "W" is getting richer as we speak. Or at least he will be able to benefit and realize the income after 2008.

prices are going up as we speak !!!!!



And "W" is getting richer as we speak. Or at least he will be able to benefit and realize the income after 2008.



How much oil can he drink ?

I have tried to find any Bush holdings in the oil buisness and have not found any yet.

Also, Bushs net worth has not changed much in the past 6 years.

I have tried to find any Bush holdings in the oil buisness and have not found any yet.

Also, Bushs net worth has not changed much in the past 6 years.



That we know of !!!!! :eek:

Forget about gas prices at the pump. The big danger is political. Shrub finally got it right when he said that we are addicted to oil, even though he's not really going to do anything about it. (Even as he spoke this week the pertinent administration departments were preparing to lay off huge numbers of the researchers they employ already working in that area.)

Personally, I think we should tax gasoline to be $4/gal right now and use the money for intensive alternative fuels research and implementation. (And I own a Surbuban!)

We may have just reached 'peak oil' extraction per year worldwide, this year. If not this year, then it will be within 10 years. China and India and the rest of the developing world want oil, too. Every single person who can watch a television or listen to a radio wants to live exactly like we do, in a material sense - and it doesn't 'scale up'. If nothing else, the richest people in those two countries will be able to buy oil and push our price up; and the only thing we could do to stop that would be to nuke 'em. (Thank goodness for presidential term limits.)

Anyway, here's the latest from Thomas L. Friedman of the NYT:

Will Pigs Fly?
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: February 3, 2006

Well, it wasn't exactly Nixon to China. But it wasn't bean bag either. I'd say the president's State of the Union speech, when it came to calling for an end to our oil addiction and a real push to improve our educational competitiveness, was more like Nixon goes to New Mexico. It was an important change in direction and tone � but still a long way from China, a long way from a definitive change in policy and implementation.

Oh, come on, Friedman, get real! The president throws a few paragraphs your way and you go all weak in the knees. Show some spine, man! You need to trash this thing. You know these guys are not serious. This is a president who once called for putting a man on Mars and then just dropped it. You assumed they were going to do the Iraq war right � remember? Look where that got you, you #$*&$!. You should have listened to your wife!

Yeah, I know all that. But here's what else I know: Mr. Bush is going to be president for the next three years. We do not have three years to lose � not on climate change, energy efficiency or improving math/science education. I am not going to sit around for the next three years just trashing these guys and praying that some Democrat gets elected and does all the right things. We don't have time, you #$*&$!!

I heard the president use language about the necessity of breaking our oil addiction through innovation on renewable technologies � without mentioning drilling in Alaska � which I've never heard before. When the president changes language on an issue like this � in a sustained manner (and we still have to see if it will be sustained), the whole country and bureaucracy start to talk differently.

All you talk about is talk. How do we lock in some action?

One way is to write your senator and congressman and tell them to support the Vehicle and Fuel Choices for American Security Act. Already supported by key Republicans and Democrats, this draft bill aims to reduce oil consumption by 2.5 million barrels a day by 2015 and 7 m.b.d. by 2025 � much more than the president's proposal. The bill offers ailing U.S. automakers loan guarantees and other incentives on the condition that they use the money to retool their assembly lines to sharply increase their production of flex-fuel cars, which run on any combination of alcohol and gasoline, as well as hybrid and plug-in hybrid cars and trucks.

The bill is a way to save large amounts of oil quickly, bail out Detroit today before it goes totally bust tomorrow and give Americans real fuel choices. "If you want to send your dollars to the worst regimes in the Middle East, use gasoline � if you want to send your dollars to the best farms and communities in the Middle West, then use alcohol made from the agricultural resources we grow at home," said the energy expert Gal Luft.

The technology we need to make a huge reduction in our gasoline consumption is already here, hybrid cars that run on flex-fuels. No great breakthrough is required. What's needed are more buyers. While enticing Detroit to make these more fuel-efficient vehicles is a good idea, we also need a gasoline tax to entice every consumer to buy one. The president rejects a gasoline tax. He's wrong. He can't end our oil addiction unless he ends his tax-cutting addiction.

Good luck, pal. These guys never connect the dots. The president doesn't see that his global democracy-promotion agenda is going to be stymied unless America leads the world away from oil. We are heading into an era we've never seen before: $50- to $60-a-barrel oil for a long time. Five years of that will strengthen the worst regimes and worst corruption trends across the globe, and everyone is just going to coddle these oil regimes to get their crude.

You're right: addicts never tell the truth to their pushers. So here's my bottom line: I'm glad the president is changing his rhetoric on energy and says he is changing his funding priorities. It makes for a great headline. But he has to go much further if he wants to make a great difference. There's no pain-free solution. Remember how President Kennedy ended his May 25, 1961, State of the Union speech calling for a moon shot? He said: "I have not asked for a single program which did not cause one or all Americans some inconvenience, or some hardship, or some sacrifice."

Pigs will fly before Bush says that.

You may be right. And if he fails to carry through with this energy initiative, I'll be the first to rip him for it. In the meantime, I prefer to give him a new reputation to live up to. You never know. ... And by the way, pal, you got a better horse to ride right now?

In addition to what needs to happen to end our addiciton to oil is the halting to our need of vehicle dominace. We have too many people out there that say "I need the biggest vehicle on the road, just in case I get into an accident, my family is protected." Well it is because of this, people are wasting money on gas guzzeling SUV's and endangering us consumers with half a brain to purchase smaller fuel effiecent cars to keep costs down. (Yes, I drive a Toyota Prius).

We can already see some of the "protect the family" mentality giving away to the "I cannot afford $100/week in gasoline to drive my oversized SUV.", by looking at used car lots. Heck, they cannot give away used SUV's, while my car is the only vehicle in history to appriecate after it pulls off of the car lot. Umm, are we getting at something here.

Bush mentions using alternative fuels to propell vehicles what about cutting out all loans and tax rebates to Detroit auto makers until they get their passenger vehicle mpg average above 40mpg. (We will always need trucks in the commericial industry). The american auto makers have the technology to create high mpg vehicles, but you have companies like Dodge reintroducing their Charger and continuing to fuel this addiction to oil.

Why do we need to be first at everything (as in acceleration). How about we become the best at fuel economy. By reducing our dependency on oil, we will take the leverage away from the radical eastern countries that supply us with oil. If we do not depend on them for our economies welfare, then we are less resistant to turning their country into glass.

Right now we are standing on the pivot of the econmomical/poltical teeter-todder. If we move towards fuel economy and less depence on oil, we can over throw the countries the threaten our nations security. And then, our soccer mom's will feel comfortable hauling Timmy around in their Ethenol/Electic Hybrid.

$2.21/gallon unl reg - lowest price here in Lawrence, Kansas.

Wow..............Gas prices today in San Diego :

$ 2.69 for regular
$ 2.79 for 89 Octane
$ 2.89 for Premium

:eek:

And we're lucky that we've had a mild winter thus far.

Bush mentions using alternative fuels to propell vehicles what about cutting out all loans and tax rebates to Detroit auto makers until they get their passenger vehicle mpg average above 40mpg.



If the average US car got 40 mpg, then we would not need a drop of oil from the Middle East.

NYT editorial today: "An increase in fuel-efficiency standards to 40 miles per gallon in 10 years � a reasonable expectation, with no new technology � would save about 2.5 millions barrels a day, which is just about what we import from the Middle East now."

Think about that.

Wow..............Gas prices today in San Diego :

$ 2.79 regular
$ 2.89 - 89 octane
$ 2.99 premium

:eek:

$2.25 here in Tarboro, NC

Bush mentions using alternative fuels to propell vehicles what about cutting out all loans and tax rebates to Detroit auto makers until they get their passenger vehicle mpg average above 40mpg.



If the average US car got 40 mpg, then we would not need a drop of oil from the Middle East.

NYT editorial today: "An increase in fuel-efficiency standards to 40 miles per gallon in 10 years � a reasonable expectation, with no new technology � would save about 2.5 millions barrels a day, which is just about what we import from the Middle East now."

Think about that.



Not sure about the factual basis of this statement, but a respectable car mechanic told me about 3 months ago that "the car manufacturers can definitely make their cars get double or even triple the gas mileage through a few simple changes under the hood." Something about catalytic converters, but I don't know shizzen about cars so it was pretty foreign to me.

Buy from Citgo. It's petroleum comes from Venezuela(at least our hemisphere) and in case noone noticed, Hugo Chavez does offer to provide cheap petroleum products to US poor by bypassing the larger companies.



and uses part of the profit that his country makes specifically from oil to boost literacy programs in Venezuela...

<font color="red"> SHOP CITGO...Screw the Mobil-Exxon monopoly.</font>

Simple solution that isn't really effective. More at Saudi Gas (http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp)

Still keeps coming back to using less or finding alternatives.

Less than 5% of CITGO petroleum comes from the Persian Gulf. They still get my money everytime I fill up. However, you are right in that we need to act. Conservation is the single biggest act anyone can perform. Drive less...

They need to make more energy efficient race cars !!!!!!!!

Cars that get excellent gas milage without sacrificing horse power !!!!!

it's all about money even during the Katrina distaster last year when all the refinerys were damaged,in that three month period the worst off oil company profited 3B DOLLARS.
They could lower prices to around $1.75 and still make a good profit,but it's all about being greedy :(

The #1 detriment to a given vehicles' MPGs is braking...which forces one to re-accelerate. Dern traffic lights!

The #1 detriment to a given vehicles' MPGs is braking...which forces one to re-accelerate. Dern traffic lights!



Dern automatic transmissions, and the sissies who drive them. :o

Yes, I also prefer to row my own transmission. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Did you see Exon's year end profits for 2005 ?

36 BILLION !!!!!!!!!! Yes !!!!!! 36 Billion !!!!!!!!!! :mad::eek:

remember, they do not "just" sell gas. They own oil wells and the demand for that oil is high.

Refineries and gas stations are NOT having record profits. Only the companies that actually own the oil wells.

down .02 cents to 2.23 wahooooooo.

Lucky you !!!!! I may have to start riding my sisters Harley !!!!! :o

Got a $995 bill to fill up 70% of my propane tank yesterday. Lots of sticker shock on fuel for heat as well as driving this year. Thanks Dubya.

Has anybody caught the cartoon in this last issue of business week?

It shows an Iranian holding a gun to a gasoline pump priced at $2.19/gal. The Iranian is saying "Nobody make a move or the low price gets it", in the background there is another Iranian tinkering with an atomic bomb.

Since when did $2.19 become a cheap price for gas? It should really get back below $1.50/gallon and $40/barrell. After all, China and India's infrastructure did not just start up overnight. Since when does a country say "hey lets start using up all the oil and steel in the world"?

Pardon me for noticing, Chris, but your home page is listed as http://www.theonion.com/. :)

Has anybody caught the cartoon in this last issue of business week?

It shows an Iranian holding a gun to a gasoline pump priced at $2.19/gal. The Iranian is saying "Nobody make a move or the low price gets it", in the background there is another Iranian tinkering with an atomic bomb.

Since when did $2.19 become a cheap price for gas? It should really get back below $1.50/gallon and $40/barrell. After all, China and India's infrastructure did not just start up overnight. Since when does a country say "hey lets start using up all the oil and steel in the world"?



Hey , doesn't China own Wal-Mart ?

"Infrastructures" don't speak. Attorneys do.

Two days ago I paid a $995 invoice for 70 percent of the volume of my 1870's farmhouse's propane tank.

The real cost of a month and a half of or so of my family's heating bills is ridiculously high. If we were able to apply most of what is confirmed as the best scientific knowledge about energy, we literally could do "twice as much, with half as much." [Thank goodness my family is inside Dubya's force field - due to the fact that recently we make a lot of money per year. (A very good thing.)]

We pay what we do because our tax dollars pay someone else, up front, a lot of money. How much do you think it should cost to heat a family's living space for one winter? $100? $500? $1,000? More? I suspect that a lot of PDGA members are in real financial difficulty this winter.

Terry, try the price of electricity.

My electric bills for my houses this last summer reached $400. AND I had my thermostate set at 78!!!

(You don't even want to know how much it cost to keep my store at 85 in the summer :()

That does it...............I'm writing my Governator !!!!! :mad:

$1.99 here

Has anybody caught the cartoon in this last issue of business week?

It shows an Iranian holding a gun to a gasoline pump priced at $2.19/gal. The Iranian is saying "Nobody make a move or the low price gets it", in the background there is another Iranian tinkering with an atomic bomb.

Since when did $2.19 become a cheap price for gas? It should really get back below $1.50/gallon and $40/barrell. After all, China and India's infrastructure did not just start up overnight. Since when does a country say "hey lets start using up all the oil and steel in the world"?



It actually never should have been that cheap.

Pardon me for noticing, Chris, but your home page is listed as http://www.theonion.com/. :)



Yeah, that is because www.kristopherallen.com (http://www.kristopherallen.com) is currently under construction. Disclaimer, I am in no way shape or form affiliated with www.krisallen.com (http://www.krisallen.com), I am not a fruity cowboy country signer.

Plus, the combination of The Onion and The Daily Show brings me the most unbiased current event news around.

I try to avoid all local news stations here, and don't get me started on the 24hr networks.

Volkswagen Jetta 1.9L Turbo Diesel = 34mpg/44mpg
Long trips >50mpg
Volkswagen Golf 1.9L turbo diesel = 36mpg/46mpg
long trips >>52mpg

VW Touareg SUV - V10 turbo diesel (2007) 20mpg/28mpg

Why does the government hate diesel manufacturers?

Thought I would add this behind the Volkswagon info.

2004 Toyota Prius

45mpg city driving (temperatures above 37degrees)
40mpg city driving (temperatures below 37degrees due to heater use)
52mpg long trips @ 75mph

Has anyone seen this Danish cartoon the muslims are all up tight about ?

HERE (http://www.uriasposten.net/index.php?p=2624)

The question is how many of the protestors have seen the illustrations ?

Like they care................they look for reasons to fight , just like we look for reasons to party and celebrate !!!!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

It's their Goal in life to die for the wrong reasons !!!!! :(

Diesel is also 56 times more carcinogenic than regular unleaded fuel. Which means more lung cancer for every1. :eek:

Willie Nelson was here , promoting his new fuel , Bio-diesel !!!!! He now has a willys truck with 700 horsepower , running on bio-diesel !!!!! :eek:

His asking price is $97,000.

Like they care................they look for reasons to fight , just like we look for reasons to party and celebrate !!!!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

It's their Goal in life to die for the wrong reasons !!!!! :(



Despite Dubya, we are all very lucky to be citizens of a country that is not enslaved to a religious faith.

Despite Dubya, we are all very lucky to be citizens of a country that is not enslaved to a religious faith.



Very true!

Yet a few of us are still repressed and stigmafied because of religous beliefes.

Kris,

Anyone whose home page is The Onion - http://www.theonion.com - is actively engaged in finding a way around all that :)

Thought I would add this behind the Volkswagon info.

2004 Toyota Prius

45mpg city driving (temperatures above 37degrees)
40mpg city driving (temperatures below 37degrees due to heater use)
52mpg long trips @ 75mph



<font color="red">What people don't realize, is the insurance, repair, maintainance, and life endangering crash tests.
</font>
It's not that I'm against hybrids...its' just that they're ahead of the thinking curve. I don't want to spend 3 G's every 30K miles for new batteries or $100/ month for insurance, or sit in a wreck until the electrician can disconnect the power source so the EMT's won't get shocked.
I like the idea of not using oil, but there's got to be another way!?!

Willie Nelson was here , promoting his new fuel , Bio-diesel !!!!! He now has a willys truck with 700 horsepower , running on bio-diesel !!!!! :eek:

His asking price is $97,000.



'I'm all for bio diesel!!!! Hell, I'm all for vegetable oil!

700 horsepower on veggie oil !!!! :eek:

<font color="red">What people don't realize, is the insurance, repair, maintainance, and life endangering crash tests.
</font>
It's not that I'm against hybrids...its' just that they're ahead of the thinking curve. I don't want to spend 3 G's every 30K miles for new batteries or $100/ month for insurance, or sit in a wreck until the electrician can disconnect the power source so the EMT's won't get shocked.
I like the idea of not using oil, but there's got to be another way!?!



I agree that there is the possibility of problems with hybrids in catstrophic accidents. But the only reported problems and concerns I have read are with using the Jaws of Life on a Hybrid.

The Battery is Warranteed for 150k miles. By the time these hybrids reach those kinds of miles, batteries will be a lot cheaper. Also, it is a very basic battery, not much different then the ones in remote controlled cars.

My insurance went down when I purchased my car. Given that it has dual front and side impact airbags is one thing. But if people will stop "needing" their Ford Expeditions, Chevy Tahoes, Cadillac Escalades, Hummers for commuting then the roads will become a lot safer.

I truly see no useful purpose or advantage to owning a SUV. It is a vanity market, tell me something that a SUV can do that a truck or a car cannot do?

As far as repairs go. Almost everything in a hybrid is standard in a regular car with exception to the hybrid system itself. As hybrids become a larger percentage of the automobile market corner mechanic shops will have the knowledge to work on them. Until then, you are forced to take the vehicle to the dealer for any hybrid repair. But did I mention that the hybrid system (as well as the battery) is warranteed for 150k miles?

Please tell me about these "Life endangering crash tests".

My wife's SUV does most of the things that my car and truck do, but do it with one vehicle.

<font color="red">What people don't realize, is the insurance, <font color="blue"> It does not really cost more to insure a hybrid over the same gas car </font>repair, <font color="blue"> Only because you mostly have to take it to the dealer for most work. That will change over time. </font> maintainance, <font color="blue"> Actually it cost less to maintain a hybrid than a full gas auto </font> and life endangering crash tests. <font color="blue"> One of the biggest myths about hybrids. The high votage hybrids use a orange cable that is located on the UNDERSIDE of the car (passanger side too). Also, most hybrids have NO high votage wires from front to back. ALSO, most hybrid cars have NO power when the car is not moving, they have auto shut off swiches when the car is stopped or when there has been a crash. </font>
</font>
It's not that I'm against hybrids...its' just that they're ahead of the thinking curve. I don't want to spend 3 G's every 30K miles for new batteries <font color="blue"> Toyota has yet to get a battery back and they WARRENTY it of 100K miles. They have been making the prius sense 2000. ALSO, the only time you have to replace the battery is if it was damaged in an accident. The batteries are made to last as long as the car itself. </font> or $100/ month for insurance <font color="blue"> First I have seen anything about this, it is true that a hybrid cost about $3k-$6K more than is gas counterpart, so in that case, insurance would be slightly higher. (not enough to matter) </font> , or sit in a wreck until the electrician can disconnect the power source so the EMT's won't get shocked. <font color="blue"> so far in 6 years that hybrids have been available, this has YET to happen. It really take a HUGE crash to even need to cut into a car. The High voltage wire on a few hybrid card that need them are bright orange so EMT's know about them. They are also located on the underside of the car below the passanger seat. </font>
I like the idea of not using oil, but there's got to be another way!?!



I am in favor of the hybrid cars, you just have to see if they are what you need. Several of the new cars comming out as hybrids only save you about 10% on your gas milage. It would take a lot of stop and go traffic for them to pay for themselves.

But if you do mostly city (stop and go) traffic, they may be the best suit for you. Being in the pizza delivery business, I am looking at getting one in the next few years. (waiting for the prices to drop and pay off my SUV)

What do these hybrids weigh? I'm guessing they're heavier (than their gas-only counterparts) which may make them a 'tad' safer in a collision...

The engine's are smaller, but the batteries are a little heavier. I have not read anything other than in crash tests the Hybrids did the same as there gas counterpart.

One thing I did read recently, Battery techology keeps getting better, they weight of the batteries is getting smaller and smaller each year. (and cheaper)

What do these hybrids weigh? I'm guessing they're heavier (than their gas-only counterparts) which may make them a 'tad' safer in a collision...



I believe my car (2004 Prius) has a curb weight of just over 3k. It is a mid-sized sedan by technical measurements so it is not a compact.

The engine itself is the standard small block Toyota 1.8L 4cyl.

The battery pack is about 30 inches long, by 12 inches wide and about 2-3 inches tall. It weighs approximately 100lbs. and is located just behind/under the rear seat to act as a counter balance for the engine/motor combination.

The engine itself is the standard small block Toyota 1.8L 4cyl.

The battery pack is about 30 inches long, by 12 inches wide and about 2-3 inches tall. It weighs approximately 100lbs. and is located just behind/under the rear seat to act as a counter balance for the engine/motor combination.


Wow, am I outta the loop... as I would have guessed that a smaller non-standard engine would be used...as well as the battery being much larger and heavier than that. Impressive!

Yeah I would compare my accleration rate to that of a factory 4cyl Honda V-tech.

While going down the interstate at 75mph, if I need to pass somebody and if I am not careful, I am up to 90 in a blink of an eye. I did find out the Prius has an electronic governor set at 105mph, it just stopped accelrating at that point. The ride was a frightening smooth as glass feel at that speed. They stripped one down and turned off the governor and got the '04 Prius up to 135mph on the Salt Flats! :D

electric motors on the back wheels and gas front wheel drive right?

From what I have read, when slowing down, the electric motors switch from power user to power generator.

Personally, I vote for more cars like the Honda Insite. Mostly electric car with a gas for generating more electricity. (at least that is what I believe it does)

If our A/C is on it is always running off Gas, is this right?

Actually both of you are wrong.

The electric motor and gasoline engine are side-by-side connected to the axle with via a CVT.

The Prius recharges in two ways.
1) Regenerative brakeing. Using sensors, it converts the heat from the brakes, when applied, into electricity.
2) The motor can be turned using other sources of power to regenerate electricity. This can be done via the gasoline engine, or by the wheels when coasting.

As far as the A/C, it is ran off of electricity. So the A/C does not affect gas milage. However, the heating element is based off of engine coolant temperature like a conventional car. So the engine runs heating up the coolant during the winter to heat the car. This causes abnormally lower gas mileage in temperatures under 37 degrees, (there is a warning light on the dashboard for this). The reduction in gas mileage is around 10-12%. It makes me wonder why Toyota did not install electric coils as heating elements.

There is no Honda currently avaiable as a pure hybrid. The Insight, Civic, and Accord hybrid are electric assist vehicles. Basically the difference is that a pure hybrid can be propelled without the use of the gasoline engine, the Prius, Highlander, and soon Camry, along with the Ford Escape are pure hybrids. All Honda vehicles must be propelled via the gasoline engine. The electric motor mearly assists the gas engine to raise effiecency.

What do you call a vehicle where the gas engine doesn't turn the wheels at all ?
Toyota Volta (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=car.php&carnum=1958)

What do you call a vehicle where the gas engine doesn't turn the wheels at all ?
Toyota Volta (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=car.php&carnum=1958)



They call it a hybrid....

But I want one! :eek: :D

What do you call a vehicle where the gas engine doesn't turn the wheels at all ?
Toyota Volta (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=car.php&amp;carnum=1958)



I have hi res pics of this car from NAIAS in detroit that I can post. if there is intrest.....

Yeah I would compare my accleration rate to that of a factory 4cyl Honda V-tech.

While going down the interstate at 75mph, if I need to pass somebody and if I am not careful, I am up to 90 in a blink of an eye. I did find out the Prius has an electronic governor set at 105mph, it just stopped accelrating at that point. The ride was a frightening smooth as glass feel at that speed. They stripped one down and turned off the governor and got the '04 Prius up to 135mph on the Salt Flats! :D



Geez. I am impressed. My Suburban cuts out at 95 mph.

Here are a couple of nuances to the vehicle debate:

(a) Since I got my Suburban almost 6 years ago, I have several times averaged out the number of Person Miles Per Gallon (PMPG) for a month or two at a time. I've averaged pretty close to 50 PMPGs, due to the number of people onboard, especially for long trips. So that beats out two single people driving their 25 MPG cars around for the same number of miles. (Behavior can overcome design.)

(b) I also pay a "carbon tax" on my Suburban's emissions, I think it's $37/yr: http://www.driveneutral.org/. It might be something others are interested in.

That said, try to suspend your disbelief and imagine this:

A world in which US cars averaged only 40 mpg would eliminate our need for oil from the Middle East. Imagine what would become of the Middle East without the dollars we pay for oil.

Why doesn't Dubya push for a tax to make gasoline cost $5/gallon, which would create a fleet of 40 mpg/average in 3-4 years? If we didn't need the oil, maybe they would understand what a cartoon is.

(a) Since I got my Suburban almost 6 years ago, I have several times averaged out the number of Person Miles Per Gallon (PMPG) for a month or two at a time. I've averaged pretty close to 50 PMPGs, due to the number of people onboard, especially for long trips. So that beats out two single people driving their 25 MPG cars around for the same number of miles. (Behavior can overcome design.)



Hmm..I can carry four people and thier gear in my Sentra 34PG. The added weight would reduce MPG. I wouldn't mind putting a wager against a Suburban. I mean you don't carpool everyday do you. Your aren't really as Green as you want to lead people to believe. Gas prices going to $5 dollars would not in any way cause the U.S. to use less oil. We need to drill more in Alaska. But the tree huggers won't let us.

$1.99 for unleaded reg here in Lawrence, KS!

Yeah but doesn't the corn belt sell 85 octane?

We just hit $2.11, at leats untill we do something else to tick off Iran.

E85 is the ticket, 105 oct and burns cleaner and cooler and is made from corn so it is renewable. From a performance stand point it kicks tail in my mid 12 sec WRX STI.

Cheap to make and refined in the us. This will create jobs in refineries which we have not built any new gas refineries since the 70's, the government will be able to stop subsidizing corn, and farms will become very profitable again.

Gas milage will go down a bit but at 20-30 cents less than 87 oct now who cares.......

100% home grown and made and shipped right here in the good ole USA!

What you need then is a hybrid that burns E85.

The electric motor will add back the efficiency, and also add power due to the lower octane rating.

There is an Ethonal plant near my parents house in Northern Indiana, I imagine the smell from refining it will be similar. The smell of wet hot corn, yummy.

Nope, good ol' 87 octane.

How long are we going to keep saying unleaded, anyway? I bet there's folks here that don't remember leaded gasoline...!

They also don't remember 25 cents a gallon or driving back and forth to school all week on $5 of gas.

They also don't remember 25 cents a gallon or driving back and forth to school all week on $5 of gas.



I at least remember lasting 2 weeks on $5 of gas. When I started driving gas was only $0.69/gallon in my town, and I drove a Honda CRX HF version. That bad boy got over 40mpg! Of course it only went 80mph and had an acceration rate of a turtle.

They also don't remember 25 cents a gallon or driving back and forth to school all week on $5 of gas.


Geez Gary, you're old! I only remember 29 cents/gallon! :D

I wasn't driving then, but I was buying gas for the lawn mower.

down to $2.11 here in Tarboro, NC

$2.09 (2.06 at Kroger with card) in Carrollton

When I started driving (delivering Pizzas too) I remember paying as much as $1.50 per gal in the early 80's. Minimum wage was $3.35 so you had to work 30 min just to pay for a gal of gas.

Right now the national average fore gas is $2.23 and the federal minimum wage is $5.15, so we are still better off now than 20 years ago??

the cheapest I ever remember paying for gas is $.59. That would have been in the 80's also.

I was not able to drive in the 80's...to young.....LOL

WhoooHooooooooo !!!!!!! found gas today in San Diego at $ 2.59 ...............

Like they care................they look for reasons to fight , just like we look for reasons to party and celebrate !!!!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

It's their Goal in life to die for the wrong reasons !!!!! :(



Despite Dubya, we are all very lucky to be citizens of a country that is not enslaved to a religious faith.

Just don't say it is a perversion of their religion to do so. http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=20&artnum=3&issue=20060327

Like they care................they look for reasons to fight , just like we look for reasons to party and celebrate !!!!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

It's their Goal in life to die for the wrong reasons !!!!! :(



Despite Dubya, we are all very lucky to be citizens of a country that is not enslaved to a religious faith.

Just don't say it is a perversion of their religion to do so. http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=20&artnum=3&issue=20060327



Well.................prices have gone up $0.14 per gallon this last week.
Premium at some stations , here in San Diego , is $ 3.03 a gallon !!!!! :eek:

The National average just broke $2.50 today. They (whomever they are) are predicting it to cap out around $3.00 this summer.

It seems they are going to quit using BT/? (what ever it is) a fuel additive that in poisoninig ground water. The Government is not going to pass a bill to protect the gas makers, so they are just going to quit using it and replacing it with Ethinal. But that would increase the use of Ethenal to amost 50% more then capacity. (Ethenal prices jumped up 50 cents per gallon this week to $2.75)

The National average just broke $2.50 today. They (whomever they are) are predicting it to cap out around $3.00 this summer.



They are investors. People who speculate and basically gamble (invest in oil futures). Essentially the only people making money off of the price of oil. They would love to see gasoline over $5.

Get Oil off of Wall Street!

That $3 estimate is probably going to be low. Look for $4 at some point this summer.

Michigan must lead the trends in national gas prices:
We've been at $2.50-$2.69 all winter and just jumped up to $2.73 yesterday....good thing i get great fuel economy with my 2006 VW jetta Representing Duetchland, y'all

I just watched the new South Park last night, and apparently people like me are contributing to the overwhelming SMUG problems...... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

"Let's all go buy wasteful gas guzzlers, YEAH!"

ft. smith ar 2.49.

Birmingham, AL 2.39-2.49 depending on when you blink your eyes.

Today , in San Diego , one mile from my house.
Premium gas : $ 3.10 a gallon !!!!! :eek:

SMUG :D That was funny, I downloaded it last night.

I filled up my tank today for $2.39 with my Krogers card.

I used Gasbuddy.com to find the cheapest gas in my area and only drove 2 extra miles to get gas. (I saved 12 cents per gallon or $1.73 per my tank by doing this over the cheapest directly on the path on my way home)

WOW !!!!!!!!!!! Today , in San Diego , one mile from my house.
Premium gas : $ 3.21 a gallon !!!!!
:eek:

What is the explanation for the 25% increase in gasoline prices over the last month? If this keeps up, we will be paying almost $10/gallon by Winter.

I am doing what I can to reduce dependence on gasoline. Are you?

I filled up my tank today for $2.39 with my Krogers card.



Wow, that was 10 days ago, cheapest price I can find right now is $2.69. 30 cents in 10 days. By summer time that would put gas at $5.09 per gallon

Tarboro, NC has gone from 2.59 to 2.81 in less than 3 weeks.

OK ..................might be time to get a motorcycle.

Gas prices today , Just seen here in San Diego................................$ 3.43 a gallon for premium. :mad:

****, I figured $4 a gallon would be hit this summer, I didn't think it would be by Memorial day.

one analyst report referred to in a recent article by william buckley (who regardless of what you think about his side of the fence is certainly a straight-up guy) states that just one tanker sunk or knocked out of service in the gulf (think isreal v. iran here) would take oil to $100 virtually overnight.

worse case scenario (mine anyway): big hurricane season again takes out gulf of mexico rigs, processing facilities and a major city or two + civil war in iraq + isreal v. iran + isreal v. hamas = you'll be real lucky to stay under $5 in 2006.

Sandalman, if your worst case scenaio unfolds we'll be worried about ration cards instead of price.

hmmm... lets work up some odds...

hurricanes seriously disrupt GoM production and refineries again... 75%
iraq descends into civil war... 33%
isreal punches iran... 40%
isreal punches hamas... 60%

thats yields a 5.9% chance, so its roughly 20:1 that rationing cards are in our immedaite future. dang, that might be long odds for a horse race, but scary odds for this topic!

They ( the oil nazie's) can say whay ever they want to as to why the price of gas is so high right now,but we all know it's just plain and simple GREED :mad:
Whats even worse is our government is not going to do anything about it,oh they'll wait for the price to top out at about $4.00 and then they'll say we're going to start a probe.
I say " PROBE THIS " :o
Los Angeles, Ca. is at $ 3.10 a gallon ( average ) for the cheap stuff, the corner station by my house is $ 3.45 for the cheap stuff :eek:

OK ..................might be time to get a motorcycle.

Gas prices today , Just seen here in San Diego................................$ 3.43 a gallon for premium. :mad:



Premium is a waste of money unless your owner's manual says you need higher octane gas.

one analyst report referred to in a recent article by william buckley (who regardless of what you think about his side of the fence is certainly a straight-up guy) states that just one tanker sunk or knocked out of service in the gulf (think isreal v. iran here) would take oil to $100 virtually overnight.

worse case scenario (mine anyway): big hurricane season again takes out gulf of mexico rigs, processing facilities and a major city or two + civil war in iraq + isreal v. iran + isreal v. hamas = you'll be real lucky to stay under $5 in 2006.



This is why oil should not be traded on the stock market. F those guys getting rich on a necessity item.

My hybrid is almost getting too expensive to drive. I cringe every time I pass a gas station because gas is $0.05 higher then it was the day before.

This is absolute BS, and with Bush invading Iran now, and oil traders fearing they will lose more money they will jump oil prices well over $100 a barrell. During the Katrina disaster, I heard an analyst say that in order to hit $3/gallon for gas oil will have to be $100 a gallon. At $70/barrel, the price should be in the low $2's.

Time to buy a bicycle. :mad:

I want to move to Toronto!

They should make it illegal to drive vehicles that get under 20mpg without commerical purpose.

Soccer moms do not need to drive a Ford Expedition to pick up Timmy from day care in a metropolitan area.

Tax people with SUV's, and put that money into research for alternative fuels.